From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 29 18:59:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:11:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:10:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in2.uu.net!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!gw2.att.com!oucsboss!piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu!undetermined From: "Richard D. Piccard" Subject: Re: C-KERMIT with ALL-IN-1 on ALPHA AXP X-Nntp-Posting-Host: piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Sender: postmaster@piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Fri Sep 29 14:59:02 1995 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Computer Services - Ohio University References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:59:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:DFoJKo.F2@boss.cs.ohiou.edu Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wrote: > >We are attempting to use C-KERMIT through ALL-IN-1 V3.1 on ALPHA AXP >(VMS is 6.2). This is (190) and we tried the approach specified in >the CKVKER.BWR file, attributed to Dr. David Kelly. I suspect that >based on a VAX version of ALL-IN-1. I also tried to E-mail directly to Dr. Kelly, but the E-mail address given in the file is no longer usable. ================================================================== Dick Piccard Academic Technology Manager Computer Services piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Ohio University From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 30 01:11:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 02:31:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 02:31:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!usenet From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Have rz v1.21 and sz v1.31 - Where can I find newer ones? Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:11:23 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Charlotte, NC - info@char.vnet.net Lines: 9 Message-Id: <44i5fg$1k4@ralph.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: catfish.vnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using version 1.21 of rz and 1.31 of sz with Kermit 190. Where can I find later versions that will still work with Kermit? Thanks MAB --------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom | Hot Doughnuts Now! mbaucom@vnet.net | -- Krispy Kreme From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 10:23:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:29:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:29:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Date: 25 Sep 1995 10:23:08 GMT Organization: Pacific Internet, Singapore Lines: 44 Message-Id: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Our environment: a) Netware 4.1, Lanworkgroup, Windows b) Before running Windows, we run WGTCPIP & TELAPI In the DOS environment, we do not load WGTCPIP & TELAPI. Kermit talks to our Vax and Dec Alpha via TCP/IP protocols - works like a charm. In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. I read the docs, and the FAQ (section 22 I think). I did the definition of PORT etc, but no luck, I now get PORT as an error message. Our MSKERMIT.INI is called from WIN-ALPHA.INI In the MSKERMIT.INI file, we have: Define PORT - {following the FAQ} PORT 1 SET SPEED 9600 etc Even when I put the definition of PORT after PORT 1, I still get the warning about an undefined port. Any ideas? Thanks Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 2 19:46:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:56:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:56:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!stsci!usenet From: Gary Gladney Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Who do I contact about getting a Site License Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:46:06 GMT Organization: Space Telescope Science Inst. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; OSF1 V3.0 alpha) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site license for Kermit (Windows 95) product. I saw a news posting sometime ago but I did not write down the information. thanks gary gladney gladney@stsci.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 13:01:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:03:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:01:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Who do I contact about getting a Site License Date: 3 Oct 1995 13:01:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <44rc6p$3t4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney wrote: >Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site >license for Kermit (Windows 95) product. I saw a news posting sometime ago >but I did not write down the information. > Site licensing information is in the Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/95.html The email address for the Kermit project is kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 2 20:03:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:24:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:24:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!usc!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csulb.edu!drivel.ics.uci.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!news.claremont.edu!usenet From: Jose Kirkland Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: If..then in mscustom.ini? Date: 2 Oct 1995 20:03:18 GMT Organization: Pitzer College Lines: 23 Message-Id: <44pgi6$por@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kafka.pitzer.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to place an if-then in the mscustom.ini, which would check a dos environmental variable, for ex, and perform a specific group of functions or not based upon that? (purpose is mixed lanwp/non-lanwp env, want it to see if c:\net\bin dir exists on machine, if so connect one way, if not then normally... does this make sense?) Thanks for any help, Josefa Kirkland Novell/PC spec Pitzer College ps-- alternatively, can kermit be told upon execution to use a specific .ini file... ie can I make separate .ini's for each environment and let the batch which runs kermit determine which to select? From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 20:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:39:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:39:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: If..then in mscustom.ini? Date: 3 Oct 1995 16:39:26 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <44s71u$rpu@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44pgi6$por@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <44pgi6$por@jaws.cs.hmc.edu>, Jose Kirkland wrote: : Is it possible to place an if-then in the mscustom.ini, : which would check a dos environmental variable, for ex, and : perform a specific group of functions or not based upon : that? : Yes. For example: if equal "\$(VARIABLENAME)" "blah" command... : (purpose is mixed lanwp/non-lanwp env, want it to see if : c:\net\bin dir exists on machine, if so connect one way, if : not then normally... does this make sense?) : if directory c:\net\bin command... : ps-- alternatively, can kermit be told upon execution to : use a specific .ini file... ie can I make separate .ini's : for each environment and let the batch which runs kermit : determine which to select? : kermit -f name-of-init-file or alternatively, within MSCUSTOM.INI, put IF's and GOTO's based on the value of an environment variable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 22:19:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:06:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:06:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!intex.net!news From: fuzz@intex.dfw.net (Walt Buehring) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 and Emacs meta key Date: 03 Oct 1995 17:19:52 -0500 Organization: Home on the Range Lines: 10 Sender: fuzz@intex.dfw.net Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: intex.intex.net X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am considering the purchase of Kermit95 iff it is capable of treating the PC's Alt key as a "meta" key (set the eight bit) for Emacs. That is, in the kermit window "Alt-a" sends 0xE1 down the line, "Ctl-Alt-a" sends "0x81", and so forth. And of course no Alt-key would invoke menubar mnemonics. The kermit web pages do not provide an answer - does anyone here know if this is possible? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 4 02:53:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 23:14:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 23:14:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: murphy@panix.com (Roy Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Won't Work for User Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:53:55 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 24 Message-Id: <44st03$l79@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have an unusual problem with Kermit on Linux. I recently moved my Linux installation to another hard drive. I used tar to do the copying to maintain the file permissions and links. Obviously I have messed something up becuase Kermit will not work for any users. (It will work under the root ID). I have checked that kermit is installed guid uucp and /usr/spool/uucp is writable by group uucp. I even sued to uucp to check that uucp can write the lock file. The error messages are as follows: /home/roy$ kermit Error opening /dev/tty congm: Permission denied /usr/spool/uucp: permission denied Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/cua1 ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first C-Kermit 5a(188), 23 Nov 92, POSIX TIA for any assistance. -- Roy Murphy \ "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence murphy@panix.com \ over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled" \ R.P. Feynman From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 14:06:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 03:06:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 03:06:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!mother.usf.edu!sunbeam!faas From: "Jochen Faas (CS)" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: source code for DOS based kermit Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:06:36 -0400 Organization: University of South Florida Lines: 4 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: sunbeam.eng.usf.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: faas@sunbeam Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for the source code for DOS based kermit, any version. Any help would be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 2 19:46:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 05:52:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 05:52:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!stsci!usenet From: Gary Gladney Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Who do I contact about getting a Site License Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:46:06 GMT Organization: Space Telescope Science Inst. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; OSF1 V3.0 alpha) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site license for Kermit (Windows 95) product. I saw a news posting sometime ago but I did not write down the information. thanks gary gladney gladney@stsci.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 13:22:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:22:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:22:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Who do I contact about getting a Site License Date: 4 Oct 1995 13:22:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <44u1qs$fdq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney wrote: >Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site >license for Kermit (Windows 95) product. I saw a news posting sometime ago >but I did not write down the information. > The information is available on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html or you can send email to: kermit@columbia.edu - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 13:23:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:24:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:24:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 and Emacs meta key Date: 4 Oct 1995 13:23:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <44u1tc$fes@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Walt Buehring wrote: : I am considering the purchase of Kermit95 iff it is capable of : treating the PC's Alt key as a "meta" key (set the eight bit) for : Emacs. That is, in the kermit window "Alt-a" sends 0xE1 down the : line, "Ctl-Alt-a" sends "0x81", and so forth. And of course no : Alt-key would invoke menubar mnemonics. : Kermit 95 comes with an EMACS.INI file that sets up all of the Meta and Ctrl-Meta functions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 13:32:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:32:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16109 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:32:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Won't Work for User Date: 4 Oct 1995 13:32:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <44u2dk$fn9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44st03$l79@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44st03$l79@panix2.panix.com>, Roy Murphy wrote: : I have an unusual problem with Kermit on Linux. I recently moved my : Linux installation to another hard drive. I used tar to do the copying : to maintain the file permissions and links. Obviously I have messed : something up becuase Kermit will not work for any users. (It will work : under the root ID). I have checked that kermit is installed guid uucp : and /usr/spool/uucp is writable by group uucp. I even sued to uucp to : check that uucp can write the lock file. : : The error messages are as follows: : : /home/roy$ kermit : Error opening /dev/tty : congm: Permission denied : Here you have to make sure /dev/tty is readable/writeable. : /usr/spool/uucp: permission denied : Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/cua1 : ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first : C-Kermit 5a(188), 23 Nov 92, POSIX : The current release of C-Kermit is 5A(190). It includes a lot of Linux-specific material that is not in 5A(188). I'd suggest you obtain it and start over. You can use the standard, portable installation method ("make linux" and then copy the various files to the desired places) or you can also try the Debian Linux installation. You can find the Debian Linux C-Kermit package in kermit/linux on kermit.columbia.edu. If you still have problems with the current release, send email about it to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 2 21:51:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:05:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:05:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!toucan!bjorn From: Bjorn Eng Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:51:43 -0700 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 24 Message-Id: Reply-To: Bjorn.T.Eng@jpl.nasa.gov Nntp-Posting-Host: toucan.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: bjorn@toucan Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3743 comp.dcom.modems:111893 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor (Solaris getty-like process). Looking through the '.bwr' files I saw this problem mentioned with a fix that didn't appeal to me too much. The fix involves killing off the port monitor and starting a new one every time you run Kermit. Aliasing kermit to a script that runs setuid root to reset the port... Does anyone have a fix for whatever Kermit is doing to the port monitor? The symptom is this: After completing a dial-out call with kermit the port monitor will not respond to incoming calls. The modem will still answer but the port monitor will not prompt for a login. This does not happen when you use tip for dialout. But tip is a little too hard core for some of our users :-) so I'm hoping for a kermit solution... Thanks, Bjorn Eng Jet Propulsion Laboratory From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 17:24:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:24:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:24:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 4 Oct 1995 17:24:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3744 comp.dcom.modems:111894 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bjorn Eng wrote: : I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. : It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor : (Solaris getty-like process). Looking through the '.bwr' files I saw : this problem mentioned with a fix that didn't appeal to me too much. The : fix involves killing off the port monitor and starting a new one every : time you run Kermit. Aliasing kermit to a script that runs setuid root to : reset the port... : : Does anyone have a fix for whatever Kermit is doing to the port : monitor? : Kermit isn't doing anything to the port monitor. Kermit is using the same technique that it has used successfully for over a decade to access dialout devices on more than 400 different UNIX platforms. If Sun changes the rules and requires some proprietary scheme for obtaining indulgences from their "Port Monitor", then we'll be glad to include the code for this if it is not proprietary and need not be licensed and can be redistributed and somebody tells us what it is. : This does not happen when you use tip for dialout. : Of course it doesn't -- Solaris Tip is specially coded by Sun for Solaris, and you don't get source code to see how they handle the port monitor. Kermit is coded to be portable. It's not easy being portable, especially now that every company has its own unique "open standard" for doing each thing :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 18:20:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:57:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:57:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!netnews.wku.edu!netnews.wku.edu!mayhew Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Oct3.232036.1@netnews.wku.edu> From: mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu Date: 3 Oct 95 23:20:36 CDT References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Nntp-Posting-Host: wkuvx1 Nntp-Posting-User: mayhew Lines: 90 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: >> In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection >> works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message >> >> ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. >> [. . .] > port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the > port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no expert > on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if yours is slightly > tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit is a good suggestion. > Joe D. In one sense the following info doesn't help at all; in another sense it may be some help to know this is a hard-to-track-down-problem that exists in very simple/standard setups. I routinely run Kermit on port 2 in one of several DOS VM's under Windows 3.1. I've seen the "unknown hardware" msg sporadically and unrepeatably, most recently about 60 seconds ago. All my attempts to track this down have failed. Kermit is the only comm software I run. The dos mouse driver is always loaded before windows and is configured for COM1. When so configured, it does not touch COM2 (I tested this using a protected-mode utility which protects the i/o port addresses and watches for attempts to access them). I've seen the problem with two different I/O boards, everything standard about them, standard irq's, standard port addresses, except that my current card has 2 16550's instead of 2 8250's. There's nothing "tangled" about my serial port set up. The .ini entries are just as they came off the windows installation disks. My resolution of the problem is always the same--I exit Kermit and reinvoke it. Problem is always gone, and I may not see it again for days. No TCP/IP drivers or network drivers of any sort are loaded. This is a straight serial port to modem connection on my standard, clone home machine. The only memory-resident software loaded is standard DOS/WINDOWS stuff: HIMEM, EMM386, etc. My latest example of this symptom is typical in its nonrepeatability: I turned on the machine, intended to use Kermit for a couple of minutes, and did so from DOS without bothering with windows. I was then online longer than expected and decided to exit Kermit, start windows, then reinvoke Kermit (I can always do this without losing my connection). I'd just read msgs in this news group. I exited Kermit, started Windows, created 3 dos vm's, entered the first created and invoked Kermit. I got the unknown-hardware error. I exited Kermit, but not the DOS VM, reinvoked kermit, and everything was back to normal--I was still on line. I can hear some readers thinking "Aha! I know what happened to him." Yes, if this sort of thing routinely produced the error I could guess what's causing the error, too. But my point is that I don't ordinarily get the error in that situation. (And, I sometimes get it when I've invoked Kermit only under windows, not from straight dos.) To test whether I could repeat the error tonight, I did this: I logged off the remote system, turned off my system, and repeated the earlier series of events. This time the error did not appear. (FWIW: I have enough physical RAM that I don't need virtual memory; so the problem isn't being caused by some specific sequence of page faults that may vary when the user thinks nothing has changed.) This has been my consistent experience with this problem over a period of a couple of years. I simply cannot repeat the error reliabily, and I've had lots of experience tracking down bugs. I've seen this same thing on systems at work, where the environment is more complex than on my home machine (network connections are involved at work). None of this puts the fault at Kermit's feet. I suspect there's something flaky going on with Windows. Kermit is the best thing I've run under Windows. I especially like it's ability to do fast background transfers while I'm working in other DOS VM's. Kermit is very well designed software. Regards, Larry Mayhew mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 19:19:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:49:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:49:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 4 Oct 1995 15:19:24 -0400 Organization: panix Lines: 19 Message-Id: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-kermit version 5A on a Sparc 10/50 running SunOS4.1.3. In using autodialing, I want to change the init string. In .kermrc file, I add: "set dial init-string atq0m1". When I do "dial system", "atq0m1" is echoed, followed shortly after on same line by "No response from modem". Without specifying init string, kermit's default init string is issued and modem responds "OK". When uploading or downloading, kermit displays "."'s as it's transferring data. Is there anyway to interpret these as the percentage or amount of data being transferred, or better yet an actual display of these values? -- __________________________________________________________________ | | | Name: Kurt Rosenhagen Email: kjr@panix.com | |__________________________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 22:06:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:32:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:32:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.itg.ti.com!usenet From: rusty%@columbia.edu (Rusty Haddock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 'set key' in CKermit:OS/2 Date: 4 Oct 1995 22:06:49 GMT Organization: 1/entropy Lines: 45 Distribution: world Message-Id: <44v0hp$djq@dsk92.itg.ti.com> Reply-To: rusty@ti.com (Rusty Haddock) Nntp-Posting-Host: iefm770.itg.ti.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maybe I've missed something but there appears to be a "misfeature" about the way the keycode in the 'set key' command is parsed in CKermit 5A(191) for at least the OS/2 version. Under OS/2 I wanted to use the Shift-PageUp and Shift-PageDn keys for scrolling through the screen buffer. Normally, I use the PageUp and PageDn keys but they're assigned in the "Emacskey.ini" file, thusly I went with the Shifted keys. To get the keycodes I did: show key Press key: [Press ] Key code \841 => Undefined So I tried: set key \841 Bang! As soon as I hit the after the \841 CKermit comes back and says ?Invalid: set key \841 Errr??? It just gave me that keycode. Hmmm... at first I thought, Oh, that's s'pose to be octal but on second thought realized that this was Kermit and that number was really decimal. Luckily there is a work around! Convert the keycode to Hex and the command is accepted. hex(841) --> 0x349, so: set key \x349 \Kupscn Same thing goes for the Shift-PageDown keycode (\849). Converting it to hex \x351 also works while the \849 doesn't. While I'm in here I may as well ask for at least a quick explanation and listing of the available \K functions (like \Kupscn) in the "Using C-Kermit" book in the next edition. Please? Thanks for reading. -Rusty- -- Rusty Haddock, KD4WLZ MSGID: MWH2 ___ Texas Instruments Internet: rusty@ti.com |\/ o\ O POB 869305 MS 8515 Phone: (214) 575-6838 | ( -< o O Plano, Texas 75086 Fax: (214) 575-4351 |/\_V_/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 02:02:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:49:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:49:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.charm.net!petej.charm.net!user From: petej@clickvision.com (Peter M. Jansson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TCP for Mac Kermit? Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 21:02:40 -0500 Organization: Click Interactive Visions, LLC. Lines: 4 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: petej.charm.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are there plans to add TCP connectivity to the Mac Kermit implementation? Thanks, Pete. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 02:03:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:03:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:03:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 'set key' in CKermit:OS/2 Date: 5 Oct 1995 02:03:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <44vecu$nq3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44v0hp$djq@dsk92.itg.ti.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44v0hp$djq@dsk92.itg.ti.com>, Rusty Haddock wrote: > ?Invalid: set key \841 Clearly this is a bug, I'm not sure it is in the current build on kermit.columbia.edu. But in the version you have it is a bug. >While I'm in here I may as well ask for at least a quick explanation >and listing of the available \K functions (like \Kupscn) in the "Using >C-Kermit" book in the next edition. Please? Thanks for reading. \Kupscn and \Kdnscn are used to manipulate the scrollback buffers. See CKERMIT.INF. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 01:31:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 04:53:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 04:53:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Oct4.073111.62716@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Oct 95 07:31:11 MDT References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct3.232036.1@netnews.wku.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 112 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct3.232036.1@netnews.wku.edu>, mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu writes: > In article <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: > >>> In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection >>> works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message >>> >>> ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. >>> > > [. . .] >> port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the >> port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no expert >> on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if yours is slightly >> tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit is a good suggestion. >> Joe D. > > In one sense the following info doesn't help at all; in another sense it > may be some help to know this is a hard-to-track-down-problem that > exists in very simple/standard setups. > > I routinely run Kermit on port 2 in one of several DOS VM's > under Windows 3.1. I've seen the "unknown hardware" msg sporadically > and unrepeatably, most recently about 60 seconds ago. All my attempts > to track this down have failed. Kermit is the only comm software I > run. The dos mouse driver is always loaded before windows and is > configured for COM1. When so configured, it does not touch > COM2 (I tested this using a protected-mode utility which protects > the i/o port addresses and watches for attempts to access them). > > I've seen the problem with two different I/O boards, everything standard > about them, standard irq's, standard port addresses, except that my > current card has 2 16550's instead of 2 8250's. > > There's nothing "tangled" about my serial port set up. The .ini > entries are just as they came off the windows installation disks. > > My resolution of the problem is always the same--I exit Kermit and > reinvoke it. Problem is always gone, and I may not see it again > for days. > > No TCP/IP drivers or network drivers of any sort are loaded. This > is a straight serial port to modem connection on my standard, clone > home machine. > > The only memory-resident software loaded is standard DOS/WINDOWS > stuff: HIMEM, EMM386, etc. > > My latest example of this symptom is typical in its nonrepeatability: > > I turned on the machine, intended to use Kermit for a couple of minutes, > and did so from DOS without bothering with windows. I was then online > longer than expected and decided to exit Kermit, start windows, then > reinvoke Kermit (I can always do this without losing my connection). > > I'd just read msgs in this news group. I exited Kermit, started Windows, > created 3 dos vm's, entered the first created and invoked Kermit. > I got the unknown-hardware error. I exited Kermit, but not the DOS VM, > reinvoked kermit, and everything was back to normal--I was still on line. > > I can hear some readers thinking "Aha! I know what happened to him." > Yes, if this sort of thing routinely produced the error I could > guess what's causing the error, too. But my point is that I don't > ordinarily get the error in that situation. (And, I sometimes get > it when I've invoked Kermit only under windows, not from straight dos.) > > > To test whether I could repeat the error tonight, I did this: > I logged off the remote system, turned off my system, and repeated > the earlier series of events. This time the error did not appear. > (FWIW: I have enough physical RAM that I don't need virtual memory; > so the problem isn't being caused by some specific sequence of page > faults that may vary when the user thinks nothing has changed.) > > This has been my consistent experience with this problem over a period > of a couple of years. I simply cannot repeat the error reliabily, > and I've had lots of experience tracking down bugs. > > I've seen this same thing on systems at work, where the environment > is more complex than on my home machine (network connections are > involved at work). > > None of this puts the fault at Kermit's feet. I suspect there's > something flaky going on with Windows. Kermit is the best thing > I've run under Windows. I especially like it's ability to do fast > background transfers while I'm working in other DOS VM's. > Kermit is very well designed software. > > Regards, > Larry Mayhew > mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu ---------- There is another item in this discussion which can cause the effect. Your mouse is on COM1. If the Kermit startup script(s) has(ve) a command which causes a serial port to be opened for inspection, such as SET SPEED or similar, then it could well be the default port at that time is COM1 rather than the port you will use later. Moving the mouse to COM2 may be an easy permanent cure for use with Kermit and other programs, else edit the script(s) to set the desired serial port before other commands get a chance to probe the port. And yet more. Windows itself. Kermit looks at the status bits of the presumed UART to see if they are rational for a UART. If Windows has those messed up then we get the message. If Windows provides an incorrect port address, the \03f8 thing, then clearly matters will fail too. There is a final test for interrupts, the IRQ value, and it's there that matters are sticky. If Windows messes up simple interrupt handling for the serial port MSK will declare the port invalid. Handing of the interrupt controller chip by Windows (it is simulated to apps such as Kermit) has improved over time in Windows so an older driver might produce flakey results. That's the device=*vpicd line in system.ini, file windows\system\vpicda.386. Enough grasping at straws this morning. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 16:26:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:43:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:43:23 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!nih-csl!newssrv.dcrt.nih.gov!rick From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port In-Reply-To: mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu's message of 3 Oct 95 23: 20:36 CDT Message-Id: Lines: 70 Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Nntp-Posting-Host: helix.nih.gov Reply-To: rick@helix.nih.gov (Richard Troxel) Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct3.232036.1@netnews.wku.edu> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:26:59 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. > port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the > port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no > expert on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if > yours is slightly tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit > is a good suggestion. I too have observed these symptoms, just as sporadically as reported below, but in a straight DOS dialup context. I routinely run Kermit on port 2 in one of several DOS VM's under Windows 3.1. I've seen the "unknown hardware" msg sporadically and unrepeatably, most recently about 60 seconds ago. All my attempts to track this down have failed. Kermit is the only comm software I run. The dos mouse driver is always loaded before windows and is configured for COM1. When so configured, it does not touch COM2 (I tested this using a protected-mode utility which protects the i/o port addresses and watches for attempts to access them). I use a PS/2 mouse with Microsoft driver, often don't invoke win at all, othewise similar. I've seen the problem with two different I/O boards, everything standard about them, standard irq's, standard port addresses, except that my current card has 2 16550's instead of 2 8250's. For me it's persisted across 3 different PCs and at least a couple of modems (probably all AT&T 9600 bps or faster). My resolution of the problem is always the same--I exit Kermit and reinvoke it. Problem is always gone, and I may not see it again for days. Here I have a suggestion for an easier workaround: For me it suffices simply to escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and issue set port 1 (or 2 as appropriate), then connect again and procede with my login. No TCP/IP drivers or network drivers of any sort are loaded. This is a straight serial port to modem connection on my standard, clone home machine. Same, except mine is a real PS/2. The only memory-resident software loaded is standard DOS/WINDOWS stuff: HIMEM, EMM386, etc. I use QEMM. My latest example of this symptom is typical in its nonrepeatability: [snip] (FWIW: I have enough physical RAM that I don't need virtual memory; so the problem isn't being caused by some specific sequence of page faults that may vary when the user thinks nothing has changed.) Same here (I think). This has been my consistent experience with this problem over a period of a couple of years. I simply cannot repeat the error reliabily, and I've had lots of experience tracking down bugs. Same here. Another data point... Regards, -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 13:33:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:33:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:33:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TCP for Mac Kermit? Date: 5 Oct 1995 13:33:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <450mr2$rqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Peter M. Jansson wrote: >Are there plans to add TCP connectivity to the Mac Kermit implementation? > As you can see in the ckmker.bwr file, there are numerous plans for Mac Kermit. Unfortunately, there is nobody to implement them. For the past five or six years, we have not had a programmer with both the time and ability to "take charge" of Mac Kermit. Several programmers have made valuable contributions as one-shot deals. Last month, a university actually assigned one of its programmers to add Mac TCP support to Mac Kermit, but before the work could be completed, the programmer took a new job. If we had the funds to hire a Macintosh programmer, we would do it. But unfortunately, we don't, and perhaps even more unfortunately, hiring a full-time employee to do this type of work is the only way it will ever get done. That's a change from the "old days". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 13:46:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:47:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:47:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 5 Oct 1995 09:46:58 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 94 Message-Id: <450nki$cku@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com>, Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: : I'm using C-kermit version 5A on a Sparc 10/50 running SunOS4.1.3. In using : autodialing, I want to change the init string. In .kermrc file, I add: : "set dial init-string atq0m1". : When I do "dial system", "atq0m1" is echoed, followed shortly after on same : line by "No response from modem". Without specifying init string, kermit's : default init string is issued and modem responds "OK". : Try: set dial init-string atq0m1\13 : When uploading or downloading, kermit displays "."'s as it's transferring : data. Is there anyway to interpret these as the percentage or amount of : data being transferred, or better yet an actual display of these values? : The current version is 5A(190). In 5A(190), each dot signifies one K. You also have two other file-transfer-display options. One of them is a full- screen curses affair, with all sorts of information continuously updated including "percent done", "estimated time remaining", "characters per second", and so on. The complete UNIX C-Kermit package, including source code, initialization files, installation instructions, documentation updates, hints and tips files, etc, but NOT binary executables is available as follows: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make linux make solaris2x make hpux90 which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Binary executables for selected UNIX configurations are available via anonymous from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, files ckuker.* (there are many of these) -- get the READ.ME file from the same directory and read it first. Examples: ckuker.rs6aix32c.3.2.4 - IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2.4 ckuker.rs6aix41c - IBM RS/6000 AIX 4.1.x ckuker.irix60 - SGI IRIX 6.x ckuker.sco* - Various SCO UNIX / Xenix versions ckuker.solaris2xg.2.3 - Solaris 2.3 SPARC ckuker.solaris2xg.2.4-Intel - Solaris 2.4 Intel ckuker.unixwarenetc - UnixWare Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order direct from the publisher: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 15:15:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:36:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:36:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.solaris Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!EU.net!sun4nl!wauso!paul From: paul@ahwau.ahold.nl (Paul Slootman) Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:15:07 GMT References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Albert Heijn Winkelautomatisering, Zaandam, the Netherlands Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Lines: 55 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3754 comp.dcom.modems:112000 comp.unix.solaris:59018 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: >Bjorn Eng wrote: >: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. >: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor How does it mess it up? What are the symptoms? >: (Solaris getty-like process). Looking through the '.bwr' files I saw >: >: Does anyone have a fix for whatever Kermit is doing to the port >: monitor? > >Kermit isn't doing anything to the port monitor. Kermit is using the same >technique that it has used successfully for over a decade to access dialout >devices on more than 400 different UNIX platforms. [...] Kermit used, and is using, the same technique on more than 400 different UNIX platforms? The same one? On all of them? Magic! :-) Pray tell, what is that technique? >If Sun changes the rules >and requires some proprietary scheme for obtaining indulgences from their >"Port Monitor", then we'll be glad to include the code for this if it is not >proprietary and need not be licensed and can be redistributed and somebody >tells us what it is. I would expect that Sun is using the "normal" SVR4 thang for Solaris. If the port is properly configured (with sacadm/pmadm/ttymon-specific or whatever; use admintool if you can!), an appropriate lock in /var/spool/locks should do the trick. >: This does not happen when you use tip for dialout. >: >Of course it doesn't -- Solaris Tip is specially coded by Sun for Solaris, >and you don't get source code to see how they handle the port monitor. The command "truss" can do wonders in cases you don't have source code, and are wondering what magic some command is doing. Many, if not most, unknown interactions can be, eh, reverse-engineered using truss. >Kermit is coded to be portable. It's not easy being portable, especially >now that every company has its own unique "open standard" for doing each >thing :-) Amen to that :-| comp.unix.solaris added to newsgroups, and followups adjusted. Paul Slootman -- key to UNIX: echo '16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D4D465452snlbx'|dc Murphy Software, Enschede, The Netherlands paul@murphy.nl work: paul@ahwau.ahold.nl +31 756 593946 fax +31 756 351240 home: paul@wurtel.hobby.nl +31 546 851514 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 16:15:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:07:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:07:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!venus.sun.com!uk-usenet.uk.sun.com!sungy!usenet From: Casper.Dik@holland.sun.com (Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 5 Oct 1995 16:15:01 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Netherlands Lines: 35 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: room101.holland.sun.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3755 comp.unix.solaris:59034 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu paul@ahwau.ahold.nl (Paul Slootman) writes: >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>Bjorn Eng wrote: >>: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. >>: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor >How does it mess it up? What are the symptoms? The protmonitor listens for incoming calls. For bidirectional ports, the portmonitor will start failing to open the dial-in side of the port when the dialout is started and will conclude that the port is broken after a short period of time. Bug id 1191317, this shoul dbe fixed with patch 101720-02 (2.3) There seems to be no matching 2.4 patch. There is no magic with the portmonitor involved when dialing out. But sun does have split personality serial lines: These two lines point to the same device: crw------- 1 uucp uucp 29,131072 Apr 3 1995 /dev/cua/a crw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 29, 0 Sep 11 13:45 /dev/term/a On dialin, open on /dev/term/a will succeed. For dialout use /dev/cua/a (much like in SunOS 4). This split personality only works if you configure your line for hardware carrier detect. Casper -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 03:59:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:53:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03827 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:53:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: omer@actcom.co.il (Omer Joel) Subject: Kermit scripts - How does it work ? Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 03:59:50 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm only a novice with kermit and I don't know how to use scripts . can anyone help me ??? From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 04:01:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:54:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:54:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: omer@actcom.co.il (Omer Joel) Subject: Kermit scripts - How does it work ? Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 04:01:21 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm only a novice with kermit and I don't know how to use scripts . can anyone help me ??? please answer me by e-mail : omer@actcom.co.il From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 06:29:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!btnet!news.easynet.co.uk!usenet From: mildewh@easynet.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problems with copy concatenate Date: 4 Oct 1995 06:29:59 GMT Organization: Mildew Hall BBS [os2] UK +44-1420-543542 24 Hours Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <44t9l7$7eu@lemon.easynet.co.uk> Reply-To: mildewh@easynet.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: mildewh.easynet.co.uk X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please advise - I need to run a copy concatenate in Ms-Kermit 3.14 and C-Kermit 5a(190) for OS/2. My script line for both looks like: run copy file1 + file2 + file3 target I have to shell to the OS to do it because I found that internal kermit copy wouldn't work. The problem i get (but not on ALL the machines i try) is that "file3" is not always concatenated, so the application that receives "target" fails. I have kludged round it by: run copy file1 + file2 + file3 + file4 target where target is a 0 byte file created by open write file4 / close write file. Messy, but i'd like a fix for my problem.. Thanks in advance! +-----------------------------------------------------+ + Peter Garner AKA mildewh@easynet.co.uk + Mildew Hall BBS [os2] .. Alton's one and only BBS + running Warp From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 00:36:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wanda.pond.com!usenet From: "Joseph B. Gill" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Alphanumeric script file Date: 5 Oct 1995 00:36:02 GMT Organization: GMIS Lines: 14 Message-Id: <44v99i$b0b@wanda.pond.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific-18.vf.pond.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, My manager is replacing my display pager with an alphanumeric one. I've been using KERMIT to send numeric codes but I thought I remember seeing an example of an alphanumeric pager script. Does anyone have it or know where an example would be? Thanks in advance, Joe Gill GMIS, Inc. E-mail: gilljb@gmis.com WWW : http://www.gmis.com/~gilljb ning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 > Unimplemented speed > ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts > > This is on a 486. On a Pentium box, I get this message only > *part* of the time. Huh?!? If I run Kermit in a DOS box, I get the error > message, leave Kermit for DOS, then run Kermit *again*, it correctly > detects the port. But not on the 486. > > What's going on here? How can it be fixed? > > -- John This happens to me too, however I just kill the DOS window and try again and it always works. Hope this helps. /Russ -- Russ Forster, BC Systems, 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8 RForster@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA Office: (604) 389-3186 Fax: (604) 389-3412 Disclaimer: The opinions and statements contained in this posting are the sole responsibility of the author and have not in any way been reviewed or approved by my employer or any network service. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 00:39:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wanda.pond.com!usenet From: "Joseph B. Gill" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Alphanumeric script file on OpenVMS Date: 5 Oct 1995 00:39:22 GMT Organization: GMIS Lines: 22 Message-Id: <44v9fq$b0b@wanda.pond.com> References: <44v99i$b0b@wanda.pond.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific-18.vf.pond.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Joseph B. Gill" wrote: >Hello, >My manager is replacing my display pager with an alphanumeric one. >I've been using KERMIT to send numeric codes but I thought I >remember seeing an example of an alphanumeric pager script. Does >anyone have it or know where an example would be? I guess it would have been nice if I included the platform! OpenVMS Thanks in advance, Joe Gill GMIS, Inc. E-mail: gilljb@gmis.com WWW : http://www.gmis.com/~gilljb > From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 06:25:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!cmi.hahnemann.edu!earth.medcolpa.edu!schoffstall From: schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Date: 4 Oct 95 10:25:43 EDT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: earth.medcolpa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 Unimplemented speed ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts This is on a 486. On a Pentium box, I get this message only *part* of the time. Huh?!? If I run Kermit in a DOS box, I get the error message, leave Kermit for DOS, then run Kermit *again*, it correctly detects the port. But not on the 486. What's going on here? How can it be fixed? -- John From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 15:50:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:13:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:13:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!news.cc.ic.ac.uk!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Estascy@euphoria.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <44tv29$c81@globe.indirect.com> Control: cancel <44tv29$c81@globe.indirect.com> Date: 4 Oct 1995 15:50:12 GMT Organization: Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Usenetters Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk X-Subject: Euphoria Tape...Try it with a Lover! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Death to Spam! From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 13:53:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:53:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:53:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CTRL Caret on macintosh? Date: 6 Oct 1995 13:53:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Distribution: na Message-Id: <453cc9$bis@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44sljg$5ot@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44sljg$5ot@uwm.edu>, Dave Rasmussen wrote: : In one of our inservice labs we have mackermit (version unknown at : the time of my writing this) on mac powerpc machines. They teach pine/pico : on a unix host in this lab, and pico uses CTRL ^ to mark a region. But : according to our mac expert they can't get mac kermit to transmit that : character. Can anyone on this list recommend how to do this? Basically : it'd be a CTRL SHIFT 6 to transmit a CTRL caret. : I don't have a Mac handy at the moment, but in case Mac Kermit does not send Ctrl-^ when you press the desired key combo, just go into the key settings dialog and assign the appropriate octal code (\36) to the key combo. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 14:09:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:09:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:09:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 6 Oct 1995 14:09:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <453dbc$c49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3765 comp.unix.solaris:59116 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM>, Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer wrote: : paul@ahwau.ahold.nl (Paul Slootman) writes: : >Frank da Cruz wrote: : >>Bjorn Eng wrote: : >>: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. : >>: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor : : >How does it mess it up? What are the symptoms? : : The protmonitor listens for incoming calls. For bidirectional ports, : the portmonitor will start failing to open the dial-in side of the port : when the dialout is started and will conclude that the port is broken : after a short period of time. : : Bug id 1191317, this shoul dbe fixed with patch 101720-02 (2.3) : There seems to be no matching 2.4 patch. : So you are saying there is a bug in Solaris 2.3 that causes the above symptom, and that when this patch is applied, the problem goes away? But that there is no way to fix it in Solaris 2.4? Yet others are saying that this does not happen in tip or cu or whatever. So evidently there is a way to code around the problem, but we do not know what it is, because the sources for tip and cu are not open. I do not have access to a Solaris system that has a dialout modem, so I will need some assistance with this one. I'm perfectly willing to include any disgusting code that might be necessary to get this to work, even different code for each version and each patch level of Solaris, but I can't do it myself because I don't have a testbed available to me. Remember, folks, UNIX is a fairly portable and standard development environment except in certain areas. The most notorious trouble spot, from Kermit's point of view, is the handling of dialout devices: what are they called, what are the permissions on them, what directory are the lockfiles in, what are the permissions on that directory, what are the lockfiles called, what is in the lockfiles, what are the permissions on the lockfiles, and, worst of all, how to handle bidirectional lines. As far as I know, no two vendors do it the same way. If you are having trouble in this area on your system, send me thorough and complete documentation of the programming interface and techniques specified by the vendor for doing this, and be prepared to test the results. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 14:17:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:17:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:17:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Date: 6 Oct 1995 14:17:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, wrote: >I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut >down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a >Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it >executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: > >?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 >Unimplemented speed >?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts > As Joe Doupnik never tires of explaining, Windows does not let Kermit at the real port, but only at a poor simulation of it. See the Kermit FAQ for hints on how to hammer Windows into submission. Basically, just keep repeating yourself: "set port 1... I said SET PORT 1! I SAID... SET PORT 1!!!" Also, you should have better luck with Kermit 95, which is written specifically for Windows 95. It uses the Windows drivers and follows Windows rules, thus keeping Windows happy. It also makes TCP/IP connections over Windows' built-in Winsock stack, which also makes Windows happy. More info about Kermit 95 at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 14:30:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:30:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:30:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Looking for Alphanumeric script file on OpenVMS Date: 6 Oct 1995 14:30:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <453ei4$cvq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44v99i$b0b@wanda.pond.com> <44v9fq$b0b@wanda.pond.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3767 comp.os.vms:111510 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44v9fq$b0b@wanda.pond.com>, Joseph B. Gill wrote: >"Joseph B. Gill" wrote: >>My manager is replacing my display pager with an alphanumeric one. >>I've been using KERMIT to send numeric codes but I thought I >>remember seeing an example of an alphanumeric pager script. Does >>anyone have it or know where an example would be? > >I guess it would have been nice if I included the platform! > > OpenVMS > In the magazine, DEC Professional, columnist Kevin G. Barkes printed a C-Kermit script for OpenVMS to dial an alphanumeric pager. It was in the February 1995 issue, pages 43-46. You can make it as fancy as you want, but basically there's nothing to it: 1. Set up the call. 2. Make sure that DIAL succeeds (Alpha pagers, unlike numeric pagers, will send carrier back). 3. Send the text. Use OUTPUT or TRANSMIT for this. 4. Hang up. Some alpha pagers use a protocol with framing, checksums, message numbers, etc. One such protocol is called TAP. You can do this sort of thing in Kermit script language too, using INPUT and OUTPUT together with Kermit's built-in string, logical, and arithmetic functions. Just obtain the protocol specification from your pager service provider and start coding. Post examples here for others to see. For calling numeric pagers, see the item in the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 14:33:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:33:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:33:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit scripts - How does it work ? Date: 6 Oct 1995 14:33:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 108 Message-Id: <453eo0$d2a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Omer Joel wrote: >I'm only a novice with kermit and I don't know how to use scripts . >can anyone help me ??? > The Kermit script language is a programming language, similar to C or BASIC. As with other programming languages, you'll need a manual. For MS-DOS Kermit (for DOS and Windows 3.x), the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95. For C-Kermit (OS/2, UNIX, VMS, etc) the manual is: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 (212) 854-3703 Fax: +1 (212) 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 08:24:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:31:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:31:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Message-Id: <1995Oct4.142419.62779@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Oct 95 14:24:19 MDT References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu writes: > I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut > down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a > Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it > executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: > > ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 > Unimplemented speed > ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts > > This is on a 486. On a Pentium box, I get this message only > *part* of the time. Huh?!? If I run Kermit in a DOS box, I get the error > message, leave Kermit for DOS, then run Kermit *again*, it correctly > detects the port. But not on the 486. > > What's going on here? How can it be fixed? --------------- We don't know. Call Microsoft Tech Support and/or dig deeply into the Resource Kit. That said, let me add a couple of comments. You may want to tell Windows to not devote the serial port to its own apps, get its address stated correctly, but leave it free. If you have other comms gear looking for that port, say a FAX program or MS' RAS material, then expect trouble. You might also want to run DEBUG.COM within a DOS box and display what's in segment 40h, just as we explain in the MSK release notes. If the first two bytes of 40:0h are empty (zeros) then Windows has usurped the port and that's that; try Control Panel variations. If not then they should be the same value as used elsewhere, such as \03f8 (two bytes together). Remember that Windows virtualizes (fancy for takes over the real and provides a fake substitute) serial port hardware, and failures to behave normally are results of the emulation by Windows. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 22:07:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 19:12:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 19:11:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 6 Oct 1995 18:07:30 -0400 Organization: panix Lines: 21 Message-Id: <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com> References: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> <450nki$cku@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the help regarding terminating init string and file-transfer display options. (And thanks to other replies by email). I'll definitely take your suggestion to order the manual. The last time I'd looked at kermit, there was no FAQ, and I didn't know anyone who was familiar with the package; so we stopped using it. This time around, I'm very happy with the results. Help from the FAQ and this newsgroup made the difference. One minor point that bothers me. When I'm transferring files, issuing send and receive on both the local and remote system seems redundant; both are unix sytems, always. Is it possible to eliminate maybe with macros or scripts? If it's covered in the manual, I'll look it up when I receive it. Thanks again. -- __________________________________________________________________ | | | Name: Kurt Rosenhagen Email: kjr@panix.com | |__________________________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 16:07:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:15:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:15:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!pendragon.jsc.nasa.gov!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!uk-usenet.uk.sun.com!sungy!usenet From: Casper.Dik@holland.sun.com (Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 6 Oct 1995 16:07:21 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Netherlands Lines: 24 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <453k7p$jl7@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> <453dbc$c49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: room101.holland.sun.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3771 comp.unix.solaris:59152 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >So you are saying there is a bug in Solaris 2.3 that causes the above >symptom, and that when this patch is applied, the problem goes away? >But that there is no way to fix it in Solaris 2.4? Well, there is: use patch T102562-01, but that patch hasn't been released yet. Patches aren't usually released to the general public until there's enough demand. >Yet others are saying that this does not happen in tip or cu or whatever. >So evidently there is a way to code around the problem, but we do not >know what it is, because the sources for tip and cu are not open. The bug report 1191317 says that this does happen with tip. I've checked tip source and it doesn't do anything special. It opens the port, does a ioctl setflags with XCLUDE and HUPCL and that's all (and it uucp locks the port). Casper -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 19:08:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 04:14:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 04:14:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!delphi.cs.ucla.edu!twinsun!not-for-mail From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 6 Oct 1995 12:08:25 -0700 Organization: Twin Sun Inc, El Segundo, CA, USA Lines: 13 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <453ur9$eh@spot.twinsun.com> References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> <453dbc$c49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.twinsun.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3772 comp.unix.solaris:59183 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It's not just kermit: the ttymon problem also breaks some other software, some from Sun, some from other vendors. The simplest workaround is to not allow bidirectional connections, and use the modem only for dialout. I don't know of any way to change kermit to work around the problem. While we're on the subject of Solaris and Kermit, when I upgraded to a host from SunOS 4.1.3U1 (aka Solaris 1.1.1) to SunOS 4.1.4 (aka Solaris 1.1.2), outgoing kermit stopped working. This is C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD). kermit dials out OK, but the instant the modems finish handshaking, kermit reports `Communications disconnect (Back at twin)' and the modem hangs up. Rebuilding kermit from scratch didn't help. I haven't had time to look into it; we use tty Kermit only in emergencies these days. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 08:45:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:25:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:25:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Message-Id: <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 95 14:45:51 MDT References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, > wrote: >>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut >>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a >>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it >>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: >> >>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 >>Unimplemented speed >>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts ----------- I have a suggestion for those afflicted with the above message. Open the Windows Control Panel, choose Ports, tell Windows the IRQ and port address of your COMx ports, restart Windows. Brave souls may wish to further configure Windows to cope with 16550A UARTs, according to whatever MS Windows instructions you happen to have. I ran quick tests of MSK under WFW 3.11 here, and using serial ports was clean every time. I had done the above. The thought it Windows doesn't look at the hardware until forced, and then on the first try it gets matters messed up. Thus repeated tries with MSK to finally yield success is another way of telling Windows to do the job properly. Configuring Windows should remove this forcing step. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 19:00:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 20:45:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 20:45:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!usenet From: David Maw Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tech info on kermit? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Organization: The University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: maw@obelix Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for techical papers/docco on how kermit works. I have to write a paper on how Kermit handles errors, and have had little luck finding information on WWW and Gopher. If you can point me in the general direction please post to this group or email me at: maw@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Thank you, ---- David Maw ----------------- "Errors" cover many sins and the responses vary depending on the particular transgression involved. The formal statement of the Kermit protocol is the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, paperbound for under US$40, ISBN 09-32276-88-6. Within that framework each implementation has room to select whether to respond to some conditions or be patient, and how strongly to complain (sliding windows heurstics). A general soft rule in networking is damaged packets are not packets and are disregarded entirely as if they never occurred. Timers then step in to recover from outages. Thus damaged packets become empty time on the wire. Kermit is an ACK/NAK protocol and the intelligent and selective use of NAKs can shorten waiting times (NAKs are timeout preventers). Another soft rule of protocol stacks is there is room for local inventiveness on each end as that end selects what to do when things are not in good shape. These are heuristics that obey the formal rules and keep state machines sane, but generally try to shorten recovery sequences. A last soft rule of stacks is never try to outguess or even "help" the other side, because this side does not have all the information and thus may well make matters worse for a while. I implement this last soft rule as barbarian style actions in MS-DOS Kermit: do it successfully or everything fails and we could care less why it failed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 03:09:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18076 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:32:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:32:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Bobbie R. <70751.3204@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit User's Manual Date: 7 Oct 1995 03:09:51 GMT Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 5 Message-Id: <454r1v$72b$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have windows 3.1 and old kermit release from Texas Womens University and no working knowledge. When I get back from logoff LO --- how do I terminate the session within windows to return to windows menu? Or how and where can I find a copy of the user's manual online form CIM. Thanks for the help in advance. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 12:20:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:32:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:32:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!wbgl.demon.co.uk From: Infomation Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Automatic Parity selection Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 12:20:10 GMT Organization: The Warwick Bepos Group Lines: 17 Message-Id: <813068410snz@wbgl.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: info@wbgl.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wbgl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When starting file transfer using kermit 5A(190), kermit sometimes selects EVEN parity. This cannot be overidden by specifying a parity of NONE and the transfer obviously fails because the other end is not running EVEN parity. I can overcome this by setting parity to EVEN at both ends and everything works fine - but I would rather not. The problem only occurs when communicating to a particular OS - ICL DRS NX running on an Intel machine. The kermit manual states that automatic parity detection will occur but in this case it is detecting incorrectly. Any ideas ? From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 16:46:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 04:19:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 04:19:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct7.224616.63072@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 95 22:46:16 MDT References: <1995Oct5.224941.9334@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 68 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct5.224941.9334@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes: > Sob story and plea for guidance from gurus: > > A few months ago, I replaced a 2400 baud modem in my 386 PC with a > 14.4K Zoom fax modem. The old reliable version of MSDOS Kermit (2.30) > I used to run didn't seem to know how to talk to it at COM4 (more on > that in a second), so I grabbed a recent version (3.14 dated 1/95) off > the net. That worked fine, and I setup a script to automatically dial > up a UNIX machine, send a file, logout, and hangup. > > Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer > works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and > generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. Even with the default > .INI files. Kerlite also runs at OJTrial speed (i.e. takes forever). > > Another comm program that came with the new modem ("Comit") runs at > normal speed, but it doesn't support scripting, it's VT100 emulator is > buggy, and when you transmit a file it converts CR/LF into two newlines :P > > I thought perhaps a kermit file got corrupted, so I grabbed a fresh > copy, and got v3.14 dated 5/95. It has the same slowness problem right > out of the box. > > I reinstalled Kermit v2.30, R'dTFM and figured out how to get it to use > COM4. It runs at full speed. The scripting features are limited > compared to v3.14, but I converted my dialup/mailing script. It gets as > far as establishing the modem connection to the remote site, then > aborts to DOS (with the phone connection still active) with "Divide > error". (At this point, the script is doing an "INPUT" command waiting > for the "login:" prompt). > > (excuse me one second...) > > aaaAAAAAAAAARGRRRGRGRGRGGRGRGRHHHHH!!&*&^&*&@#$@#$!!!! > > (okay, I'm back) Sorry, that's copyrighted by Mr. Schultz, on behalf of Charlie Brown. Look & feel, you know. > If you're still with me, > - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is? How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? MSK runs very happily at nice high speeds, so the signs are that something is NOT configured sensibly on your machine, but we can't begin to guess what with the information at hand. Then, you might help us some by indicating whether you ran the install material for the current Kermit. The reason for asking is mainly to know if you are using a modem script and the script does not match your modem. Got flow control set properly on the PC and in the modem? > - how about why v2.30 fails with "divide error"? Don't bother asking. Stay with the code written for high speed machines. Joe D. > - or a recommendation for a simple comm program that will let > me script a login session? > > Thanks for any technical advice or moral support. > --- > "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov > Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 22:35:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 07:57:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 07:57:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom7.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <1995Oct5.224941.9334@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:35:12 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm not sure if the problems you're having with Kermit running on your system are a result of this, but I think I can tell you with nearly 100% assurance that you got stuck with an RPI modem. What's RPI? A complete answer is to be found in the Kermit FAQ, but briefly it means that your modem does not have data compression or error correction built in, but instead depends on having those features supplied by the software through a proprietary interface that must be licensed from Rockwell. If the box said it has those features (usually says "in software"), that's the Comit that came with it. Zoom may now offer 14.4 modems with EC and compression in hardware, but they were known for selling cheap RPI modems not long ago. You can know for sure-- ATI3 or I4 should return "Rockwell RPI" if it is one. Return it for refund or exchange if you can. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 22:49:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 10:12:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 10:12:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.iag.net!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!llyene!news From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) Subject: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct5.224941.9334@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:49:41 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sob story and plea for guidance from gurus: A few months ago, I replaced a 2400 baud modem in my 386 PC with a 14.4K Zoom fax modem. The old reliable version of MSDOS Kermit (2.30) I used to run didn't seem to know how to talk to it at COM4 (more on that in a second), so I grabbed a recent version (3.14 dated 1/95) off the net. That worked fine, and I setup a script to automatically dial up a UNIX machine, send a file, logout, and hangup. Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. Even with the default .INI files. Kerlite also runs at OJTrial speed (i.e. takes forever). Another comm program that came with the new modem ("Comit") runs at normal speed, but it doesn't support scripting, it's VT100 emulator is buggy, and when you transmit a file it converts CR/LF into two newlines :P I thought perhaps a kermit file got corrupted, so I grabbed a fresh copy, and got v3.14 dated 5/95. It has the same slowness problem right out of the box. I reinstalled Kermit v2.30, R'dTFM and figured out how to get it to use COM4. It runs at full speed. The scripting features are limited compared to v3.14, but I converted my dialup/mailing script. It gets as far as establishing the modem connection to the remote site, then aborts to DOS (with the phone connection still active) with "Divide error". (At this point, the script is doing an "INPUT" command waiting for the "login:" prompt). (excuse me one second...) aaaAAAAAAAAARGRRRGRGRGRGGRGRGRHHHHH!!&*&^&*&@#$@#$!!!! (okay, I'm back) If you're still with me, - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is? - how about why v2.30 fails with "divide error"? - or a recommendation for a simple comm program that will let me script a login session? Thanks for any technical advice or moral support. --- "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 16:29:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 12:39:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 12:39:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Date: 8 Oct 1995 12:29:23 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 60 Message-Id: <458u93$o8g@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: |> In article <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> > In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, |> > wrote: |> >>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut |> >>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a |> >>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it |> >>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: |> >> |> >>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 |> >>Unimplemented speed |> >>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts |> ----------- |> I have a suggestion for those afflicted with the above message. |> Open the Windows Control Panel, choose Ports, tell Windows the IRQ and |> port address of your COMx ports, restart Windows. Brave souls may wish |> to further configure Windows to cope with 16550A UARTs, according to |> whatever MS Windows instructions you happen to have. |> I ran quick tests of MSK under WFW 3.11 here, and using serial |> ports was clean every time. I had done the above. ... snip ... Joe may be on to something here. I use Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and I have an external modem on COM2. I find that I can consistently force the unknown hardware warning when I: - turn the modem off - start Windows - turn the modem on - start Kermit There may be other scenarios that cause the error. I don't know because I put a macro in my mscustom.ini file that tests for the failure and sleeps 2 seconds and reissues the set port command. On my PC this always clears the error so I've stopped wondering about it. However, I followed Joe's suggestion and used the Windows Control Panel Ports item to explicitly set the COM1 and COM2 values in my system.ini. Before doing this, the file had no values for these two ports but did have entries for COM3 and COM4 (which do not in fact exist). After exiting and restarting Windows I still got the unknown hardware warning. I then exited Windows and edited system.ini to delete the bogus entries for COM3 and COM4. Rerunning the test described above I did not get the warning. I'm not ready to claim I'll never see the error again but others may find my experiment useful. I don't know how the COM3/COM4 entries got into my system.ini file. It is possible I inadvertantly created them demonstrating the Control Panel to someone. As a final test, I exited Windows, deleted the COM1/COM2 lines in system.ini, and reran the power modem off, start Windows, power modem on, start Kermit experiment. This again produced the unknown hardware warning. So for my PC and WfW 3.11 it looks like Joe is right. When my system.ini file accurately describes my real COM ports I do not get the unknown hardware warning. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 21:38:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:03:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:03:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!lab33.cs.purdue.edu!huntercr From: huntercr@cs.purdue.edu (Charles Randolph Hunter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Ckermit and load problems. Date: 8 Oct 1995 16:38:26 -0500 Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University Lines: 26 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: lab33.cs.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have Ckermit 1.91 for OS/2 and after more than a month of trying to configure it properly, it still is a terrible hog of system time when downloading I have a 486dx2-80 with 16MB of RAM so I know it's not my motherboard. I was thinking that it might be because my com ports are not 16550's and I am connecting to an external DOV unit at 19200. I have been experimenting with my system settings and get peak performance at about 1835 CPS on a ZIP file.I have set priority to normal, I have "set rec pause n " to some number n and it seems to help about %10 or so, but I still have almost my entire system taken down by C-kermit. I notice that the system is not lagged at first when the CPS rates are low ( 1200-1500 ), but even if I lower the buad rate, system is still brought to its knees. Something a little peculiar is that anything that is in memory before I start the download will operate fine, as long as it does not access the disk! Does anyone have any ideas, tips,.. anything? Please email responses and/or post for others if you like. Thanks! -- Charles Hunter From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 12:40:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:06:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:06:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.net99.net!news!md From: md@goodnet.com (Mike Denton) Subject: How to Get Free Cable Premium TV .. LEGIT Message-Id: Organization: GoodNet Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:40:10 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu First I want to say I am sorry that this has nothing to do with the topic of this group. You may see this message in other newsgroups, the reason is I am subscribed to those too so please don't flame me. I have been posting and reading to this group for a while. I just wanted to let you people out know there is a way to get Cable TV for FREE. I recieve this letter in the mail from a friend that had told me it works. I gave this to one of my friends and he had free cable in his house within 20 mins. I have not tried this method yet but may soon try if my cable goes up in price. If anyone would like a copy send the following to the address below. Address Envelope to: FreeStuff 9393 N. 90th St. Suite 102-289 Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Enclose in the envelope: Send... $1.00 U.S MONEY *** NO COINS *** NO CHECKS *** inside a sheet of carbon paper or construction paper, and send a *self-addressed*,*stamped* envelope to the address above. Thanxs, Just think if you pay 30$ + a month. 1$ will save you 359 + dollars a year. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 09:38:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:43:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:43:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!cobia.gulf.net!valinor.mythical.com!valinor!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: md@goodnet.com (Mike Denton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: Sun, 08 Oct 95 14:38:50 CDT Control: cancel Organization: GoodNet Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled with Waffle From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 16:23:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:54:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:54:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!ai-lab!usenet From: stefank@panix.com (Stefan Kozlowski) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 (TYelnet) with Win95 Date: 9 Oct 1995 16:23:52 GMT Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 15 Message-Id: <45biao$dlq@life.ai.mit.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rice-chex.ai.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone managed to get Kermit 3.14 to run with the built in TCP/IP stack on Win95? I want to use Kermit as my telnet client....I need my emacs kbd mappings. When I have tried, my mscustom.ini loads mormally, the system pauses and then I get a message claiming that Kermit could not talk to my default gateway. Any help or pointers to help would be greatly appreciated. (I already know about Kermit95 and may go this way if I have to.) Thanks in advance. --Stefan From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 16:21:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:27:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:27:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!llyene!news From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct9.162125.9414@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory References: <1995Oct7.224616.63072@cc.usu.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:21:25 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article 63072@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >[I wrote:] >> Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer >> works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and >> generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. >> ... >> - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is? > How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any >other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). >Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded. > MSK runs very happily at nice high speeds, so the signs are that >something is NOT configured sensibly on your machine, but we can't begin to >guess what with the information at hand. Reasonable, except that no other programs show this problem. And an absolute bare-bones DOS boot (floppy with MSDOS 5.0, no config.sys and no autoexec.bat) made no difference. > Then, you might help us some by indicating whether you ran the >install material for the current Kermit. The reason for asking is mainly >to know if you are using a modem script and the script does not match >your modem. It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt and watch one line come out every few seconds. >> - or a recommendation for a simple comm program that will let >> me script a login session? I found one - dug out a copy of Procomm that came with my old 2400 modem. It runs at full speed, talks to the modem at COM4 without arm-twisting, and has a straightforward scripting language. I feel better now. But thanks for your suggestions. If I happen to figure out what stupid thing I was doing wrong, I'll post a confession. --- "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 20:24:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:48:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:48:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!gaylord From: gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit Print? Date: 9 Oct 1995 20:24:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 14 Message-Id: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Nntp-Posting-User: gaylord X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated when a particular string is received and ended when another string is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? Many thanks. Clark -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 16:11:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 20:54:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 20:54:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Control chars to prefix for rlogin? Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom7.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 16:11:13 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Forgive me if the following is not too clear. I'm having trouble figuring out how to ask. I'm using rlogin to connect from my Unix shell account to a shell account on another ISP (I recall reading in this group that rlogin is better for Kermit file transfers than telnet). I have MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest patch level) on my PC, and C-Kermit 5A(190) on both my account and the remote host I'm rlogging into. My account runs on SunOS 4.1.3U, the remote one on MIPS-DEC-Ultrix 4.3. For file transfers between my PC and my account, I only need to prefix 0 1 3 26 28 sending from my PC to the host, and 1 3 26 28 255 host --> PC. When I use these settings to transfer files between my PC <--> the (rlogin-connected) remote host, host --> PC transfers work fine, but PC --> host transfers fail, and often cause the session to freeze (no response to any key), requiring me to hang up and call back in. If I prefix *all* control chars PC --> remote host, the transfer works fine. My question: Can anyone suggest control chars to try prefixing for PC --> remote host transfers in addition to 0 1 3 26 28, so that I don't have to try them all? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 01:19:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Date: 10 Oct 1995 01:19:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <45chmq$1vq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Clark Gaylord wrote: >Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated >when a particular string is received and ended when another string >is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal >gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or OS/2) do this? Both. MS-DOS and OS/2 Kermit's (as well as the upcoming K-95) support both Controller and Auto-Print modes of the VT320 terminals. >And if so, what is the command/initialization string? These are listed in the "Using MS-DOS Kermit", the "Using C-Kermit" and VT terminal manuals. In addition, they are also in the documentation files which come with the software. Start Stop Auto-Print ESC [?5i ESC [?4i Controller ESC [5i ESC [4i Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 11:05:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:31:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:31:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!greybox.demon.co.uk From: Y Badri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:05:32 GMT Organization: improving slowly Lines: 26 Distribution: inet Message-Id: References: <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> <453dbc$c49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <453k7p$jl7@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: greybox.demon.co.uk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3790 comp.unix.solaris:59422 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <453k7p$jl7@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM>, Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer wrote: > >I've checked tip source and it doesn't do anything special. >It opens the port, does a ioctl setflags with XCLUDE and HUPCL and >that's all (and it uucp locks the port). Actually, that is somewhat special. I did a grep on /usr/share/man/* and XCLUDE is not documented. Another grep revealed that kermit doesn't use it [version 5A(188)]. It does turn up in sys/termios.h, as one of the bits in termios.c_cflag, and I'm not entirely happy about this comment ... #define XCLUDE 0100000 /* *V7* exclusive use coming fron XENIX */ As with other posters here, we've found at work that the safest option for Solaris 2.3 is to dedicate one port to dial-in. We can not only hang the port, but very often watchdog the machine by kermiting out on that port. This does not happen with 'tip', and I recall seeing a rather detailed report of this at Columbia University (FTP or Web, my memory fails me) over a year ago. -- Yusef Badri ... My Other Signature's In Postscript ... From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 08:57:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:35:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:35:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct9.145756.63193@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Oct 95 14:57:56 MDT References: <1995Oct7.224616.63072@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct9.162125.9414@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct9.162125.9414@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes: > In article 63072@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >>[I wrote:] >>> Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer >>> works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and >>> generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. >>> ... >>> - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is? > >> How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any >>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). >>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? > > COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded. Whoa! Please read the release docs which are packaged with MSK. It appears that you have an IRQ conflict with COM2. >> MSK runs very happily at nice high speeds, so the signs are that >>something is NOT configured sensibly on your machine, but we can't begin to >>guess what with the information at hand. > > Reasonable, except that no other programs show this problem. And an > absolute bare-bones DOS boot (floppy with MSDOS 5.0, no config.sys and > no autoexec.bat) made no difference. > >> Then, you might help us some by indicating whether you ran the >>install material for the current Kermit. The reason for asking is mainly >>to know if you are using a modem script and the script does not match >>your modem. > > It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell > it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt > and watch one line come out every few seconds. That's DOS doing the DIR command for Kermit. That means your machine is in trouble from causes which we can't see from here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 11:53:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:17:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:17:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!usenet From: "Steven W. Layten" Subject: Re: Control chars to prefix for rlogin? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1995Oct10.115354.29235@chemabs.uucp> To: jhurwit@netcom.com Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CAS (Chemical Abstracts Service) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:53:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Lines: 27 rlogin uses (by default) an escape character of a '~'. I don't think that ms-kermit or C-Kermit will allow you to escape this char, as it is a printable character. I have found, however, that transfers from pc-->unix->unix, where the pc->unix link is via ms-kermit and the unix->unix link is via rlogin that the transfers failed when ms-kermit did its 'compression' by replacing repeating chars with a run-length encoded string (the normal 'compression' char is '~' and the run-length was such that it was represented by another '~', that the two '~' chars together were changed by rlogin to a single '~', causing check-sum failures. Bottom line: tell rlogin to use a different escape character by using the '-ec' flag (see man rlogin(1)). In my case, I've got a terminal server in the path that uses control-x as an escape char, so I have to tell ms-kermit to escape control-x anyway, so I tell rlogin to use control-x as the escape character. This has given me full upload/download capabilities. In your case, you seem to be escaping control-z for some reason, so you could probably safely tell rlogin to use this as the escape. Hope this helps. Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Research Scientist Chemical Abstracts Service PO BOX 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org FAX: +1 614 447 3813 # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 16:51:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:58:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:58:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Date: 10 Oct 1995 11:51:11 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 26 Message-Id: <45e89v$2bf@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: >> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated >> when a particular string is received and ended when another string >> is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal >> gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or >> OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? >----------- > Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit >(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description, >and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy >rendition. I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs. I have lots of old PC's that could be used to drive printers from network connections but I'd like to also have a telnet session from the same location to log into the host and control the spooler. Does such a thing already exist? I might try it myself but I don't have the right compiler to build kermit or NCSA telnet. Cutcp might work, though. Is anyone maintaining it? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 20:31:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:31:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:31:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 (TYelnet) with Win95 Date: 10 Oct 1995 20:31:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <45el6m$q42@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45biao$dlq@life.ai.mit.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45biao$dlq@life.ai.mit.edu>, Stefan Kozlowski wrote: : Has anyone managed to get Kermit 3.14 to run with the built in TCP/IP : stack on Win95? I want to use Kermit as my telnet client....I need my : emacs kbd mappings. : Kermit 95 is what you need. It is a native Windows 95 Telnet client and comes with EMACS keyboard mappings. More info: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 14:27:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:07:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:07:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Message-Id: <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Oct 95 20:27:42 MDT References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: > Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated > when a particular string is received and ended when another string > is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal > gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or > OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? ----------- Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit (of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description, and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy rendition. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 22:27:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:27:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:27:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 10 Oct 1995 22:27:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <45es0p$2uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> <450nki$cku@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com>, Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: : Thanks for the help regarding terminating init string and file-transfer : display options. (And thanks to other replies by email). : : I'll definitely take your suggestion to order the manual. The last time I'd : looked at kermit, there was no FAQ, and I didn't know anyone who was : familiar with the package; so we stopped using it. This time around, I'm : very happy with the results. Help from the FAQ and this newsgroup made the : difference. : : One minor point that bothers me. When I'm transferring files, issuing send : and receive on both the local and remote system seems redundant; both are : unix sytems, always. Is it possible to eliminate maybe with macros or : scripts? If it's covered in the manual, I'll look it up when I receive it. : It is -- it's called "server mode". Put one Kermit program in server mode, then it does whatever the other, "client", Kermit asks it to. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 22:31:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:31:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:31:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automatic Parity selection Date: 10 Oct 1995 22:31:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <45es89$34l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <813068410snz@wbgl.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <813068410snz@wbgl.demon.co.uk>, Infomation wrote: : When starting file transfer using kermit 5A(190), kermit sometimes : selects EVEN parity. This cannot be overidden by specifying a parity : of NONE and the transfer obviously fails because the other end is not : running EVEN parity. : : I can overcome this by setting parity to EVEN at both ends and : everything works fine - but I would rather not. : : The problem only occurs when communicating to a particular OS : - ICL DRS NX running on an Intel machine. : : The kermit manual states that automatic parity detection will occur : but in this case it is detecting incorrectly. : I doubt it. If there parity were not there, Kermit would not detect it. Something, somewhere, is adding the even parity bits without your knowledge. A packet log would show this. Thus, Kermit is doing exactly the right thing. Of course, if you can track down and eliminate the source of the parity bits, all the better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 11:08:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:05:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:05:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Message-Id: <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 95 17:08:28 MDT References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45e89v$2bf@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45e89v$2bf@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: >>> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated >>> when a particular string is received and ended when another string >>> is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal >>> gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or >>> OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? >>----------- >> Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit >>(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description, >>and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy >>rendition. > > I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program > that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect > protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs. But why bother when there are reasonably priced "tiny boxes" which do network printing for a variety of protocols? Those are much more reliable than an old PC sitting in the corner. > I have lots of old PC's that could be used to drive printers from > network connections but I'd like to also have a telnet session from > the same location to log into the host and control the spooler. > Does such a thing already exist? I might try it myself but I > don't have the right compiler to build kermit or NCSA telnet. > Cutcp might work, though. Is anyone maintaining it? No maintenance that I know of for years now. Joe D. > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 12:52:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:12:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:12:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Oct10.185218.63372@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 95 18:52:18 MDT References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> <45ecn3$ifr@sloth.swcp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45ecn3$ifr@sloth.swcp.com>, helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) writes: > I, too, get frequent "unknown hardware for port" errors when running > MS-Kermit in a DOS window. It is nearly 100% repeatable when I use the > CompuServe Information Manager for Windows first, but it sometimes happens > when the DOS window is my first operation. Here is the workaround I found > when we hashed it out on this newsgroup a few months ago: > > set com4 \x2e8 3 > set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. > if equal \v(port) Bios4 - > echo {Trying "set port 4" again} > if equal \v(port) Bios4 - > sleep 2, set port 4 > if equal \v(port) Bios4 - > fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} > > This has gotten MSK off and limping every time so far. I use a special > script that sets the speed at 19,200 bps, and I have optimized the DOS > window (full-screen, etc.), so that I draw only a few errors per > download. When I want reliable operation at 57,600 bps, I run MSK > from the "real" DOS. Then, it's a dream! > > (I have a 486/66, Windows 3.1, mouse on COM1, 8 megs RAM, generous swap > file, no expanded memory, no exotic TSR's.) Has it ocurred to you that there is a glaring conflict over IRQ 3 in your setup? IRQ 3 also belongs to normally COM2 so if any device has IRQ 3 engaged via jumper or soft setup is conflicting with your wanted serial port. Joe D. > -- > Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 > Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 01:21:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14998 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:21:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:21:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!usenet From: John Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: macintosh telnet kermit Date: 11 Oct 1995 01:21:31 GMT Organization: UCR, CE-CERT Lines: 8 Message-Id: <45f66r$m8r@galaxy.ucr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 138.23.180.165 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a macintosh application that allows telnet connections and supports kermit. Kermit for unix and for pc can do this, but Kermit for mac can not. Procom Plus for Windows allows telnet connections. Is there an analogous communications package for Mac that allows telnet connections. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 14:47:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:04:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:04:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 11 Oct 1995 10:47:33 -0400 Organization: panix Lines: 21 Message-Id: <45gle5$1i6@panix2.panix.com> References: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> <450nki$cku@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com> <45es0p$2uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45es0p$2uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com>, >Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: >: One minor point that bothers me. When I'm transferring files, issuing send >: and receive on both the local and remote system seems redundant; both are >: unix sytems, always. Is it possible to eliminate maybe with macros or >: scripts? If it's covered in the manual, I'll look it up when I receive it. >: >It is -- it's called "server mode". Put one Kermit program in server mode, >then it does whatever the other, "client", Kermit asks it to. Found it - although I'm still looking for more info. But it works well enough. The manual's on back order, so when it comes in I'll look for more on this. Thanks again for your help, and for the program. -- __________________________________________________________________ | | | Name: Kurt Rosenhagen Email: kjr@panix.com | |__________________________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 15:14:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:21:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!olsa99!nermal.asd.co.za!sophie.asd.co.za!not-for-mail From: anton@sophie.asd.co.za (Anton Bouwer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is Super Kermit? Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:14:29 +0200 Organization: Secure Systems Engineering, Pretoria, South Africa Lines: 12 Message-Id: <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: sophie.asd.co.za Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a press release by BananaCom dated 1995/09/08 in comp.bbs.misc they mention : >Another new development is the implementation of auto Super Kermit, which is >known to be a good protocol for file transfers across a telnet session. Can anyone tell me how Super Kermit differs from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, or where I can get more information about Super Kermit? Thanks in advance Anton Email: anton@sophie.asd.co.za From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 19:17:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:17:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:17:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is Super Kermit? Date: 11 Oct 1995 19:17:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <45h58g$2je@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za>, Anton Bouwer wrote: >In a press release by BananaCom dated 1995/09/08 in comp.bbs.misc they >mention : >>Another new development is the implementation of auto Super Kermit, which is >>known to be a good protocol for file transfers across a telnet session. > >Can anyone tell me how Super Kermit differs from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, or >where I can get more information about Super Kermit? > "Super Kermit" is a term coined elsewhere, and generally seems to refer to a Kermit implementation that includes sliding windows or long packets, but usually not both. The term "Super Kermit" is not used by the Kermit project. It is extremely unlikely that you will find a Kermit implementation that is done elsewhere that is as fast, flexible, or robust as real Kermit software. To convince yourself of this, compare Kermit transfers done by MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with those done by BananaCom. Use settings such as those described in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html for maximum speed, assuming BananaCom supports those settings, which is doubtful. Feel free to post the results here. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 12:00:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:59:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:59:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!rutgers!umdnj!ratzan From: ratzan@umdnj.edu (Lee Ratzan) Subject: kermit for apple II gs Message-Id: Summary: kermit for apple II gs Keywords: apple II Organization: Univ. of Medicine and Dentistry of NJ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:00:57 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone inform me where one may obtain a copy of Kermit suitable for an Apple II GS? A colleague has this old machine but wishes to provide Internet access for their child and cannot afford a contemporary machine. Any help is appreciated. PLEASE RESPOND DIRECTLY TO: RATZAN@UMDNJ.EDU Kermit in a DOS window. It is nearly 100% repeatable when I use the CompuServe Information Manager for Windows first, but it sometimes happens when the DOS window is my first operation. Here is the workaround I found when we hashed it out on this newsgroup a few months ago: set com4 \x2e8 3 set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. if equal \v(port) Bios4 - echo {Trying "set port 4" again} if equal \v(port) Bios4 - sleep 2, set port 4 if equal \v(port) Bios4 - fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} This has gotten MSK off and limping every time so far. I use a special script that sets the speed at 19,200 bps, and I have optimized the DOS window (full-screen, etc.), so that I draw only a few errors per download. When I want reliable operation at 57,600 bps, I run MSK from the "real" DOS. Then, it's a dream! (I have a 486/66, Windows 3.1, mouse on COM1, 8 megs RAM, generous swap file, no expanded memory, no exotic TSR's.) -- Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 17:37:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:59:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:59:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca!dddau From: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Date: 10 Oct 1995 17:37:45 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 62 Message-Id: <45eb19$1n54@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu> <458u93$o8g@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Smith (mike@post.queensu.ca) wrote: :>In article <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: :>|> In article <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :>|> > In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, :>|> > wrote: :>|> >>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut :>|> >>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a :>|> >>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it :>|> >>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: :>|> >> :>|> >>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 :>|> >>Unimplemented speed :>|> >>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts :>|> ----------- :>|> I have a suggestion for those afflicted with the above message. :>|> Open the Windows Control Panel, choose Ports, tell Windows the IRQ and :>|> port address of your COMx ports, restart Windows. Brave souls may wish :>|> to further configure Windows to cope with 16550A UARTs, according to :>|> whatever MS Windows instructions you happen to have. :>|> I ran quick tests of MSK under WFW 3.11 here, and using serial :>|> ports was clean every time. I had done the above. :>... snip ... :>Joe may be on to something here. I use Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and :>I have an external modem on COM2. I find that I can consistently force :>the unknown hardware warning when I: :> - turn the modem off :> - start Windows :> - turn the modem on :> - start Kermit :>There may be other scenarios that cause the error. I don't know because :>I put a macro in my mscustom.ini file that tests for the failure and :>sleeps 2 seconds and reissues the set port command. On my PC this always :>clears the error so I've stopped wondering about it. That's consistent with my experience under Win 3.1/3.11. The other thing I found under my configuration (external USR Sportster 14.4K) is that if the modem is switched on BEFORE I power up the PC or switched on AFTER I launch MSK then the port (com2 in my case) does seem to be consistently recognized. :>However, I followed Joe's suggestion and used the Windows Control Panel :>Ports item to explicitly set the COM1 and COM2 values in my system.ini. :>Before doing this, the file had no values for these two ports but did :>have entries for COM3 and COM4 (which do not in fact exist). After :>exiting and restarting Windows I still got the unknown hardware warning. :>I then exited Windows and edited system.ini to delete the bogus entries :>for COM3 and COM4. Rerunning the test described above I did not get the :>warning. I'd done this a long while ago when I originally had the problem but "training" the control pannel really didn't affect behavior for me (although I've left things set up there properly since the "tidyness" makes me feel better). -- Doug Dau Internet: dddau@acs.ucalgary.ca University Computing Services Phone: 403-220-6217 University of Calgary Fax: 403-282-9199 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 13:27:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:39:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:39:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!delmarva.com!udel!darwin.sura.net!ukma!ukcc.uky.edu!JJSTEP00 From: JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu (Jason Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for BeBox? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 17:27:09 EDT Organization: The University of Kentucky Lines: 2 Message-Id: <17434F56DS86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ukcc.uky.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is anyone out there working on a port of Kermit to BeBox? If not, then I may just have to volunteer for that one. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 19:10:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:21:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:20:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!pc32.physiology.uwo.ca!rburgess From: rburgess@physiology.uwo.ca (Ron Burgess) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "CLEAN" Telnet Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 19:10:13 GMT Organization: Physiology Dept., UWO Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pc32.physiology.uwo.ca Summary: "CLEAN" Telnet X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to capture the clean text from several screens using Kermit. If I connect to our VAX/VMS host and log the session to a redirected printer file, everything works. If I connect to a Unix host I get all the ANSI escape codes embedded in the file NO MATTER WHAT I DO. If I connect to the Unix host with the terminal type set to none, the screen displays all the codes that end up in the file. I know absolutely nothing about Unix, but it seems to me that the Unix host is defaulting to one particular terminal type and sending the codes for it . Is there anything I can do to remedy this ??? Thanks for all the help. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 12 02:56:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:35:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:35:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Date: 11 Oct 1995 21:56:18 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 27 Message-Id: <45i04i$1s2@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45e89v$2bf@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program >> that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect >> protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs. > > But why bother when there are reasonably priced "tiny boxes" >which do network printing for a variety of protocols? Those are much >more reliable than an old PC sitting in the corner. I have a couple of extenuating circumstances. First, the PC's in question have run for years with no problems, so reliability isn't much of an issue. Also, they have old 1M Starlan cards we have a 10-1 bridge which makes them transparently accessable using wiring that is already in place where the little boxes would take more ports off the 10BaseT hubs. But, aside from that, I run a custom print spooler with a curses-based interface that makes it easy to feed single sheets and control different forms on the same printer, so I like having a terminal near the printers. Making one free box do it all just seems like a good idea. Pprd over a packet driver works fine for the printers, kermit over a packet driver makes a nice terminal, and neither is much of a load even for an old 8086. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 01:33:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:57:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:57:42 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Message-Id: <1995Oct12.013317.19979@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45e89v$2bf@mercury.mcs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:33:17 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45e89v$2bf@mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >In article <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu>, >Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: >>> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated >>> when a particular string is received and ended when another string >>> is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal >>> gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or >>> OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? >>----------- >> Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit >>(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description, >>and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy >>rendition. Could you give the location for setting OS/2 to do this. I really have a need for this option. I do have the CKERMIT book but cannot find a reference to printing under OS/2 through the vt terminal. Thanks a million. Helen From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 14:52:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20081 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:43:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:43:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Date: 12 Oct 1995 10:52:07 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, New Jersey, USA Lines: 9 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. Am I missing something ? Atiq From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 17:45:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20364 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:45:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:45:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "CLEAN" Telnet Date: 12 Oct 1995 17:45:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <45jk6u$7e4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ron Burgess wrote: : I need to capture the clean text from several screens using Kermit. If : I connect to our VAX/VMS host and log the session to a redirected : printer file, everything works. If I connect to a Unix host I get all : the ANSI escape codes embedded in the file NO MATTER WHAT I DO. If I : connect to the Unix host with the terminal type set to none, the screen : displays all the codes that end up in the file. I know absolutely : nothing about Unix, but it seems to me that the Unix host is defaulting : to one particular terminal type and sending the codes for it . Is there : anything I can do to remedy this ??? : Lots of things. Start by consulting the Kermit FAQ at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt This question is discussed in item 19. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 07:28:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:37:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:37:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Control chars to prefix for rlogin? Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom2.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <1995Oct10.115354.29235@chemabs.uucp> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 07:28:50 GMT Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Cc to poster.] Thank you for your helpful response. In article <1995Oct10.115354.29235@chemabs.uucp>, "Steven W. Layten" wrote: >rlogin uses (by default) an escape character of a '~'. I don't think that >ms-kermit or C-Kermit will allow you to escape this char, as it is a >printable character. I have found, however, that transfers from >pc-->unix->unix, where the pc->unix link is via ms-kermit and the unix->unix >link is via rlogin that the transfers failed when ms-kermit did its >'compression' by replacing repeating chars with a run-length encoded string >(the normal 'compression' char is '~' and the run-length was such that it >was represented by another '~', that the two '~' chars together were changed >by rlogin to a single '~', causing check-sum failures. Sorry, I neglected to mention in my previous post that I'm transferring (pkzip) compressed binary files. I seriously doubt that Kermit will find many repeating chars. However, my test file is well seasoned with ~ chars, and this may indeed be causing transfers to fail. Makes sense, when they work host --> PC. >Bottom line: tell rlogin to use a different escape character by using the >'-ec' flag (see man rlogin(1)). In my case, I've got a terminal server in >the path that uses control-x as an escape char, so I have to tell ms-kermit >to escape control-x anyway, so I tell rlogin to use control-x as the escape >character. I wasn't able to get my shell (tcsh) to accept a control char for -e on the command line, however I was able to sneak it in the back door by aliasing a command. However, this strategy didn't work-- the PC --> my host --> rlogin'd host transfer still failed: I wound up back at the shell prompt, and C-Kermit turned up as a suspended job. (Note: ^Z is in my list of chars to prefix because that is the suspend char on both my account and the one I'm rlogging into. Transfers will fail if it's not prefixed.) I also tried ^X, and the results were exactly the same. Suggestions would be *very* welcome! BTW, I don't know if this is significant, but after a failed transfer, I always wind up with a 0-byte file on the remote host named }}.sfm#Wxn. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 21:58:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:49:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:49:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mp.cs.niu.edu!mp!t90kxs1 From: Srinivas Krishnamurthy Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit-370 sliding window Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:58:32 -0500 Organization: Northern Illinois University Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: mp.cs.niu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: t90kxs1@mp Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Q1. Does IBM SYSTEM/370 MVS/TSO KERMIT ver 4.3.1 support sliding windows? Q2. Has anyone got kermit to transfer files in non-fullscreen mode over SprintNet (formerly Telenet) lines? Q3. What are the most effecient settings for such a transfer with IBM system/370 kermit ver 4.3.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? Any ideas and information are appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Srinivas Krishnamurthy t90kxs1@mp.cs.niu.edu Washington National Insurance http://mp.cs.niu.edu:8000/~t90kxs1 Work (708) 620-7159 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 03:48:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:49:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:49:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Message-Id: <1995Oct12.094853.63500@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 09:48:53 MDT References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45i04i$1s2@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45i04i$1s2@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program >>> that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect >>> protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs. >> >> But why bother when there are reasonably priced "tiny boxes" >>which do network printing for a variety of protocols? Those are much >>more reliable than an old PC sitting in the corner. > > I have a couple of extenuating circumstances. First, the PC's in > question have run for years with no problems, so reliability isn't > much of an issue. Also, they have old 1M Starlan cards we have > a 10-1 bridge which makes them transparently accessable using wiring > that is already in place where the little boxes would take more > ports off the 10BaseT hubs. But, aside from that, I run a custom > print spooler with a curses-based interface that makes it easy to > feed single sheets and control different forms on the same > printer, so I like having a terminal near the printers. Making one > free box do it all just seems like a good idea. Pprd over a packet > driver works fine for the printers, kermit over a packet driver > makes a nice terminal, and neither is much of a load even for > an old 8086. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com ------------- Sigh. Les, you imply that the Kermit project should spend development time and effort to be a print server. And the reason seems to be you have this rather unique combination of old gear and tailored techniques. Might I be so bold as to suggest spending your money to modernize your system for the long run, rather than us spending our money for your niche situation? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 03:57:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27827 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:50:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:50:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "CLEAN" Telnet Message-Id: <1995Oct12.095706.63503@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 09:57:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rburgess@physiology.uwo.ca (Ron Burgess) writes: > I need to capture the clean text from several screens using Kermit. If I > connect to our VAX/VMS host and log the session to a redirected printer > file, everything works. If I connect to a Unix host I get all the ANSI escape > codes embedded in the file NO MATTER WHAT I DO. > If I connect to the Unix host with the terminal type set to none, the > screen displays all the codes that end up in the file. I know absolutely > nothing about Unix, but it seems to me that the Unix host is defaulting to > one particular terminal type and sending the codes for it . Is there anything > I can do to remedy this ??? > > Thanks for all the help. -------------- There are two ways of printing during VTxxx terminal emulation, as described briefly below from distribution file MSVIBM.VT. The codes are those received by the terminal emulator. CSI Pn i MC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 0 Print whole Screen 4 Exit printer controller (transparent print) 5 Enter printer controller (transparent print) Transparent printing sends all output, except the CSI 4 i termination string, to the printer and not the screen, uses an 8-bit channel if no parity so NUL and DEL will be seen by the printer and by the termination recognizer code, and all translation and character set selections are bypassed. CSI ? Pn i MC DEC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 1 Print line containing cursor 4 Exit autoprint (stop echoing to printer) 5 Enter autoprint (echo screen chars to printer) Autoprint prints a final display line only when the cursor is moved off the line by an autowrap or LF, FF, or VT (otherwise do not print the line). The keyboard verb \Kprtscn (defaults to Control-PrintScrn key combo) also invokes controller printing (the line by line flavor). It's a toggle. You can redirect printing by Kermit command SET PRINTER . LOG SESSION is NOT a printing method. It is a total capture of the incoming data stream. For your Unix system I strongly recommend talking with its system manager. Be sure the terminal type matches that being emulated by Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 19:56:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:56:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:56:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Date: 12 Oct 1995 19:56:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <45jru0$ekc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net>, Atiqullah Hashmi wrote: > >Hi, > >In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting >some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. ^^^^^^^^^^^ 01 111 111 >It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. >Am I missing something ? Now do you see it? >Atiq Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 20:05:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:05:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:05:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Date: 12 Oct 1995 20:05:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <45jsdi$f1v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> <45jru0$ekc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45jru0$ekc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >In article <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net>, >Atiqullah Hashmi wrote: >> >>Hi, >> >>In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting >>some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. >>It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. >>Am I missing something ? > The characters being sent are probably being stored in something larger than a byte. Perhaps a 16bit or 32bit int. In which case the value might not be an 8-bit char. So 377 will strip it down to size. Another possibility is that the 377 is assigned to a variable which is used as a mask. Sometimes to allow 8-bit data, other times to allow 7-bit data. PS Ignore my previous post. It was very wrong. I must be really burned out. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 09:53:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:13:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:13:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is Super Kermit? Message-Id: <1995Oct11.155304.63455@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Oct 95 15:53:04 MDT References: <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za>, anton@sophie.asd.co.za (Anton Bouwer) writes: > In a press release by BananaCom dated 1995/09/08 in comp.bbs.misc they > mention : >>Another new development is the implementation of auto Super Kermit, which is >>known to be a good protocol for file transfers across a telnet session. > > Can anyone tell me how Super Kermit differs from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, or > where I can get more information about Super Kermit? > > Thanks in advance > > Anton > Email: anton@sophie.asd.co.za ------------- We can't but maybe that vendor would like to say something. I've had one experience with a thing by that name some years ago and it was a disaster. It violated the Kermit protocol (and common sense). Consequently it can't be said to use the Kermit protocol. Note that Columbia Kermits have been transfering files with the Kermit protocol over many kinds of networks for years. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 00:34:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:34:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:34:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit-370 sliding window Date: 13 Oct 1995 00:34:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <45kc62$sp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Srinivas Krishnamurthy wrote: >Q1. Does IBM SYSTEM/370 MVS/TSO KERMIT ver 4.3.1 support sliding windows? > No. That's because the underlying operating system does not support full-duplex communication, which is a prerequisite for sliding windows. >Q2. Has anyone got kermit to transfer files in non-fullscreen mode over > SprintNet (formerly Telenet) lines? > I believe so, but it's always best to get a direct answer from someone who has actually done it. It might be as simple as telling the Kermit program on your end to "do ibm-linemode", which is a built-in macro in C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit, whose definition is: set parity mark set flow none set handshake xon ; or set local-echo on set duplex half If mark parity doesn't do it, try even. >Q3. What are the most effecient settings for such a transfer with > IBM system/370 kermit ver 4.3.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? > The answer to questions like this always depends on the particulars of the connection, including all the devices, drivers, boxes, converters, front ends, and so forth from one end to the other, and probably also the load on the TSO system and its front end, not to mention the PC's speed, TSR population, and myriad other configuration items (disk caching, etc) that Kermit must work under. If we knew ideal AND foolproof settings, they would be the ones used by default. We do know "foolproof", and they *are* the default (provided you get the communications basics like parity, etc, right), but "ideal" always requires some experimentation. It's the old tradeoff -- speed versus dependability. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 19:23:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:54:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:54:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!llyene!news From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct10.192339.7210@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory References: <1995Oct9.145756.63193@cc.usu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:23:39 GMT Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article 63193@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>> How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any >>>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). >>>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? >> >> COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded. > > Whoa! Please read the release docs which are packaged with MSK. >It appears that you have an IRQ conflict with COM2. If that's true, why don't other comm programs have any difficulty? And why does MSK have a problem before I ever get around to telling it about COM4? >> It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell >> it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt >> and watch one line come out every few seconds. > > That's DOS doing the DIR command for Kermit. That means your machine >is in trouble from causes which we can't see from here. My mistake. The DIR output comes out at normal speed, but when it finishes, it takes about 30 seconds before the Kermit prompt appears. Jeffrey Altman plausibly suggested that something broken in my system/setup might be confusing MSK's efforts to run well-behaved under various multitasking and/or protected mode environments, even though I'm not using one. Perhaps another clue - I just noticed that the short beep (end of POST?) during bootup is lower pitched than it used to be - most, but not every, time the system is booted. Maybe the PC is just plain, uh, croaking... --- "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 13:30:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:33:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:33:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct12.193022.63570@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 19:30:22 MDT References: <1995Oct10.215016.63383@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct12.144015.22894@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct12.144015.22894@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes: > In article 63383@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> I dunno, it's your box. > > I'm pretty sure you're right - I ran some diagnostics (ASQ that came with > 386MAX that came with MS C 7.0) to see what it had to say about my serial > ports and IRQs, and buried in the output I found: > > CPU Speed = 0.9 MHz ---------- Oh my. At this point half the Internet would pounce and say: running Win95 by any chance? But I wouldn't do that. Yup, somethings broken. At the price of motherboards these days it's probably economically realistic to replace it without much further thought. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 16:24:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:48:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:48:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!socrates.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems With "DISABLE CD" On VMS Server Date: 7 Oct 1995 16:24:04 GMT Organization: Pacific Internet, Singapore Lines: 31 Message-Id: <4569j4$h3h@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, We are using C-Kermit 5A(190) on our Vax VMS System. I wrote a script to prompt the user when I press CTL-ALT-F3 to download files from SYS$LOGIN ie VMS C-Kermit in 'server' mode, PC 'gets' file. Our system administrator (VMS) entered the following commands in the global .INI file (CKERMIT.INI): disable cd disable host disable passwd disable help Apparantly, he could do a CTL-ATL-F3 and get the file, but our users are not able to do so. When the DISABLE CD is removed, all is fine. Does one need special privileges to get files even with DISABLE CD on? One more question: Can I put all the DISABLES in one line? Thanks Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 15:50:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 03:59:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 03:59:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct10.215016.63383@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 95 21:50:16 MDT References: <1995Oct9.145756.63193@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct10.192339.7210@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct10.192339.7210@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes: > In article 63193@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>>> How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any >>>>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). >>>>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? >>> >>> COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded. >> >> Whoa! Please read the release docs which are packaged with MSK. >>It appears that you have an IRQ conflict with COM2. > > If that's true, why don't other comm programs have any difficulty? And why > does MSK have a problem before I ever get around to telling it about COM4? Trying to put this into historical perspective without remembering the history... The other programs very likely do NO CHECKING. You are the beneficiary, so to speak. Once again, if your startup script has any command which requires going to the comms channel to answer then the serial port may be opened. The default port is COM1. >>> It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell >>> it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt >>> and watch one line come out every few seconds. >> >> That's DOS doing the DIR command for Kermit. That means your machine >>is in trouble from causes which we can't see from here. > > My mistake. The DIR output comes out at normal speed, but when it finishes, > it takes about 30 seconds before the Kermit prompt appears. That's not Kermit. That's your system. I can't begin to guess on this one. > Jeffrey Altman plausibly suggested that something broken in my system/setup > might be confusing MSK's efforts to run well-behaved under various > multitasking and/or protected mode environments, even though I'm not using >one. Wait a sec. Are you now saying that you are not running DOS, but are using OS/2 or some unusual DOS setup? Maybe you have a MODE command with a serial port and a /P switch on it? That's discussed in the Kermit release material. > > Perhaps another clue - I just noticed that the short beep (end of POST?) > during bootup is lower pitched than it used to be - most, but not every, > time the system is booted. Maybe the PC is just plain, uh, croaking... Or maybe past tense croaking. I dunno, it's your box. Get together the required three humans to threaten the machine into cooperation, and please don't forget the sacrifical chickens. On the other hand, read the tiny manual for your machine and discover the cpu speed fast/slow controls. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 14:40:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 04:28:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 04:28:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!llyene!news From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct12.144015.22894@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory References: <1995Oct10.215016.63383@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:40:15 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article 63383@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > I dunno, it's your box. I'm pretty sure you're right - I ran some diagnostics (ASQ that came with 386MAX that came with MS C 7.0) to see what it had to say about my serial ports and IRQs, and buried in the output I found: CPU Speed = 0.9 MHz I had a snapshot of the same diagnostic from 4/95 showing the correct speed of 25MHZ, so something has indeed failed. The system doesn't run any slower than it used to in general, and the DOS time-of-day is updating normally, but some timing or interrupt circuit must have gone south. >> Jeffrey Altman plausibly suggested that something broken in my system/setup >> might be confusing MSK's efforts to run well-behaved under various >> multitasking and/or protected mode environments, even though I'm not using one. > Wait a sec. Are you now saying that you are not running DOS, but > are using OS/2 or some unusual DOS setup? Nope. I said I'm not using a PM setup, but vanilla MSDOS. I still like the hypothesis that Kermit is stumbling over broken hardware that older and less clever software is simply ignoring. > Maybe you have a MODE command with a serial port and a /P switch on it? Nope. >On the other hand, read the >tiny manual for your machine and discover the cpu speed fast/slow controls. "Turbo" mode has no effect on this problem, if that's what you mean. Anyway, sorry to rile you guys up for nothing. And thanks for the suggestions. --- "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 11:46:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:55:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:55:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!gw2.att.com!oucsboss!piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu!undetermined From: "Richard D. Piccard" Subject: Re: macintosh telnet kermit X-Nntp-Posting-Host: piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Sender: postmaster@piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Wed Oct 11 07:46:56 1995 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Computer Services - Ohio University References: <45f66r$m8r@galaxy.ucr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:46:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:45f66r$m8r@galaxy.ucr.edu Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu John Collins wrote: >I'm looking for a macintosh application that allows >telnet connections and supports kermit. Kermit for >unix and for pc can do this, but Kermit for mac can not. >Procom Plus for Windows allows telnet connections. Is there >an analogous communications package for Mac that allows >telnet connections. > > VersaTerm comes with a TELNET tool and support both BINARY and TEXT KERMIT file transfer. The only wierdness we have seen is a miserable throughput when using LAT tool instead of TELNET. This is with a several-years-old LAT tool, so we are not yet prepared to point fingers. VersaTerm Pro costs about twice as much as VersaTerm. The only difference I know of is that the Pro version emulates more and fancier Tektronix graphics terminals, so don't buy it unless you need those. ================================================================== Dick Piccard Academic Technology Manager Computer Services piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Ohio University From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 02:28:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:18:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:18:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: remote directory and such Message-Id: <1995Oct13.082825.63619@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 95 08:28:25 MDT References: <45k2jv$8f1@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45k2jv$8f1@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>, ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) writes: > I posted a few weeks ago with some Questions about MS-Kermit and C-Kermit > and our server went down right after I posted. I don't know if anybody > replied, since I never saw any replies. Thanks to all who replied anyway. > I just wanted you to know I am not the ungrateful kind, who takes answers > and never says thanks, I just never got a chance to see the answers. > > Anyway, on to my new questions. > > Here is what I am doing: > > I have a DOS box that is hoooked to a UNIX 4.2 box via a serial cable. I use > MS-Kermit to log on the UNIX system and then use C-kermit to put the DOS > box into server mode. This allows me to do a number of things, first and > for most, it allows me to get a directory listing from the DOS side. I need > that directory listing on the UNIX side. > > Problems is that I can only get listings of the current directory and its > sub-directory, but not of any other directories. So, if c:\mskermit is > the current directory on the DOS machine, a remote dir command will give > me a listing of c:\mskermit. Remote dir subdir1 will list the files in > c:\mskermit\subdir1. But, remote dir c:\subdir will also give a listing of > c:\mskermit. > > Any ideas? Am I missing something very basic here, or is the a bug in Kermit > 3.13 I don't know about? --------------- As I recall, that's a bug in MSK v3.13 having to do with ensuring a "\" path separator is always present. Alas, it could be inserted twice and confuse DOS. The industry standard advice applies here "Please upgrade to the latest version." Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 04:09:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:04:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:04:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.ios.com!ferchaa From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address? Date: 13 Oct 1995 04:09:56 GMT Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mary.iia.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a local e-mail address and a Unizx account in another state. Ascii text is easy to mail to myself but getting files is darn near impossible. I've tried FTP by mai..but I think servers keep changing and I've lost interest as it has continually not worked...plus the delay of cueing mean I try and wait , etc. So I looked at Kermit which will run from the Unix server. I log on to the Unix through gopher/telnet and then can start Kermit. If I could get Kermit to encode and then send the uuencoded file to my mail that would really help! Or any other method might be nice :)! Thank you Andre From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 12:41:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:57:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:57:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address? Message-Id: <1995Oct13.184115.63714@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 95 18:41:15 MDT References: <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com>, ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) writes: > I have a local e-mail address and a Unizx account in another state. > Ascii text is easy to mail to myself but getting files is darn near > impossible. > > I've tried FTP by mai..but I think servers keep changing and I've lost > interest as it has continually not worked...plus the delay of cueing mean > I try and wait , etc. > > So I looked at Kermit which will run from the Unix server. I log on to > the Unix through gopher/telnet and then can start Kermit. If I could get > Kermit to encode and then send the uuencoded file to my mail that would > really help! > > > Or any other method might be nice :)! > Thank you > Andre -------------- Have you considered the straight forward method of Kermit to Kermit file transfers? They work, text and binary, 7 or 8-bit channels, no uuencode necessary. I don't know the kind of local machine you are using, but there's a Columbia Kermit for it. Please see kermit.columiba.edu for the master archive. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 10:48:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Message-Id: <1995Oct12.164840.63558@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 16:48:40 MDT References: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net>, hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) writes: > Hi, > > In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting > some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. > It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. > Am I missing something ? > > Atiq ---------- I don't understand what your question is. If it's not about Kermit then perhaps one of the other News groups is a better place to inquire. Joe D. at I am doing: I have a DOS box that is hoooked to a UNIX 4.2 box via a serial cable. I use MS-Kermit to log on the UNIX system and then use C-kermit to put the DOS box into server mode. This allows me to do a number of things, first and for most, it allows me to get a directory listing from the DOS side. I need that directory listing on the UNIX side. Problems is that I can only get listings of the current directory and its sub-directory, but not of any other directories. So, if c:\mskermit is the current directory on the DOS machine, a remote dir command will give me a listing of c:\mskermit. Remote dir subdir1 will list the files in c:\mskermit\subdir1. But, remote dir c:\subdir will also give a listing of c:\mskermit. Any ideas? Am I missing something very basic here, or is the a bug in Kermit 3.13 I don't know about? Thanks for any replies to here or by e-mail. I will post the specific commands I use, if necessary. Ute -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a game that must be played. The rules of the games are known to us as the Laws of Nature. e-mail: uwillmore@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 16:03:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto-TCP/IP addresses Message-Id: <1995Oct12.220351.63588@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 22:03:51 MDT References: <45jkf0$5i3@bug.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45jkf0$5i3@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > I have been using bootp from a Unixware 1.1.3 server to set the TCP address > on MSKermit 3.14. This is a little tedious when adding new PC, but it's > okay. > Now I have a PC that has been in use for Novell, with IPXODI, just like all > the others, but had not been used for Kermit. > It doesn't want to play with bootp... > > The sequence I had been following was to manually set tcp addr to an unused > address, login to UNIX, run arp-a to find the hardware address, and edit my > bootptab. > > Following that scenario with this machine leaves me with an in.bootpd > running, but MSKermit times out. > > Is there debugging for bootp, like there is for the telnet session? > > I recall seeing a script to assign TCP addresses for MSKermit, but I can't > locate that now. I thought I had saved it, but used bootp instead. > If I could find the script, I'd just use it. We don't care about the > addresses used, and only have two UNIX boxes on the net. > > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. ------------ I don't follow you. To use bootp with MSK say SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP. To use Kermit over ODI please see the release docs for example NET.CFG files. IPXODI is Novell-only; it is not part of ODI though it uses ODI the same as Kermit does. A NetWare server or any other IP router carrying bootp requests off the local wire requires a bootp helper to route the request and the response; see netlab2.usu.edu, cd misc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 17:49:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Auto-TCP/IP addresses Date: 12 Oct 1995 17:49:20 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 25 Message-Id: <45jkf0$5i3@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using bootp from a Unixware 1.1.3 server to set the TCP address on MSKermit 3.14. This is a little tedious when adding new PC, but it's okay. Now I have a PC that has been in use for Novell, with IPXODI, just like all the others, but had not been used for Kermit. It doesn't want to play with bootp... The sequence I had been following was to manually set tcp addr to an unused address, login to UNIX, run arp-a to find the hardware address, and edit my bootptab. Following that scenario with this machine leaves me with an in.bootpd running, but MSKermit times out. Is there debugging for bootp, like there is for the telnet session? I recall seeing a script to assign TCP addresses for MSKermit, but I can't locate that now. I thought I had saved it, but used bootp instead. If I could find the script, I'd just use it. We don't care about the addresses used, and only have two UNIX boxes on the net. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 19:20:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 07:58:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 07:58:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!snert!flatlin!bad From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura) Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:20:26 GMT Message-Id: References: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> Followup-To: comp.lang.c Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why "Distribution: usa?" Do you think we Europeans can't answer that question? In <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) writes: >In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting >some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. >It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. Assuming that your communications software is written in C I can think of two possible reasons. 1) Assuring that it is indeed an 8 bit character. The C language doesn't specify the number of bits in a char. (Ansi C provides the CHAR_BIT (sp?) #defined constant, though.) I believe some machines had 9 bit characters. 2) KNR C parameter passing. In KNR C there's no way to pass a char parameter to a function. It gets automatically promoted to int. Further, chars might be signed or unsigned quantities. If a "signed" char has the high bit set it is sign-extended when passed to function or assigned to an int. -- Christoph Badura bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org +49 721 606137 Es genuegt nicht, keine Gedanken zu haben; man muss auch unfaehig sein, sie auszudruecken. - Karl Kraus From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 14 23:05:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 21:40:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 21:40:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!vodka.intele.net!usenet From: Gerry Jensen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to make kermit answer? Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:05:15 -0700 Organization: inteleNET Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: green.intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to transfer files between 2 PCs using Kermit over the phone. What do I need to do to make one of the Kermits answer the phone? Thanks, Gerry gerry@blue.intele.net From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 12:43:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:47:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:47:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VAX VMS Message-Id: <1995Oct13.184312.63715@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 95 18:43:12 MDT References: <45m28r$pft@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45m28r$pft@ns1.nba.TRW.COM>, Karen Hunter writes: > I would like to know where I can get > Kermit for a VAX VMS system. We have a > product on our system called VMS Kermit-32, with > no documentation, just the executable file. > > I would like to up/download files from my > Macintosh using White Knight s/w and Kermit > on the Vax. > > Can anyone help me? > Thanks, > Karen Hunter ---------------- Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/ckermit. There are ready-built versions of CKermit (which is what you want) for VMS variations. Choose one that fits. Please do discard that ancient Bliss Kermit-32 item; it is far outclassed by the current C Kermit 5A(190). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 00:23:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:03:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:03:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!info.bta.net.cn!usenet From: ymgao@sun.ihep.ac.cn Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 15 Oct 1995 00:23:11 GMT Organization: Beijing Telegraph Administration Lines: 8 Message-Id: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> Nntp-Posting-Host: ts1-28.bta.net.cn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Who can help me for getting dos kermit c source code? I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code via archie or net serach. Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 00:02:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 01:55:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 01:55:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!news.ridgecrest.ca.us!owens!mbguest From: mbguest@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew Guest) Subject: MSKERMIT and CGA graphics X-Nntp-Posting-Host: owens Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ridgecrest.ca.us (Ridgenet Usenet admin) Organization: RidgeNet - SLIP/PPP Internet, Ridgecrest, CA. (619) 371-3501 I have been trying to get mskermit 3.14 to work with an old Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:02:40 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 01:31:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05119 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 02:00:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 02:00:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!brutus.bright.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.ios.com!ferchaa From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit uuencode and send to mail Date: 15 Oct 1995 01:31:37 GMT Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <45po9p$qpn@news.ios.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mary.iia.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Same as above message. :) Need to encode (I think) some bianary files and send to mail only local servcer. Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 15:57:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.trw.com!news2.trw.com!ns1.nba.trw.com!news From: Karen Hunter Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for VAX VMS Date: 13 Oct 1995 15:57:15 GMT Organization: TRW Lines: 14 Message-Id: <45m28r$pft@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: khunter.sp.TRW.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc/3598-3601 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to know where I can get Kermit for a VAX VMS system. We have a product on our system called VMS Kermit-32, with no documentation, just the executable file. I would like to up/download files from my Macintosh using White Knight s/w and Kermit on the Vax. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Karen Hunter From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 13:28:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Two problems with OS/2 ckermit. Message-Id: <1995Oct13.132845.22184@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:28:45 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have two problems with OS/2 ckermit, and I have looked into the ckermit manual. We are connected to a vax main frame and I use vt220 emulation. The program that I use on the mainframe has an option to print to a device. One of the devices is to printer attached to the pc. WHen you using this option I get nothing but garbage in ckermit for os2, but it works like a charm with the terminal program that comes with windoze. Any ideals. Also when trying to capture data, I get all the vt control characters. How can you get a clean screen or data caputre. Thanks, Helen From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 19:00:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Mail Command Question Date: 13 Oct 1995 12:00:34 -0700 Organization: Pacifier, public access Internet site. 360-693-0325 Lines: 11 Message-Id: <45md0i$ek4@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does Kermit's "Mail" command allow multiple addressees? Is there a way to influence any of the RFC-822 message headers? Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ /* PGP2.6.2 PUBLIC KEY available via finger or PGP key server */ ... A meeting is an event at which the minutes are kept and the hours are lost. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 19:34:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26032 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto-TCP/IP addresses Date: 13 Oct 1995 19:34:29 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 Message-Id: <45mf05$cpa@bug.rahul.net> References: <45jkf0$5i3@bug.rahul.net> <1995Oct12.220351.63588@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : I don't follow you. To use bootp with MSK say SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP. I do "set tcp address bootp" in all of my PCs. The latest one doesn't want to play, though. Since I don't particularly care which PC gets which address, I thought I would use the script that was posted here to "assign" TCP addresses on the fly. I don't recall the logic involved with that script. I think I will just put a "set tcp addr ..." appropriately in each PC in individual mscustom.ini files. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 16:49:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:49:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:49:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Two problems with OS/2 ckermit. Date: 15 Oct 1995 16:49:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <45re3g$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Oct13.132845.22184@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct13.132845.22184@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >I have two problems with OS/2 ckermit, and I have looked into the ckermit >manual. > What version of OS/2 C-Kermit? The current version is 5A(191): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip >We are connected to a vax main frame and I use vt220 emulation. The program >that I use on the mainframe has an option to print to a device. One of the >devices is to printer attached to the pc. WHen you using this option I get >nothing but garbage in ckermit for os2, but it works like a charm with the >terminal program that comes with windoze. Any ideals. > First make sure you have the current version. Then if there is still a problem, collect a session log, uuencode it, and mail it to: kermit-support@columbia.edu >Also when trying to capture data, I get all the vt control characters. How >can you get a clean screen or data caputre. > Use SET PRINTER to redirect your printer to a file, and then use screen capture or controller print (documented in the CKERMIT.INF file, which you can view using C-Kermit's built-in UPDATES command). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 16:57:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:57:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:57:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Mail Command Question Date: 15 Oct 1995 16:57:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <45reid$fk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45md0i$ek4@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45md0i$ek4@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman wrote: >Does Kermit's "Mail" command allow multiple addressees? > Yes. Just separate them by commas. >Is there a way to influence any of the RFC-822 message headers? > No. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 17:00:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:00:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:00:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to make kermit answer? Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:00:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-Id: <45renv$ol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net>, Gerry Jensen wrote: >I want to transfer files between 2 PCs using Kermit over the >phone. What do I need to do to make one of the Kermits answer >the phone? > This is covered in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Chapter 11, pages 113-118. Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 17:06:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:06:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:06:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:06:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <45rf27$ts@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn>, wrote: >Who can help me for getting dos kermit c source code? >I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code >via archie or net serach. > Believe it or not, MS-DOS Kermit is not written in C. It is written primarily in 8086 assembly language. I wonder why you want the source code. Would it have anything to do with Chinese language support? If so, you should read the article in Kermit News #6 called "Circumnavigating the Web with MS-DOS Kermit". Among other things, it tells how to do Chinese terminal emulation with MS-DOS Kermit. Also, you might be interested that an older version of MS-DOS Kermit, 2.32, was completely converted to Chinese language to run under CC-DOS at Zhezhiang University. You can read about this in Kermit News #5. Kermit News issues are available as follows: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/news.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/news*.txt (and .ps) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 17:08:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:08:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:08:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit uuencode and send to mail Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:08:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <45rf72$vg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45po9p$qpn@news.ios.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45po9p$qpn@news.ios.com>, Andre Ferchau wrote: >Same as above message. :) >Need to encode (I think) some bianary files and send to mail only local >servcer. > No, Kermit cannot uuencode. But yes, it can send files as mail, using the MAIL command, with a Kermit program in SERVER or RECEIVE mode on the other end. Unfortunately, most mail clients cannot deal directly with binary files. So you will have to uuencode binary files first before you mail them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 05:19:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 95 11:19:35 MDT References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn>, ymgao@sun.ihep.ac.cn writes: > Who can help me for getting dos kermit c source code? > I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code > via archie or net serach. ----------- The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus one can't steal the source code without legal agreement. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 05:25:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address? Message-Id: <1995Oct15.112528.63790@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 95 11:25:28 MDT References: <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com> <1995Oct13.184115.63714@cc.usu.edu> <45pcjc$jd9@news.ios.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45pcjc$jd9@news.ios.com>, ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) writes: > I wasn't clear enough.. I have only EMAIL or the local machine...no > kermit. Hence the problem. > > I've tried Kermit through Gopher, but I don't think the 8 bits get > through and when I've started a Telnet connection with 'Binary' it chokes. > > Simply said There I have a Unix account, here I have E-mail only. ------------ Please tell me what Kermit has to do with the situation. You have Email only, and Kermit is not an Email program. Email is not an interactive situation (so do you really mean Email?) You should consider finding an FTPMAIL site which will mail you binary files in uuencoded form or use just ftp. Otherwise, I suggest you contact the system manager of the Unix machine about giving you interactive access. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 05:27:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to make kermit answer? Message-Id: <1995Oct15.112708.63791@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 95 11:27:07 MDT References: <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net>, Gerry Jensen writes: > I want to transfer files between 2 PCs using Kermit over the > phone. What do I need to do to make one of the Kermits answer > the phone? > > Thanks, > Gerry > gerry@blue.intele.net ----------- Your modem has to answer the call. Please read the release documentation shipped with Kermit, and the manual for your modem. See the modem's ATS0=digit command. See Kermit's SERVER command. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 20:23:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:15:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:15:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!its.hooked.net!usenet From: bmorg@hooked.net (Byron Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit? Date: 15 Oct 1995 20:23:00 GMT Organization: Hooked Online Services Lines: 8 Message-Id: <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net> Reply-To: bmorg@hooked.net (Byron Morgan) Nntp-Posting-Host: also.hooked.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to convert a Procomm program I wrote to C-Kermit. An essential part of the script checks several specific screen addresses for content, looking for updates. Procomm has a function (termgets) for this, but I am unable to locate any such in "Using C-Kermit". Any hints would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Byron Morgan, San Francisco From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 14 22:06:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:04:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:04:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU!herrera From: herrera@canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Ramon F Herrera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: kermit: please don't drop DTR Date: 14 Oct 1995 22:06:05 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 27 Message-Id: <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: canaima.me.berkeley.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3853 comp.dcom.modems:113188 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any way to tell kermit NOT to drop DTR when the user quits? I am using kermit just to dial to an Internet Service Provider, and therefore after quitting, the phone call should not be dropped. After kermit ends, I grab the IP address from the kermit log and start the SLIP daemon. Later, when all Internet exchange is done, I need to tell the serial port to drop DTR so the modems hangs up. I guess that if the port is set up with the HUPCL parameter, what I really need is to ask kermit not to close the file (port). Should I look for this line, comment it out, and recompile kermit?: close("/dev/tty0"); Or should I set the port to -HUPCL, run kermit, quit, and then change the setting to +HUPCL? Any other suggestions or comments? Regards, -Ramon Herrera From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 15:09:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:09:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:09:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: kermit: please don't drop DTR Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:09:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <45tsj0$211@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3854 comp.dcom.modems:113199 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu>, Ramon F Herrera wrote: : Is there any way to tell kermit NOT to drop DTR when the user quits? : : I am using kermit just to dial to an Internet Service Provider, : and therefore after quitting, the phone call should not be dropped. : : After kermit ends, I grab the IP address from the kermit log and : start the SLIP daemon. : : Later, when all Internet exchange is done, I need to tell the : serial port to drop DTR so the modems hangs up. : : I guess that if the port is set up with the HUPCL parameter, : what I really need is to ask kermit not to close the file (port). : : Should I look for this line, comment it out, and recompile kermit?: : : close("/dev/tty0"); : : Or should I set the port to -HUPCL, run kermit, quit, and then change : the setting to +HUPCL? : : Any other suggestions or comments? : Long question, short answer: It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a program exits, either explicitly (_exit()) or implicitly, all of the files that is opened are closed. UNIX does this even if the program doesn't. One way to accomplish what you want to do is to have a superior process open the port, pass its file descriptor to Kermit (see the documentation), and then when Kermit exits the superior process still has it open. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 15:12:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:12:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:12:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit? Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:12:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net>, Byron Morgan wrote: : I would like to convert a Procomm program I wrote to C-Kermit. An : essential part of the script checks several specific screen addresses : for content, looking for updates. Procomm has a function (termgets) for : this, but I am unable to locate any such in "Using C-Kermit". Any hints : would be greatly appreciated. : None of the Kermit programs presently implements this feature in precisely that form. However, if you can be more specific about which Kermit program you are talking about, and exactly what the effect is you are trying to achieve, maybe we can be more helpful. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 16:05:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:05:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:05:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: testing Date: 16 Oct 1995 16:05:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Distribution: cu Message-Id: <45tvrm$4s8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Testing, please ignore. Local post Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 15:13:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:49:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:49:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!col.hp.com!csn!silo.nrcs.usda.gov!ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov!feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov!ute From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: remote directory and such Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:13:25 GMT Organization: USDA-SCS NHQ in Fort Collins Lines: 19 Message-Id: <45tsql$83e@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> References: <45k2jv$8f1@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> <1995Oct13.082825.63619@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : As I recall, that's a bug in MSK v3.13 having to do with ensuring : a "\" path separator is always present. Alas, it could be inserted twice : and confuse DOS. The industry standard advice applies here "Please upgrade : to the latest version." Thanks, Joe. Seems you were right on the money. I've been fiddleing around with it and found that using \\ does the trick. I will try to convince people to upgrade to 3.14, but that may take a while. Ute --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a game that must be played. The rules of the games are known to us as the Laws of Nature. e-mail: uwillmore@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 14 22:11:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:07:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:07:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.ios.com!ferchaa From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address? Date: 14 Oct 1995 22:11:56 GMT Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 39 Message-Id: <45pcjc$jd9@news.ios.com> References: <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com> <1995Oct13.184115.63714@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mary.iia.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wasn't clear enough.. I have only EMAIL or the local machine...no kermit. Hence the problem. I've tried Kermit through Gopher, but I don't think the 8 bits get through and when I've started a Telnet connection with 'Binary' it chokes. Simply said There I have a Unix account, here I have E-mail only. Thanks! Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com>, ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) writes: : > I have a local e-mail address and a Unizx account in another state. : > Ascii text is easy to mail to myself but getting files is darn near : > impossible. : > : > I've tried FTP by mai..but I think servers keep changing and I've lost : > interest as it has continually not worked...plus the delay of cueing mean : > I try and wait , etc. : > : > So I looked at Kermit which will run from the Unix server. I log on to : > the Unix through gopher/telnet and then can start Kermit. If I could get : > Kermit to encode and then send the uuencoded file to my mail that would : > really help! : > : > : > Or any other method might be nice :)! : > Thank you : > Andre : -------------- : Have you considered the straight forward method of Kermit to Kermit : file transfers? They work, text and binary, 7 or 8-bit channels, no uuencode : necessary. I don't know the kind of local machine you are using, but there's : a Columbia Kermit for it. Please see kermit.columiba.edu for the master : archive. : Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 15:52:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:30:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:30:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14: set printer lpt1: Date: 16 Oct 1995 11:52:04 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 21 Message-Id: <45tv34$pq5@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu If I give the command set printer lpt1: to MSK 3.14 it dumps a bunch of gibberish to my screen. I get this effect even if I start kermit with no initialization file kermit -f nul or with an initialization file that installs the patches for 21 May 1994 (patch level 9) and does nothing else. The gibberish appears to be an attempt to print an error message that isn't there so MSK dumps whatever is there up to the first null. If I omit the colon MSK responds as expected. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 16:37:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:10:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:10:52 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!news.netins.net!fastbox!usenet From: mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew B. Guest) Subject: MSKERMIT3.14 and CGA X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.2 Sender: usenet@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Usenet) Organization: The box in my House Message-Id: <1995Oct15.163725.3281@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 16:37:25 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have bought a B200 laptop. This is a 80C88 processor with a CGA LCD screen. MSKERMIT can talk to the modem and dial out. But, I get no characters echoed to the screen. If I set local echo on, I can see the characters I type. But, nothing the modem should echo comes thru. I have set the modem to echo. What can I do?. Do I need an earlier version of MSKERMIT? -- Matt- Linux help by e-mail Advocating Linux and OS/2 for the Indian Wells Valley From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 23:56:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:18:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:18:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.ios.com!ferchaa From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit uuencode and send to mail Date: 15 Oct 1995 23:56:09 GMT Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <45s72p$9um@news.ios.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mary.iia.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu UPDATEE Wll, I got uuencode to work and ended up with a 8.uue file. It would be simple..:) to mail it but my mail receiver won't accept big mail. ~ 100K +. So I tried to split it. and then the mail went somewhere but not to the mail address. And no failed mail post to Pine.. *hit :) It could better...:) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 13:21:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:30:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:30:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT3.14 and CGA Message-Id: <1995Oct15.192120.63831@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 95 19:21:20 MDT References: <1995Oct15.163725.3281@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct15.163725.3281@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us>, mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew B. Guest) writes: > I have bought a B200 laptop. This is a 80C88 processor with a CGA > LCD screen. MSKERMIT can talk to the modem and dial out. But, I get no > characters echoed to the screen. If I set local echo on, I can see the > characters I type. But, nothing the modem should echo comes thru. I have > set the modem to echo. What can I do?. Do I need an earlier version of > MSKERMIT? --------- Matt, Your machine has contracted a classical case of "talk but can't listen." It is discussed in the release notes accompanying MS-DOS Kermit. Please review them and apply the recommended medicines. The most common problem is an IRQ line being used by two or more devices; only one may be connected to each IRQ wire. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 06:52:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:56:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:56:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14: set printer lpt1: Message-Id: <1995Oct16.125213.63886@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 95 12:52:13 MDT References: <45tv34$pq5@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45tv34$pq5@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes: > If I give the command > > set printer lpt1: > > to MSK 3.14 it dumps a bunch of gibberish to my screen. I get this effect > even if I start kermit with no initialization file > > kermit -f nul > > or with an initialization file that installs the patches for 21 May 1994 > (patch level 9) and does nothing else. > > The gibberish appears to be an attempt to print an error message that isn't > there so MSK dumps whatever is there up to the first null. If I omit the > colon MSK responds as expected. ------------ Uh oh. Yes, a message that lives in a different data segment than expected, hence gibberish. Sorry about that. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 17:55:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:33:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:33:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU!lusgr From: lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Stephen G. Roseman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: kermit: please don't drop DTR Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:55:55 GMT Lines: 19 Message-Id: <45u6bb$psb@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chili.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3864 comp.dcom.modems:113329 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > In article <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu>, > Ramon F Herrera wrote: > : Is there any way to tell kermit NOT to drop DTR when the user quits? > : Any other suggestions or comments? > One way to accomplish what you want to do is to have a superior process > open the port, pass its file descriptor to Kermit (see the documentation), > and then when Kermit exits the superior process still has it open. I use Kermit under Linux to dial, and then I PUSH instead of EXITing from Kermit to start up ppp. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Roseman Lehigh University Computing Center lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.Edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 17 05:42:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:45:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:45:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!its.hooked.net!usenet From: bmorg@hooked.net (Byron Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit? Date: 17 Oct 1995 05:42:30 GMT Organization: Hooked Online Services Lines: 19 Message-Id: <45vfo6$8ik@its.hooked.net> References: <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net> <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: bmorg@hooked.net (Byron Morgan) Nntp-Posting-Host: tuna.hooked.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >None of the Kermit programs presently implements this feature in precisely >that form. However, if you can be more specific about which Kermit >program you are talking about, and exactly what the effect is you are >trying to achieve, maybe we can be more helpful. > >- Frank Frank, I am using OS2 CKO191(A). Using a direct RS232 connection to an old DEC machine. The system posts subway train destination information to a monitor screen. Each of 20 subway station platforms is represented by a specific screen area. The application I would like to use C-Kermit for would check the appropriate screen addresses for train information, store the information in variables, then periodically (every 5 seconds, for example) check each screen location for changed information. If this can not be done with C-Kermit, I suppose it could be done with REXX, which I have never used. Byron Morgan From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 15:01:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:01:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit? Date: 18 Oct 1995 15:01:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 99 Message-Id: <4634rl$ncs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net> <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <45vfo6$8ik@its.hooked.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45vfo6$8ik@its.hooked.net>, Byron Morgan wrote: : In <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > None of the Kermit programs presently implements this feature in : > precisely that form. However, if you can be more specific about which : > Kermit program you are talking about, and exactly what the effect is : > you are trying to achieve, maybe we can be more helpful. : : I am using OS2 CKO191(A). Using a direct RS232 connection to an old DEC : machine. The system posts subway train destination information to a : monitor screen. Each of 20 subway station platforms is represented by a : specific screen area. The application I would like to use C-Kermit for : would check the appropriate screen addresses for train information, : store the information in variables, then periodically (every 5 seconds, : for example) check each screen location for changed information. If this : can not be done with C-Kermit, I suppose it could be done with REXX, : which I have never used. : Now that's a challenge. And I take it that there is nothing in the actual text that identifies which platform the train is on -- that would make it too easy :-) Of course, if that is true, then it is also hard to see how a textual "trigger" would have helped. Thus you have to know the screen position of each piece of text. OK, let's assume that the screen is updated in random fashion, but with the constraint that each platform is done all at once, as follows: There are 20 positions on the screen, so you need to be able to identify twenty 's. Let's use the brute force method: define \%a \27[y1;x1H define \%b \27[y2;x2H define \%c \27[y3;x3H ... define \%t \27[y20;x20H where the xn's and yn's are the column and row for each entry. For example, if the Platform 1 text appears in column 1, row 2: define \%a \27[2;1H Suppose updates occur at least every 60 seconds. So wait for one of these sequences: minput 60 \%a \%b \%c ... \%t if fail stop 1 Something bad If updates occur at irregular intervals, then you need not be so strict: minput 60 \%a \%b \%c ... \%t while FAILURE { echo Nothing happening at \v(time)...,- minput 60 \%a \%b \%c ... \%t - } (or just increase the INPUT timeout to some big number). Once you get this far, the \v(minput) variable contains the number, 1-20, of item that was matched. If the train platforms are numbered 1 through 20, you can arrange these variables correspondingly in the MINPUT command, so the \v(minput) value will be the same as the platform number. If not, you can have a conversion function or lookup table (array). Next, get the text: clear input ; Clear out everything up to and including the escape sequence input 10 \27 ; Wait for the next ESC if fail stop 1 Something else bad ; Insert appropriate error handling assign \%z \v(input) ; Get a copy of the text assign \%z \fsubstring(\%z,\feval(\flength(\%z) - 1)) ; Discard the ESC Now, hopefully, you have all the information you need: - \v(minput) contains a number 1 through 20 that tells which screen position the text came from, from which you can deduce the platform numbers. - \%z contains the corresponding text. Let's say you also want to record the date and time that each entry was picked up. declare \&d[20] ; Date/time array and then: assign \%d[\v(minput)] \v(date) \v(time) Put the whole thing in a big loop, and off you go. This is all totally untested, so you'll need to do the debugging and refinement. Be sure to post the result! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 16:55:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:55:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:55:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: evarts@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: This a test.... Date: 18 Oct 1995 16:55:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <463bi2$sm4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: evarts@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: bbs.kermit.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Testing, please ignore...,. - Max From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 01:51:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:45:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:45:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lanwp - and using ip names (as opposed to numbers) Message-Id: <1995Oct18.075125.64084@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 95 07:51:25 MDT References: <1995Oct18.092359.1@hujicc> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct18.092359.1@hujicc>, naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il writes: > Hello Kermit users, > We use kermit with lan workplace, and therefore connect with > the command > set po tel xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > > Where the x's are the ip number. Our network adminstrator has requested > that we rely on the nameserver to supply ip addresses, however I have not > found a way to use the set po tel command and supply the name as opposed > to the number. (For those not needing lanwp, there is no problem > set po tcp allows for ip name addresses) > > Any suggestions. > > We have just started switching people from 3.13 to 3.14 and answer > to both versions would be appreciated. --------------- I think we covered this in the MSK release documenation. The answer is yes. Novell's Domain Name Server procedures live separately from their TCP/IP stack, alas. To engage DNS lookups start a connection with TELAPI loaded and transitory helper program TSU available. Then use the Kermit macro "telapi" (could have chosen another name) below to start a connection by IP name: define telapi run tsu -o \%1 -p \%2 k1,run tsu -a k1 1,set port nov Run it as telapi that.host.domain optional-port-number such as telapi vms.huji.ac.il Other sessions can be started to other fake-serial ports (k1, 1 idents above), if you read the docs on Novell TSU's command line interface. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 05:15:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:26:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:26:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8 Date: 18 Oct 1995 05:15:41 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-Id: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I love MS-DOS Kermit 3.14! I prefer it to all other telecommunications programs. Its VT-series terminal emulation is unrivaled. I tell everyone I know that Kermit is faster than Zmodem. I own the book. And I don't do Windows. I've been using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP in tandem with the SLIP8250 packet driver for about a year. Unfortunately, my Internet service provider perodically "breaks" my SLIP account, and getting them to fix it has become extruciating. They say they only support "modern" serial IP drivers. Whenever I call to ask them to restore my SLIP account, the first words out of their mouths are invariably always, "Ok, go into File/Setup in Trumpet Winsock." They have no patience for my wanting plain, vanilla SLIP (not compressed) with a static IP address. You get the picture. Can I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with its built-in TCP/IP in conjunction with a PPP driver and an ISP that insists on doling out IP addresses dynamically? If so, how? By the way, I'm curious: Am I the only schlemiel still trying to run TCP/IP over a serial line under MS-DOS (not Windows) on a 20 Mhz 80386SX PC with a 40 MB hard drive who can't find an Internet service provider that can cope with anything besides Trumpet Winsock or Windows 95? --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 09:23:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:04:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:04:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.biu.ac.il!news.huji.ac.il!vms.huji.ac.il!naomir1 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lanwp - and using ip names (as opposed to numbers) Message-Id: <1995Oct18.092359.1@hujicc> From: naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il Date: 18 Oct 95 09:23:59 GMT Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.huji.ac.il Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit users, We use kermit with lan workplace, and therefore connect with the command set po tel xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Where the x's are the ip number. Our network adminstrator has requested that we rely on the nameserver to supply ip addresses, however I have not found a way to use the set po tel command and supply the name as opposed to the number. (For those not needing lanwp, there is no problem set po tcp allows for ip name addresses) Any suggestions. We have just started switching people from 3.13 to 3.14 and answer to both versions would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help Naomi From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 20:01:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:49:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:49:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!usenet From: ghp5h@virginia.edu (George H. Payne) Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Another question. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ghp5hpc.law.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia School of Law X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45i04i$1s2@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Oct12.094853.63500@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:01:14 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On a sort of related note--is there a way to script a print-through session? I have just started trying to do this (and yes, I have ordered the manual, but I have no idea when it'll get here) and it seems that I cannot use script commands and a terminal emulation at the same time--thus I can't just activate the print-through with my script and have it captured with "set printer". Or can I? This spawns two general questions: 1. Is there script archive anywhere? 2. Is there a way to send commands to a terminal session (as opposed to a "raw data" session)? Must my script detect the escape codes and toggle capturing itself? I apologize if this is indeed a stupid question. I'd love to RTFM, but I'm under pressure to get this done and I don't know when the FM will be here :). Thanks for any help. -- George H. Payne Law Information Technology and Communications UVa Law School From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 09:43:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:42:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:42:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems Message-Id: <1995Oct18.154307.64146@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 95 15:43:06 MDT References: <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> writes: > We are unable to connect to a remote site calling in to kermit when we > are using a PCMCIA modem on a laptop (e.g., Hayes OPTIMA 144 +FAX for > PCMCIA). Although we are able to use the same modem to connect to > CompuServe and even use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file. > The problem we have is that we see the word RING but never see CONNECT So the modem hasn't answered the phone yet. ATS0= is the way to tell it to answer incoming calls, naturally. > 9600. We are using Kermit Version 3.14 and have the same version > installed on a desktop PC with a Hayes External Optima 144 + fax modem > which has no problems connecting to the remote site. > > Another strange item is that when we go into connect mode on the laptop > and try to evaluate registers on the modem (e.g., ATS0 or ATS86) or > execute any command we get "+++ ATH0" back and not the contents of the > register. Sure looks as if you have other software banging on the modem at the same time (Fax??). Have a look for competing software. > We also converted MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI to be all upper case. No need for Kermit. But your modem may be one which is less than clever and require AT commands in upper case only. > Any ideas on how to resolve this problem? Does Kermit have known problems > with PCMCIA Modems? PCMCIA anythings have trouble with computers is the proper description of such difficulties. It's not Kermit, it's the total confusion and muddle of the sundry PCMCIA components. Kermit is unaware of PCMCIA and has no need to be aware of that stuff. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 01:52:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:54:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:54:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems Date: 19 Oct 1995 01:52:08 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 6 Message-Id: <464b08$mc6@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> References: <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> <1995Oct18.154307.64146@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dd11-003.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe, Thanks for the response. We will try setting ATSO to a non zero number. Rich From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 01:44:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:08:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:08:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8 Message-Id: <1995Oct19.074443.64205@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 07:44:43 MDT References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <1995Oct18.075811.64085@cc.usu.edu> <464hki$e3c@globe.indirect.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <464hki$e3c@globe.indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > On 18 Oct 95 07:58:11 MDT, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: >> Yes, but. Yes if it is a Telebit PPP driver. Yes but not dynamic >> IP if it is Novell's SLIP_PPP driver. Else probably not. > > Telebit? Isn't that the name of a modem manufacturer? How might I lay > my hands on the Telebit PPP driver? Do I need to have a Telebit modem > and/or some other proprietary network software to use this driver? Yes, the modem maker. You will have to ask Telebit about their sales policies. We use a bunch in our campus modem pool, and I have a personal unit too. >> and there is how to grab the given IP number and feed it into Kermit. > > Is this something that can be done "manually"? I mean, could I simply > look at the IP address that is assigned and reported when I log into my > SLIP account, then escape to the Kermit command prompt and type > > SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 165.247.1.123 > > for example? Is it that simple? Could be. I have not the slightest idea of what your service provider is doing to supply the IP number and thus I won't guess here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 15:34:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:34:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:34:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8) Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:34:03 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 88 Message-Id: <465r5b$iol@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com>, Jim Monty wrote: : I love MS-DOS Kermit 3.14! I prefer it to all other telecommunications : programs. Its VT-series terminal emulation is unrivaled. I tell : everyone I know that Kermit is faster than Zmodem. I own the book. And : I don't do Windows. : Thanks! But... :-) : I've been using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP in tandem with the : SLIP8250 packet driver for about a year. Unfortunately, my Internet : service provider perodically "breaks" my SLIP account, and getting them : to fix it has become extruciating. They say they only support "modern" : serial IP drivers. Whenever I call to ask them to restore my SLIP : account, the first words out of their mouths are invariably always, "Ok, : go into File/Setup in Trumpet Winsock." They have no patience for my : wanting plain, vanilla SLIP (not compressed) with a static IP address. : You get the picture. : : Can I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with its built-in TCP/IP in conjunction : with a PPP driver and an ISP that insists on doling out IP addresses : dynamically? If so, how? : This is an FAQ, but unfortunately, one to which we don't have a good answer. I hope somebody out there will pipe up with a PPP configuration that works. Meanwhile, we have had good reports about the CSLIP driver, I think it's called CSLIPPER -- maybe that will help? : By the way, I'm curious: Am I the only schlemiel still trying to run : TCP/IP over a serial line under MS-DOS (not Windows) on a 20 Mhz 80386SX : PC with a 40 MB hard drive who can't find an Internet service provider : that can cope with anything besides Trumpet Winsock or Windows 95? : I hope not, but I'd be interested to hear responses from others on this topic. It has far-reaching implications, not only for us Kermit aficionados, but for the world at large. Here is one slightly pessimistic way of looking at it: Over its first twenty years, the net (first the ARPAnet, then the Internet) was an incredibly valuable tool for cooperation, collaboration, mutual help, research and development, standards generation, and innovation. "Content" was constantly being added to it -- software, all kinds of information, discussions of new ideas, etc. Most of this content came in the form of text: source code, prose, bibliographic information, messages, email, conferences, etc. Then, at some point in the recent past, the net became the Information Superhighway -- an object of commerce and mass consumerism. Which is not a bad thing: it's a kind of public recognition of all the hard work and deep thought that went into building the net and building up its vast resources of content. But at the same, the net became "easy to use". To grossly simplify what this means: one no longer actively accesses the net in "read/write" mode; rather, one passively points and clicks on things. Most of the modern net access software is designed to extract things from the net, rather than add things to it. It's as if the content had become frozen in time, except, of course, for all the commercial offerings. It's like a museum, in which everybody looks at the items on display and then stops at the gift shop on the way out and spends a pile of money. Soon, even the items on display will lose their attraction, and we will be left with nothing but an electronic shopping mall. There has been a lot of discussion in various fora (sorry, forums) to the effect that "text is dead". I, for one, would like to think calmer heads will prevail. NOTHING can replace text, because anything that you can think of depends on some particular interpreter that runs only on some specific operating-system/hardware-platform, and all of these items become obsolete with amazing speed in today's fast-paced marketplace. Take e-mail as an example. Why are we still stuck with a primitive 7-bit ASCII form of exchange? Because nothing else works. Everything else, at best, depends on viewers and interpreters that the recipient probably does not have because they are platform-dependent (MIME or no MIME), and at worst, doesn't even get delivered because of transparency problems. 200 years from now, if anybody happens to have carried this message forward across the many changes that will have occurred in storage media, nobody will have any trouble reading it. I don't think you can say the same for any other form of electronically stored information. Which brings us back to the original posting. Internet Service Providers should not be quite so quick to lock out people who wish to access the net text mode, because those are the very people who are most likely to keep adding content and value to the net (unless your definition of "value" happens to include surreptitiously scanned-in centerfold pictures :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 01:53:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:09:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:09:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Another question. Message-Id: <1995Oct19.075350.64206@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 07:53:50 MDT References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ghp5h@virginia.edu (George H. Payne) writes: > On a sort of related note--is there a way to script a print-through > session? I have just started trying to do this (and yes, I have ordered > the manual, but I have no idea when it'll get here) and it seems that I > cannot use script commands and a terminal emulation at the same > time--thus I can't just activate the print-through with my script and > have it captured with "set printer". Or can I? > > This spawns two general questions: > 1. Is there script archive anywhere? > 2. Is there a way to send commands to a terminal session (as opposed to > a "raw data" session)? Must my script detect the escape codes and > toggle capturing itself? > > I apologize if this is indeed a stupid question. I'd love to RTFM, but > I'm under pressure to get this done and I don't know when the FM will be > here :). Thanks for any help. > -- > George H. Payne > Law Information Technology and Communications > UVa Law School -------------- Scripts run at Kermit prompt level, not within terminal emulation. However, you may define a Kermit macro to do just about anything (holds any Kermit commands) and tie it to a Connect mode key. But please be aware that Connect mode is not operating while at the Kermit prompt level and hence there will be no transparent printing activity there. It's better to turn all this around and tell the remote host to do the transparent printing work. That is, have a command file of some kind on the host and run it. In turn that cmd file brackets the file to be printed with the ESC [ 4/5 i transparent printing control sequences. If that command file were named tprint.com then invoke it as say "tprint filename." Kermit would be in Connect mode the whole time. Another alternative is to just transfer the file from the host to the printer using the Kermit file transfer protocol. The file destination would be PRN or other suitable name. This approach is robust. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 16:26:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13052 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:38:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:38:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:26:34 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 19 Message-Id: <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code >> via archie or net serach. >----------- > The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly >assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus >one can't steal the source code without legal agreement. > Joe D. No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the name when the philosophy changed? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 08:28:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:28:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:28:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Upload and Downdoad Files Via Kermit Message-Id: <1995Oct19.142831.64257@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 14:28:31 MDT References: <465p1i$157@crcnis3.unl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <465p1i$157@crcnis3.unl.edu>, chwu@unlgrad1.unl.edu (McGyver) writes: > I just get a new kermit in my PC. But I have no idea about it. First of all > I want to download and upload my file via Kermit. Any help will be > appreciate. ------------- Homework assignment for you: 1. Read the release documentation shipped with MS-DOS Kermit (presuming that's what you have) or CKermit (presuming that's what you have). 2. Obtain a copy of the book "Using MS-DOS (or C) Kermit", as detailed in the release notes and in the Help screens. Read it. 3. Practice a tiny bit and enjoy. It won't happen unless you do it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 14:57:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:43:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:43:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!crcnews.unl.edu!unlgrad1.unl.edu!chwu From: chwu@unlgrad1.unl.edu (McGyver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Upload and Downdoad Files Via Kermit Date: 19 Oct 1995 14:57:54 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 6 Message-Id: <465p1i$157@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlgrad1.unl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just get a new kermit in my PC. But I have no idea about it. First of all I want to download and upload my file via Kermit. Any help will be appreciate. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 12:03:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:50:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:50:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit-"scripts"? Message-Id: <1995Oct19.180330.64283@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 18:03:29 MDT References: <4643shF9md@uni-erlangen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4643shF9md@uni-erlangen.de>, fp131@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Alexander Kochinka) writes: > Hi all, > > I use MS-DOS "kermit" (V 3.11) as terminal program and I wonder, > if you can write a kind of "scipts" within it, which automates > the login-process, or even automates a whole mail > download/upload session. Some first attempts using the heavy > manual failed due to my ignorance. > Is anyone out there who can give my some hints? If anyone has > written something similar, he or she could mail it to me (don't > forget to erase your passwords ;). > > Thanks in advance, > and I apologize if that isn't the right usenet-group for my > question, > > Alexander > -- ------------ The current release is version 3.14, which you may obtain across the Internet from directory kermit/msdos on kermit.columbia.edu, file msvibm.zip. Yes, you can do all of those things, and a great deal more. The current version of MS-DOS Kermit has many more and more powerful script commands as well. There is a good guide to these commands: the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." Lots of examples and explanation. You will find complete references to the book and publisher in the above quick-start kit and on screen two of the Help command of MSK v3.14. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 22:38:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:50:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:50:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!csn!silo.nrcs.usda.gov!ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov!feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov!ute From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More C-kermit questions Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:38:55 GMT Organization: USDA-SCS NHQ in Fort Collins Lines: 51 Message-Id: <466k1v$94@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay so I figured out how to put my DOS box into server mode from my UNIX box using C-kermit and the get a directory listing from the DOS box send over to the UNIX box. I use something like this echo "\033_server\033" ; kermit my_file > list where my_file looks like this remote dir ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:03:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:03:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Autodial in Kermit 3.xx Date: 20 Oct 1995 16:03:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 158 Message-Id: <468h91$kps@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46719g$rpt@news-e1a.megaweb.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46719g$rpt@news-e1a.megaweb.com>, Brett R. Bradshaw wrote: >I use kermit to dial only 1 number. Is it possible to make it >dial automatically when kermit is loaded. I have the connect >command initiated by the ini file then type ATDT8,xxxxxxx to >dial the number. There must be a way to automate this. Any >help is appreciated. > (a) It's always best when posting questions to mention what kind of computer you have, which operating system, and what version of Kermit software you are talking about. (b) Assuming you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit, most questions like this are answered explicitly or implicitly in the published documentation, which you should purchase. Info below. Briefly: just put "dial xxxxx" in your initialization file. KERMIT BOOK LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703, Fax +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $10 US PER BOOK for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. 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DM 79,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DM 88,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. Also available from 45 rue Henri de Regnier Columbia University, F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE same price as English edition. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax +33 39 02 39 71 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 22:49:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:06:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:06:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!dircon!usenet From: markb@dircon.co.uk (Mark Bolton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Info required Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:49:14 GMT Organization: Direct Connection (Call 0181 297 2200 for info) Lines: 14 Message-Id: <466kla$82g@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ac005.pool.dircon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm not sure if this the right group to post this to, but I need some technical info on how file transfers using Kermit, Xmodem and XON/XOFF (ASCII) work. I know there must be lots of books out there but I need the info rather quickly so I'm looking for WWW or FTP sites with this information. Yours hopefully, Mark -- Mark Bolton - email: markb@dircon.co.uk -------------- janet: bm350@greenwich.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 16:06:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:06:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:06:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More C-kermit questions Date: 20 Oct 1995 12:06:30 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <468he6$fmn@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <466k1v$94@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <466k1v$94@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>, Ute R. Willmore wrote: : I get the file transfer status display and after a few moments the system : beeps and presto my directory listing is in a file called list on my UNIX : system. : : BUT, and you knew there had to be a but, how do I turn of that display? : The manual says to type : set display display none : Oh, and while we are at it, how do I turn the display back on once I got it : turned off? : set file display fullscreen (or whatever other kind you prefer). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 17:29:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:45:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:45:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!spcuna!newton.texel.com!usenet From: Hannington Musinguzi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Support of X-Modem Protocol Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:29:44 -0700 Organization: Texel International Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3087DC88.22EE@texel.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hanning.texel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to download files from a unix box running SCO and set to XModem. However, I am not able to run kermit and I get a nasty error when I attempt to call rx from my box. Someone help.... Han From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 01:58:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:46:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:46:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8 Message-Id: <1995Oct18.075811.64085@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 95 07:58:11 MDT References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > I love MS-DOS Kermit 3.14! I prefer it to all other telecommunications > programs. Its VT-series terminal emulation is unrivaled. I tell everyone > I know that Kermit is faster than Zmodem. I own the book. And I don't do > Windows. > > I've been using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP in tandem with the > SLIP8250 packet driver for about a year. Unfortunately, my Internet > service provider perodically "breaks" my SLIP account, and getting them to > fix it has become extruciating. They say they only support "modern" > serial IP drivers. Whenever I call to ask them to restore my SLIP > account, the first words out of their mouths are invariably always, "Ok, > go into File/Setup in Trumpet Winsock." They have no patience for my > wanting plain, vanilla SLIP (not compressed) with a static IP address. > You get the picture. > > Can I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with its built-in TCP/IP in conjunction with > a PPP driver and an ISP that insists on doling out IP addresses > dynamically? If so, how? Yes, but. Yes if it is a Telebit PPP driver. Yes but not dynamic IP if it is Novell's SLIP_PPP driver. Else probably not. The reasons are twofold. The top end of the PPP driver must be something that Kermit can deal with, such as a Ethernet/SLIP Packet Driver interface or ODI. Then secondly, the dynamically assigned IP number information has to be communicated to Kermit somehow, and there isn't any standard on the matter. MSK knows how to work with Telebit's ODIPPP driver for passing back the IP number, but that's all the information I have. If your vendor supports bootp then that should take care of the IP number problem. So, there is the PPP driver top level interface standard item, and there is how to grab the given IP number and feed it into Kermit. Luckily I don't have to use serial comms at my site and thus I do not have a collection of PPP drivers to look at. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 03:22:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 02:42:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 02:42:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Oct 95 09:22:32 MDT References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as >>> I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was >>> chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and >>> always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing >>> against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the >>> name when the philosophy changed? > >> With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark. >>Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright. >>The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free >>to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any >>trouble understanding that? > > No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if > you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful, > or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only > free if you don't need them. No. Your statement can be read as "I want Kermit to be free in the sense I can make money from it or use it to sell something else which makes money for me, etc." We have covered this ground in detail over the past year or so. > Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full > tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included > at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would > be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available > in source code with modifications for special purposes from > many sources. See above since it's basically the same situation. > I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether > the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university > owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could > dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was > contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping > it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy. Les, this is so vague as to be meaningless. Joe D. > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 12:07:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 06:46:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 06:46:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems Date: 18 Oct 1995 12:07:02 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 23 Message-Id: <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ad37-131.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: ALL@columbia.edu We are unable to connect to a remote site calling in to kermit when we are using a PCMCIA modem on a laptop (e.g., Hayes OPTIMA 144 +FAX for PCMCIA). Although we are able to use the same modem to connect to CompuServe and even use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file. The problem we have is that we see the word RING but never see CONNECT 9600. We are using Kermit Version 3.14 and have the same version installed on a desktop PC with a Hayes External Optima 144 + fax modem which has no problems connecting to the remote site. Another strange item is that when we go into connect mode on the laptop and try to evaluate registers on the modem (e.g., ATS0 or ATS86) or execute any command we get "+++ ATH0" back and not the contents of the register. We also converted MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI to be all upper case. Any ideas on how to resolve this problem? Does Kermit have known problems with PCMCIA Modems? Thanks for any help in advance, Rich Godlewsky (76412.156@compuserve.com) Sparta Systems From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 23:50:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-regensburg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!fauern!fen!fim.uni-erlangen.de!fp131 From: fp131@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Alexander Kochinka) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit-"scripts"? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:50:41 GMT Organization: FIM-Psychologie, Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg Message-Id: <4643shF9md@uni-erlangen.de> Reply-To: fp131@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Alexander Kochinka) Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet-a.fim.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I use MS-DOS "kermit" (V 3.11) as terminal program and I wonder, if you can write a kind of "scipts" within it, which automates the login-process, or even automates a whole mail download/upload session. Some first attempts using the heavy manual failed due to my ignorance. Is anyone out there who can give my some hints? If anyone has written something similar, he or she could mail it to me (don't forget to erase your passwords ;). Thanks in advance, and I apologize if that isn't the right usenet-group for my question, Alexander -- this problem? Does Kermit have known problems with PCMCIA Modems? Thanks for any help in advance, Rich Godlewsky (76412.156@compuserve.com) Sparta Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 08:41:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 14:41:39 MDT References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code >>> via archie or net serach. >>----------- >> The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly >>assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus >>one can't steal the source code without legal agreement. >> Joe D. > > No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as > I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was > chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and > always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing > against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the > name when the philosophy changed? > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com ----------- With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark. Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright. The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any trouble understanding that? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 03:45:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8 Date: 19 Oct 1995 03:45:22 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-Id: <464hki$e3c@globe.indirect.com> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <1995Oct18.075811.64085@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 18 Oct 95 07:58:11 MDT, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > Yes, but. Yes if it is a Telebit PPP driver. Yes but not dynamic > IP if it is Novell's SLIP_PPP driver. Else probably not. Telebit? Isn't that the name of a modem manufacturer? How might I lay my hands on the Telebit PPP driver? Do I need to have a Telebit modem and/or some other proprietary network software to use this driver? > and there is how to grab the given IP number and feed it into Kermit. Is this something that can be done "manually"? I mean, could I simply look at the IP address that is assigned and reported when I log into my SLIP account, then escape to the Kermit command prompt and type SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 165.247.1.123 for example? Is it that simple? --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 09:28:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dircon!usenet From: PK Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Auto-dialling Date: 19 Oct 1995 09:28:43 GMT Organization: Piquet Computer Services Lines: 3 Message-Id: <4655ob$e3@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ak037.du.pipex.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody tell me how I can use Kermit for overnight dialling. I need to dial a large number of PC's from one central PC (All MS-DOS machines) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 20 02:49:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 19 Oct 1995 21:49:57 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 35 Message-Id: <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com> <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as >> I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was >> chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and >> always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing >> against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the >> name when the philosophy changed? > With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark. >Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright. >The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free >to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any >trouble understanding that? No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful, or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only free if you don't need them. Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available in source code with modifications for special purposes from many sources. I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 17:35:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!delmarva.com!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 19 Oct 1995 13:35:08 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 35 Message-Id: <46628c$qdn@chopin.udel.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <465u7q$kpu@mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <465u7q$kpu@mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: :In article <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu>, :Joe Doupnik wrote: :>> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code :>> via archie or net serach. :>----------- :> The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly :>assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus :>one can't steal the source code without legal agreement. :> Joe D. : :No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as :I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was :chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and :always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing :against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the :name when the philosophy changed? : :Les Mikesell : les@mcs.com Kermit is free. But that doesn't mean that the source code can't be copyrighted. Just because Kermit is available to everyone doesn't mean that the source code is there to be butchered by everyone (at least not without the author's consent). The philosophy didn't change, just the times. --Jerry -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 17:10:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:36:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:36:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there a bug in fonction \Fcode(Char) Date: 20 Oct 1995 17:10:16 GMT Organization: CalvaNet. French IP Provider. Lines: 46 Message-Id: <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp1-5.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello from France. I think there is a bug into Kermit MS-DOS Version 3.14 The fonction \Fcode(Char) return the value 150 for a space as for u-circomflex I try this : define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == ; ; Search for position of (:) into Line assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Ligne),1) increment Begin ; ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),) ; define \%n 1 :Bcl assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) ; assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) echo {Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)} ; ; Test if the character is a Space if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK increment \%n goto Bcl ; :LenOK decrement \%n assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) echo Line=\M(Line) echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)} There are spaces after D00536 into variable Line, but the fonction \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) always return 150 when Tmp is a space. So, I am not able to test where ends the serial number. Is there a patch to correct this problem ? Or is there any possibility to do this test another way ? Best Regards Dominique Ottello do11@calvacom.fr From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 05:55:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:43:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:43:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!genmagic!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jaypee From: jaypee@netcom.com (John Peterson) Subject: Problem with remote host command Message-Id: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 05:55:45 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: jaypee@netcom17.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to issue a "remote host ..." command from a UNIX SVR4 system [under release C-Kermit 5A(190)] to an OS/2 system [running C-Kermit 5A(191) in server mode]. The remote process on the OS/2 system takes a non-trivial period of time to execute. (Specifically a ghostscript process, that takes about 4-5 minutes). The UNIX kermit seems to send NAKs too often, and eventually I get the message: ?Sent too many NAKs I was under the impression that issuing a "set server timeout 0" would disble the NAKs to the server, but it doesn't seem to help at all. I tried huge values like 1000000000 too, and the results are no different. What am I missing here? Best Regards, John -- John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ - jaypee@netcom.com - MicroSoft? Just say NO! From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 00:43:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:46:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:46:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.psc.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!mercury!jay From: Jay Daly Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help w/PATHWORKS TCP/IP Setup Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:43:30 -0400 Organization: Beth Israel Hospital Boston MA Lines: 64 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.bih.harvard.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: jay@mercury Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm posting for a friend without newsgroup access, and I'll try to describe the setup as completely as possible (which may be a problem, given my ignorance of the Pathworks system). She is using MSK 3.14, with a Pathworks 5.11 client, and has loaded the DIS_PKT9 shim in config.sys, and has included the specified [pktdrv] info in protocol.ini. After some tweaking, the packet driver seems to be recognized, and the session proceeds toward the gateway, but seems to stop there. I'm not familiar with the network, itself, but they're using the default BROADCAST value, with both the gateway and machine on the same network. Nevertheless, the session seems to be unable to identify the gateway machine. Here's a snippet of the session: ------ IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1995. ; They installed the 5/95 3.14 update after this, but with no change. MS-DOS Kermit 314 initialization file... ; These are responses from the startup script: TCP/IP Status is 0. (0 = Ok) No. of Active Sessions: 0 ; This is the IP Address for the U.S. National Library of Medicine: Resolving address of host 130.14.10.200 ... Unable to ARP resolve gateway 198.161.10.2 Unable to contact the host. The host may be down or a gateway may be needed. Host Unreachable.. ------- Sounds to me like a problem with the gateway, but they have no trouble getting out through the Pathworks TCPIP program. I forgot to ask whether the Pathworks TCPIP program was still loaded when Kermit was run, but I guess I assumed that it would have taken over the TCP/IP stack if it were, and no packet driver would have been found. Perhaps a rash assumption. Would the Pathworks TCPIP program prevent ARP on the gateway? Any other hints on the Pathworks setup? I know the host (NLM) was up, since I used Kermit to telnet down from here in Boston at the same time they were getting this error up in Alberta. So it's got to be a local Pathworks configuration problem, is it not? (Of course, I'm using MSK on NetWare 3.12, not Pathworks.) All help greatly appreciated. Any Pathworks insight would be sunshine into the darkness of my ignorance. And I'll pass it along to my Canadian friend. Jay Daly jay@bih.harvard.edu QuickDOC 45A Mason Terrace Phone: (617) 734-0918 Brookline, MA 02146 Fax: (617) 734-3154 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 14:05:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:05:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:05:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Auto-dialling Date: 21 Oct 1995 14:05:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <46aun9$mba@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4655ob$e3@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4655ob$e3@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>, PK wrote: >Can somebody tell me how I can use Kermit for overnight dialling. I need >to dial a large number of PC's from one central PC (All MS-DOS machines) > You have to write a Kermit script program. Script programming is thoroughly documented in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", which also includes numerous examples such as the one you are asking about. The manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 14:24:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:25:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:25:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 21 Oct 1995 14:24:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <46avrn$n2d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com> <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >... >No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if >you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful, >or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only >free if you don't need them. > >Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full >tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included >at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would >be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available >in source code with modifications for special purposes from >many sources. I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether >the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university >owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could >dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was >contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping >it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy. > This topic comes up over and over again, and those who are interested in it can read the archives of this newsgroup, as well as comp.dcom.modems, comp.os.vms, and others to see the many viewpoints and arguments that have been expressed, over and over again. Yes, the original spirit has changed. So have the times. So has the net. So has everything. This is not the same world as the one we started out in back in 1981. To summarize, once again, very briefly: Originally, the Kermit project was funded to develop Kermit protocol and (yes, copyrighted) communications software, and we gladly gave it away to everybody. Now the project is no longer funded. From the period 1990-1994 or thereabouts we were able to fund our own work through book sales and software distribution fees. Then, about a year ago, people stopped purchasing books and ordering software from us. Not because demand for and use of the software is diminishing -- quite the contrary -- but because they can get it more easily by ftp (easier now than ever with Web browsers) or on somebody's CDROM where it was put without permission, in violation of the copyright. Without revenues, the Kermit project will disappear. Now, as Joe pointed out, all the Kermit software (except Kermit 95) is free to the end user, BUT NOT TO THE RESELLER. The only people who complain about this policy are the ones who want to take our work, sell it (or bundle it with a product, or put it on a CDROM which they sell), and contribute nothing back to us in return. There is no better way to kill the Kermit project, and we have a responsibility to our millions (yes, millions) of users not to let that happen. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 15:12:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:12:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:12:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there a bug in fonction \Fcode(Char) Date: 21 Oct 1995 15:12:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 79 Message-Id: <46b2k7$okf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr>, Dominique Ottello wrote: : I think there is a bug into Kermit MS-DOS Version 3.14 : The fonction \Fcode(Char) return the value 150 for a space as for : u-circomflex. I try this : : : define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == : ; : ; Search for position of (:) into Line : assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Ligne),1) : increment Begin : ; : ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End : assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),) : ; : define \%n 1 : :Bcl : assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) : ; : assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) : echo {Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)} : ; : ; Test if the character is a Space : if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK : increment \%n : goto Bcl : ; : :LenOK : decrement \%n : assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) : echo Line=\M(Line) : echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)} : : There are spaces after D00536 into variable Line, : but the fonction \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) always return 150 when Tmp is a space. : So, I am not able to test where ends the serial number. : : Is there a patch to correct this problem ? : Or is there any possibility to do this test another way ? : It is indeed a problem. It seems that in MS-DOS Kermit, when a variable has a value of SPACE (ASCII 32), it just disappears, so in your script program, \Fcode(\m(tmp)) is taking the value of a random memory byte. You can work around this problem as follows: ---(cut)--- define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == ; echo LINE="\m(line)" ; Search for position of (:) into Line assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Line),1) ;; <--- "Line", not "Ligne" increment Begin ; ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End assign SN2End \Fsubstr({\m(Line)},\m(Begin),) define \%n 1 assign length \flength(\m(SN2End)) ; Get length of substring :Bcl assign Tmp _\Fsubstr({\fdef(SN2End)},\%n,1)_ ; Put _ before and after char assign Ascii \Fcode(\Fsubstr(\m(TMP),2,1)) ; Get code of char between _'s ; Test if the character is a Space if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK increment \%n if > \%n \m(length) stop 1 END OF STRING... ; Avoid infinite loop goto Bcl ; :LenOK decrement \%n assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) echo Line=\M(Line) echo {SN extracted from Line="\m(SN)"} ---(cut)--- - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 15:20:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:20:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:20:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with remote host command Date: 21 Oct 1995 15:20:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <46b33m$p5j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John Peterson wrote: > I'm trying to issue a "remote host ..." command from a UNIX SVR4 system >[under release C-Kermit 5A(190)] to an OS/2 system [running C-Kermit 5A(191) >in server mode]. The remote process on the OS/2 system takes a non-trivial >period of time to execute. (Specifically a ghostscript process, that takes >about 4-5 minutes). The UNIX kermit seems to send NAKs too often, and >eventually I get the message: > > ?Sent too many NAKs > >I was under the impression that issuing a "set server timeout 0" would >disble the NAKs to the server, but it doesn't seem to help at all. I tried >huge values like 1000000000 too, and the results are no different. What am >I missing here? > No, it's not SET SERVER TIMEOUT. That governs the behavior of the server when it is waiting for a command from the client. In this case, the server *has* received a command from the client and has started an inferior process, and is blocked waiting for the process to complete (or to send output, which ghostscript is evidently not doing, since it is busy painting the OS/2 screen). Meanwhile, the *client* is waiting for a reply and none is coming. Of course the server has no idea how long the "host" command will take, so it has no way of telling the client. So in this case you have to adjust the client, using "set send/receive timeout" and/or "set retry". It would not be unreasonable to expect the server to send some kind of periodic "hold on, I'm working" type of message to avoid this type of situation; perhaps this can be added in some future release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 16:37:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:37:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:37:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems Date: 21 Oct 1995 16:37:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <46b7kf$s49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> wrote: : We are unable to connect to a remote site calling in to kermit when we : are using a PCMCIA modem on a laptop (e.g., Hayes OPTIMA 144 +FAX for : PCMCIA). Although we are able to use the same modem to connect to : CompuServe and even use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file. : I don't understand. You're saying that you can use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file, but in the previous sentence you say you can't connect to a remote site. Maybe you could be a little more specific about the two scenarios -- the one where Kermit works and the one where it doesn't. : The problem we have is that we see the word RING but never see CONNECT : 9600. We are using Kermit Version 3.14 and have the same version : installed on a desktop PC with a Hayes External Optima 144 + fax modem : which has no problems connecting to the remote site. : How are you dialing? Are you using the DIAL command (macro) together with a modem script such as ULTRA144.SCR? (If not, maybe you should be.) If you are saying that the exact same setup (PC OS, Kermit version, modem) works on a desktop with external modem but does not work on the laptop with the PCMCIA card, then you probably have PCMCIA / laptop "peculiarities". Laptops tend to have power-saver and similar features not found in desktop systems, so that's the first thing to look for. Second would be interrupt conflicts on your laptop. And so on -- all the stuff that is described in the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette. One thing to try would be to simply CONNECT to the modem and type the AT commands yourself, including the dialing (ATDT) command. After it says RING, RING, ..., what does it say? NO CARRIER? It should give you a message about why it failed to make the connection. In fact, if you look in S86, it should tell exactly why the call failed (look up the code in your Hayes manual). : Another strange item is that when we go into connect mode on the laptop : and try to evaluate registers on the modem (e.g., ATS0 or ATS86) or : execute any command we get "+++ ATH0" back and not the contents of the : register. : Kermit is not sending that string (unless you have invoked the ATHANGUP macro), and you are not typing it. Therefore, I can only speculate that there is some other software on your laptop that is trying to use the modem at the same time as Kermit. : We also converted MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI to be all upper case. : This should have no effect at all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 09:10:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:47:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:47:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!globe.indirect.com!usenet From: krondor@indirect.com (Chris Lawrence) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latest version of kermit? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:10:59 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <46addl$g2d@globe.indirect.com> Reply-To: krondor@indirect.com Nntp-Posting-Host: ip76.abq-dialin.hollyberry.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I was wondering what the latest version of kermit is and where I can find it. Thanks for any help. Chris krondor@indirect.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 23:06:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:06:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:06:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latest version of kermit? Date: 21 Oct 1995 23:06:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <46bucs$evb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46addl$g2d@globe.indirect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46addl$g2d@globe.indirect.com>, Chris Lawrence wrote: >I was wondering what the latest version of kermit is and where I can >find it. > Kermit software is available in different versions for hundreds of different hardware and operating-system platforms. The best way to find out all about it is through our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 09:35:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:07:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:07:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there a bug in fonction \Fcode(Char) Message-Id: <1995Oct21.153538.64426@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Oct 95 15:35:38 MDT References: <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 92 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr>, do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) writes: > Hello from France. > > I think there is a bug into Kermit MS-DOS Version 3.14 > The fonction \Fcode(Char) return the value 150 for a space as for u-circomflex > > I try this : > > define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == > ; > ; Search for position of (:) into Line > assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Ligne),1) <<< TYPO, \m(line) > increment Begin > ; > ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End > assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),) > ; > define \%n 1 > :Bcl > assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) > ; > assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) > echo {Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)} > ; > ; Test if the character is a Space > if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK > increment \%n > goto Bcl > ; > :LenOK > decrement \%n > assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) > echo Line=\M(Line) > echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)} > > There are spaces after D00536 into variable Line, > but the fonction \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) always return 150 when Tmp is a space. > So, I am not able to test where ends the serial number. > > Is there a patch to correct this problem ? > Or is there any possibility to do this test another way ? > > Best Regards > > Dominique Ottello > do11@calvacom.fr --------- The problem is straight forward to discover and to solve. It is a \fsubstr() operation can result in a space, and if that is the only definition for an ASSIGN command then the definition appears to be empty and the variable is undefined/removed. Aside from the typo noted above here is a version of your script which works. Note that you have a possible infinite loop, which should be avoided by set count \flength(string), ... if count to terminate after examining all string bytes. I removed some of your lines by ;;; comment indicators and slipped in the count saftey net. define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == ; ; Search for position of (:) into Line assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Line),1) increment Begin ; ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),) ; define \%n 1 ;; optional safety net by jrd set count \flength(SN2End) :Bcl ;;;assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) ; ;;;assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) assign Ascii \Fcode(\Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1)) ;;;echo Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii) echo Char=\Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) Code=\m(Ascii) ; ; Test if the character is a Space if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK increment \%n ;; optional safety net by jrd if count - goto Bcl ; :LenOK decrement \%n assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) echo Line=\M(Line) echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)} Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 23:10:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:08:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:08:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: exit code in c-kermit Message-Id: <1995Oct21.161053.15912@yvax.byu.edu> From: "John K. Peterson" Date: 21 Oct 95 16:10:52 -0700 Nntp-Posting-Host: jkp.byu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Url: news://acs1.byu.edu/comp.protocols.kermit.misc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu O.K., I give up! How do you get kermit to exit with a non-zero status from a command file? (please reply by e-mail) Thanks John Peterson -- University Networking Services -- Brigham Young University Internet: John_Peterson@byu.edu Phone: (801) 378-5007 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 22 21:58:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:58:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:58:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: exit code in c-kermit Date: 22 Oct 1995 21:58:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <46eepi$fid@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Oct21.161053.15912@yvax.byu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct21.161053.15912@yvax.byu.edu>, John K. Peterson wrote: >O.K., I give up! How do you get kermit to exit with a non-zero status >from a command file? > Like it says in the manual, "Using C-Kermit" (command summary, p. 331), just follow EXIT by whatever number you want C-Kermit to return as its status code. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 22 15:55:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 02:12:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 02:12:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: tick@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit on os2 Date: 22 Oct 1995 11:55:40 -0400 Organization: New York University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dizzy.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This may be more of an os/2 question than a kermit question. But what does one need to set to invoke c-kermit from partition /and or file other than the one in which it is. The failure is that some piece or it cant be found. How does one tell kermit where the rest of itself is. An invocation from an icon is ok but then one is in the kermit directory. If this is a dumb-dumb or an RTFM may I beg indulgence for an OS2 starter. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 15:44:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:44:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:44:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit on os2 Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:44:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <46gd9k$6dn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu>, Leo J. Tick wrote: >This may be more of an os/2 question than a kermit question. >But what does one need to set to invoke c-kermit from >partition /and or file other than the one in which it is. >The failure is that some piece or it cant be found. How does >one tell kermit where the rest of itself is. >An invocation from an icon is ok but then one is in the >kermit directory. If this is a dumb-dumb or an RTFM may I >beg indulgence for an OS2 starter. Install with the provided INSTALL.CMD file and all will be well. There are various entries that must be placed in the CONFIG.SYS file. And the Kermit DLLs must be in the same directory as the executable. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 11:59:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:07:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:07:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC hotkeys using kermit Date: 23 Oct 95 11:59:07 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: vax.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello out there, I hope this is the right newsgroup for my question. mov by I am connecting a PC to a VAX VMS which uses VT200 keyboard type. At present I'm using kermit to map the PC's keyboard to emulate the VAX's VT200 keyboard terminal. This was done using an .INI file to set up the keyboard mapping. The question is how could I bind a command to a key while connected to the vax? I want this key to go bact to the DOS environment and and execute a 'take' command loads a different .INI file and then goes back into the emulation mode. *** Tony *** higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk London, England From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 17:46:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:46:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:46:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC hotkeys using kermit Date: 23 Oct 1995 17:46:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 77 Message-Id: <46gkdg$c65@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, wrote: : I am connecting a PC to a VAX VMS which uses VT200 : keyboard type. At present I'm using kermit to map the : PC's keyboard to emulate the VAX's VT200 keyboard terminal. : This was done using an .INI file to set up the keyboard mapping. : : The question is how could I bind a command to a key while connected : to the vax? I want this key to go bact to the DOS environment and : and execute a 'take' command loads a different .INI file and then : goes back into the emulation mode. : This is explained in the manual, in the section "macros on keys". Define a macro to do anything you want (such as TAKE'ing a file) and then assign it to the desired key. There are also ways of having the host do this (read about the PRODUCT macro). The manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95. More info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 20:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:15:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:15:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 23 Oct 1995 20:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:12 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3915 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce new technical support policies for Kermit software. Effective immediately, but with a grace period extending through November 30, 1995: . Phone support may be obtained by calling +1 (900) 555-5595. Presently, this number is available only to those calling from within the USA. Calls to this number cost $2.50 per minute. . Phone support may be also be obtained by calling +1 (212) 854-5126. This number may be called from anywhere in the world. The cost of each call is $25.00, chargeable to your MasterCard or Visa account. . Phone support is available at no charge to tech-support liaisons at sites that have purchased site licenses or bulk right-to-copy licenses. The number is +1 (212) 854-5126; a bulk or site license serial number is required. (Note: this category presently applies only to Kermit 95) Technical support is also available at no direct charge as follows: . On the Web. Point your Web browser at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and look through the Kermit FAQ and other topic areas. . By netnews. Read and post questions to comp.protocols.kermit.misc. Members of the Kermit team will respond to questions on a best-effort basis. Others may also respond. . By email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Members of the Kermit team will respond to questions on a best-effort basis. Why the new policy? Simple: One-on-one telephone support is costly and inefficient, and the demand for it has been skyrocketing in recent years. Charging for this service will allow us to expand it to keep pace with demand. You may begin using the 900 number right away. Callers to 854-5126 will be informed that this service will no longer be free after November 30. Thank you for helping us to serve you better! Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone Managers, the Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 15:25:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:24:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:24:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!swsbe6.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!inf.ethz.ch!rchishol From: rchishol@iiic.ethz.ch (Rory Alexander Chisholm) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Ckermit over local network. Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:25:58 GMT Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 36 Message-Id: <46gc66$bij@neptune.ethz.ch> Nntp-Posting-Host: raf6.inf.ethz.ch Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having problems using ckermit over out local network. My setup is this: I have ckermit running on my sparcstation at home which I use to connect at 19200 to my USR dual HST modem. I then set up a V32 connection to our university dial-in (with data compression). The dial-in is to an annex, from which I use "telnet" to connect to a local machine, I then log in and start ckermit on the remote machine to start a file transfer. My problems now include: On connect Ckermit switches the speed back from 19200 to 9600, how can I prevent this (my modem reports a connect at 9600 yes, but this is NOT what I want). More seriously, while transfer over ckermit works fine over the default settings (default packet length, window size etc). I seem to be able to increase the send (receive) packet length only to 256 bytes without problems. More accurately if I am down loading files then I chose send packet length of 256 for the remote and the same for the local end receive packet length. The window size I set to 8 and leave the rest alone. This appears to work, any packet length higher than 256 (512, 1024 etc) seems to give me major problems with NAK/timeout (yes I did set the block check to 3). So my questions are 1) any bright ideas about what could be causing this ? I don't think its line noise (since this is a v32/v42 connection) 2) What would be a better set of parameters (currently I achieve something like 30% throughput) Last but not least I use ckermit as my primary communications software is there any way to get the local ckermit it use an alternate protocol (x-modem, y-modem, z-modem) providing thats available as a program that reads from stdin for the local machine ? Sometimes this is all that is available on the remote and it would be nice not to have to remember to use tip, cu, seyon or a similar abomination when I have to down load to such a destination. Thanks for any help in advance, regards Rory Chisholm email: rchishol@math.ethz.ch From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 22 23:34:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:06:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:06:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 22 Oct 1995 23:34:07 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Message-Id: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp2-10.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Sun Oct 22 4:34:07 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to extract the path name from the name of the currently executing script file. C-kermit command files, kept in users current directory, are invoked with 'take filname.ext'. The same scripts work on both the DEC VMS and unix (aix, osf) platforms. With multiple users and machines, I want to keep all take files on a machine in the same directory as the init file so that i can get the path name into a macro and invoke them with the form 'take \m(pname)flename.tak'. I can use \v(cmdfile) to get the currently executing file name but how can i get the pathname without first pulling the platform type and parseing the filename string to get it. I am using 5A-190. Also: How compatible are C-kermit scripts with intel platform kermit. Is anything documented on script compatibility with kermit on DOS, Windows NT, and OS/2 Thank you Sol Gongola ADL Data Systems Inc. adldata@ix.netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 21:23:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:23:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:23:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 23 Oct 1995 21:23:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <46h147$nkn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, David Pollack wrote: : C-kermit command files, kept in users current directory, are invoked : with 'take filname.ext'. The same scripts work on both the DEC VMS and : unix (aix, osf) platforms. With multiple users and machines, I want to : keep all take files on a machine in the same directory as the init file : so that i can get the path name into a macro and invoke them with the : form 'take \m(pname)flename.tak'. : How about this: take \v(inidir)filename.tak \v(inidir) is a built-in variable that holds the pathname of the directory from which the initialization was (or should have been) executed, framed suitably for concatenation with a filename, subdirectory name, etc. : How compatible are C-kermit scripts with intel platform kermit. Is : anything documented on script compatibility with kermit on DOS, Windows : NT, and OS/2 : They are very compatible, despite some differences. I don't know exactly how to quantify the degree of compatibility, but we are doing our best to reconcile the differences -- the later releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit you have, the fewer incompatibilities. If you have questions about specific features, feel free to post them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 21:33:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:33:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:33:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Ckermit over local network. Date: 23 Oct 1995 21:33:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-Id: <46h1mr$o3d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46gc66$bij@neptune.ethz.ch> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46gc66$bij@neptune.ethz.ch>, Rory Alexander Chisholm wrote: : I'm having problems using ckermit over out local network. My setup is : this: I have ckermit running on my sparcstation at home which I use to : connect at 19200 to my USR dual HST modem. I then set up a V32 : connection to our university dial-in (with data compression). The : dial-in is to an annex, from which I use "telnet" to connect to a local : machine, I then log in and start ckermit on the remote machine to start : a file transfer. My problems now include: : : On connect Ckermit switches the speed back from 19200 to 9600, how can I : prevent this (my modem reports a connect at 9600 yes, but this is NOT : what I want). : Like it says in the manual: "set dial speed-matching off". : More seriously, while transfer over ckermit works fine over the default : settings (default packet length, window size etc). I seem to be able to : increase the send (receive) packet length only to 256 bytes without : problems. More accurately if I am down loading files then I chose send : packet length of 256 for the remote and the same for the local end : receive packet length. : As an aside (and as explained in the manual), the packet length is determined by the receiver. Nobody ever needs to give a "set send packet-length" command, except under very unusual circumstances. : The window size I set to 8 and leave the rest : alone. This appears to work, any packet length higher than 256 (512, : 1024 etc) seems to give me major problems with NAK/timeout (yes I did : set the block check to 3). So my questions are : : 1) any bright ideas about what could be causing this ? I don't think its : line noise (since this is a v32/v42 connection) : Lack of a fast and effective means of flow control. Try enabling RTS/CTS in C-Kermit and in your modem. Of course, you also need good (bidirectional) flow control between the remote modem and the Annex, but there's not much you can do about that. : 2) What would be a better set of parameters (currently I achieve something : like 30% throughput) : Nobody can answer that for you. The optimal combination of parameters depends entirely on the characteristics of every single component in your connection, and nobody else has the same connection you have. The only way to achieve optimal performance is to understand what the variables are and what are the consequences of changing them, and then experimenting with various combinations until you hit your peak. For some hints to get you started, see our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html : Last but not least I use ckermit as my primary communications software is : there any way to get the local ckermit it use an alternate protocol : (x-modem, y-modem, z-modem) providing thats available as a program that : reads from stdin for the local machine ? : Yes. The current version of C-Kermit for UNIX is 5A(190). It comes with a file, ckurzsz.ini, that defines macros for using rz/sz/etc as external protocols. Read the comments in that file for further information. : Sometimes this is all that is : available on the remote and it would be nice not to have to remember to use : tip, cu, seyon or a similar abomination when I have to down load to such a : destination. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 00:18:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 00:23:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 00:23:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!kmhouse From: kmhouse@chinook.halcyon.com (Kathleen M. House) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit display be turned off? Date: 24 Oct 1995 00:18:52 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus, Inc. - Professional Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-Id: <46hbdc$ej5@news1.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've written a script (heavily plagurized from the MS-DOS for Kermit manual) to log into a remote Unix box and transfer a file. The problem is that I would like to keep the Unix and Kermit commands from displaying while this is going on. I've tried set local-echo off and set display quiet, but neither of these do what I need. Does anyone know of a command to turn off the display of machine generated commands? Any help is greatly appreaciated. My machine is a 486DX using MS DOS/Windows. Kathleen House kmhouse@halcyon.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 18:04:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:58:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:58:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-ulm.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-konstanz.de!news From: Christoph Zengerling Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Sending mail with elm&kermit Date: 23 Oct 1995 18:04:06 GMT Organization: Uni Konstanz, Fak. fuer Mathematik Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: <46glem$8pn@eurybia.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: konstanz.pool.informatik.uni-konstanz.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.mail.misc Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.mail.misc:24585 comp.mail.elm:18496 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3922 comp.os.linux.misc:80468 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu if I write a mail using elm, it generates two files in /var/spool/mqueque. Both of them have crzptic names, the one contains the body of the mail, the other the header. What I want is to send my mail using kermit (for kermit sets up the most stable serial connection on my computer). One idea might be to awk the address from the header file and then to use the kermit MAIL command to send the body. Maybe someone can offer me a little program to do this. There might be better solutions, all hints are welcome. bye zg -- Please mail to reply! * * * Christoph.Zengerling@uni-konstanz.de * * Fachschaft Mathematik * From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 16:41:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:29:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:29:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jaypee From: jaypee@netcom.com (John Peterson) Subject: Re: c-kermit on os2 Message-Id: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:41:10 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: jaypee@netcom12.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> tick@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) writes: >This may be more of an os/2 question than a kermit question. >But what does one need to set to invoke c-kermit from >partition /and or file other than the one in which it is. >The failure is that some piece or it cant be found. How does >one tell kermit where the rest of itself is. >An invocation from an icon is ok but then one is in the >kermit directory. If this is a dumb-dumb or an RTFM may I >beg indulgence for an OS2 starter. From the information you have given, I'm still guessing, but it sounds like C-Kermit can't find the dynamic link libraries (.DLL files) located in the directory where you installed C-Kermit. Did you install using the install script? If you didn't, or did and answered no to "Is it OK to modify your CONFIG.SYS?" then you probably need to add the C-Kermit directory to LIBPATH=.... in your CONFIG.SYS by hand, and re-boot. Best Regards, John -- John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ - jaypee@netcom.com - MicroSoft? Just say NO! From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 18:37:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:29:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:29:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: To Frank da Cruz and Joe Doupnik Date: 23 Oct 1995 18:37:08 GMT Organization: CalvaNet. French IP Provider. Lines: 9 Message-Id: <46gnck$j99@midgard.calvacom.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp1-16.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I thank you very much for your answers. Now my procedures work well. Thanks. -+- Dominique -+- do11@calvacom.fr From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 14:10:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:10:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:10:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit display be turned off? Date: 24 Oct 1995 14:10:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <46is41$bek@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46hbdc$ej5@news1.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46hbdc$ej5@news1.halcyon.com>, Kathleen M. House wrote: : I've written a script (heavily plagurized from the MS-DOS : for Kermit manual) ... : That's what it's for :-) : ... to log into a remote Unix box and transfer : a file. The problem is that I would like to keep the Unix and : Kermit commands from displaying while this is going on. : I've tried set local-echo off and set display quiet, but neither : of these do what I need. : "set local-echo off" is not relevant, but "set display quiet" does indeed disable the file transfer display. : Does anyone know of a command to turn off the display of machine : generated commands? : What, exactly, are you seeing that you don't want to see? In any case, one way of doing this is to run Kermit from within another program (in the simplest case, a batch program) that redirects its standard output away from the screen. For example: kermit -f command-file > nul You can also make that same program put whatever you want on the screen. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 24 01:21:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:12:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:12:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 23 Oct 1995 20:21:55 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 52 Message-Id: <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if >> you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful, >> or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only >> free if you don't need them. > > No. Your statement can be read as "I want Kermit to be free >in the sense I can make money from it or use it to sell something >else which makes money for me, etc." We have covered this ground >in detail over the past year or so. But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away as has happened with lots of other software. And it still isn't quite clear what is wrong with someone else getting some value from the program. In the case of the DOS version, you are the primary author so I respect your wishes about how it should be handled, but I think the stuff going back to the old days should have been split cleanly between free versions that someone else could improve and distribute and the versions done by the current team with its restrictions. Then maybe there could be *some* version of kermit included with unix distributions, including the free ones. What good does it do to have kermit at one end only? >> Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full >> tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included >> at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would >> be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available >> in source code with modifications for special purposes from >> many sources. > > See above since it's basically the same situation. > >> I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether >> the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university >> owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could >> dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was >> contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping >> it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy. > Les, this is so vague as to be meaningless. What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people. There is room for freeBSD, BSDI, and things like 'slirp', a slip/ppp emulation that is basically a full tcp/ip implementation running in user space that would never have happened if the base code had been restricted. Once upon a time I thought that was the philosopy behind kermit too. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 00:02:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:03:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:03:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 25 Oct 1995 00:02:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >... >What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way >into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people. There is >room for freeBSD, BSDI, and things like 'slirp', a slip/ppp emulation >that is basically a full tcp/ip implementation running in user >space that would never have happened if the base code had been >restricted. Once upon a time I thought that was the philosopy >behind kermit too. > It was, but times changed. I think you are missing the difference between the Kermit project and various other projects on the net that you associate with "free software". The difference is: we are working on this full time, and with some of us, it is our real job -- even our career. We are here for the long haul, as long as there is a demand, to develop and support Kermit protocol and software. You can't say that about most of the other software that you cite. The BSD project is shut down, the people scattered to the wind. Many of the other examples are one-shot deals -- the people who created them moved on to something else -- you can't get good, dependable support for that type of software. You can for Kermit. By the way, if you or anybody else wants to contribute code, make improvements, etc, nothing is stopping you. But you have to leave administration of our copyright up to us, because long after you have moved on to something else, we will still need to be here. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 16:46:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:38:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:38:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!landau.math.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: Sven Guckes Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Sending mail with elm&kermit Date: 24 Oct 95 16:46:46 GMT Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Lines: 27 Message-Id: References: <46glem$8pn@eurybia.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: landau.math.fu-berlin.de (160.45.40.69) X-Access: 16 17 19 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.mail.misc:24617 comp.mail.elm:18507 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3928 comp.os.linux.misc:80625 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Christoph Zengerling writes: >if I write a mail using elm, it generates two files in /var/spool/mqueque. >Both of them have crzptic names, the one contains the body of the mail, >the other the header. Huh? Which version of ELM is that? >What I want is to send my mail using kermit... "kermit" isn't for sending mails. MTAs are. Check out smail or sendmail - whatever your system uses. Anyway, if ELM doesn't work - use "mail(1)". Sven Cc: Christoph Zengerling -- ELM - the "Easy Learn Mail" program. Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm The "ELM Pages" - all about ELM on the World Wide Web: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/ ELM versions: Latest release: ELM2.4PL24 [940920] Latest ME patch: ELM2.4PL24ME8b [951012] Latest alpha: ELM2.5a08 [950908] -- http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/.signature From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 12:49:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:13:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:13:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC hotkeys using kermit Message-Id: <1995Oct23.184929.64638@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Oct 95 18:49:29 MDT References: <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes: > Hello out there, > I hope this is the right newsgroup for my question. > > mov by I am connecting a PC to a VAX VMS which uses VT200 > keyboard type. At present I'm using kermit to map the > PC's keyboard to emulate the VAX's VT200 keyboard terminal. > This was done using an .INI file to set up the keyboard mapping. > > The question is how could I bind a command to a key while connected > to the vax? I want this key to go bact to the DOS environment and > and execute a 'take' command loads a different .INI file and then > goes back into the emulation mode. > > > *** Tony *** > higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk > London, England ------------- Command SET KEY, as all Kermit commands, is executed at the Kermit prompt, not while talking in Connect mode (because keystrokes go to the remote host at that stage). You would do well to read both the user's manual (see the book title on screen two of the MSK Help command) and the current release notes. They explain how to assign a macro name to a Connect mode key and what happens when that key is pressed (it can do what you want). Hint: set key \keyident {\kmacro-name} Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 01:14:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19621 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:22:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:22:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!ukma!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.concourse.com!usenet From: "Mark T. Regan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VM/CMS Kermit w/Renex Protocol Converter Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Internet Concourse Lines: 28 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.coil.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The company that I work for just recently outsourced our asynchronous dial-in network to CompuServe. Our customers dial into a CompuServe node, which then connects them to a Renex ASCII (VT102) to IBM 3270 protocol converter. The Renex box is Token-Ring connected to our VTAM network via a TIC attached 3745. The mainframe Kermit is running on our VM systems. We are using version 4.3.0 in XA mode. When we had our own dial-in network, our people dialed directly into an old Lee Data 8030 protocol converter. Now that they are coming in through CompuServe, they no longer can upload files to VM. They can download, just not upload. Most of our people are using Procomm Plus (DOS or the Windows version), but I've also been able to duplicate the problem using CKermit for OS/2 and HyperAccess/5 for OS/2. When I use the SET DEBUG option, I see that initial Kermit parameters are exchanged, but once the PC starts to send the file, VM Kermit never receives anything. I suspect that the problem might be with the Renex protocol converter, but I'm hoping that it might just be some easy parameter change that needs to be set. Thanks. ===================================================================== Mark T. Regan Internet: reganm@coil.com Network Specialist City: Reynoldsburg CTO1 USNR-R (1969-1991) State: Ohio From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 15:02:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:22:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:22:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!decwrl!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.tulane.edu!usenet From: jmcbray@rs5.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F Mcbrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit display be turned off? Date: 25 Oct 1995 10:02:06 -0500 Organization: Tulane University Lines: 20 Message-Id: References: <46hbdc$ej5@news1.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rs5.tcs.tulane.edu In-Reply-To: kmhouse@chinook.halcyon.com's message of 24 Oct 1995 00:18:52 GMT X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.85 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "KMH" == Kathleen M House writes: KMH> Does anyone know of a command to turn off the display of machine KMH> generated commands? Any help is greatly appreaciated. Try "set input echo off" and "set script echo off". I'm not sure if both of these are really necessary, but I think so. KMH> My machine is a 486DX using MS DOS/Windows. The commands I gave are for C-Kermit; I imagine they're ok for newish versions of MS-DOS Kermit, as well. -- Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Many amused Yanomamo onlookers quickly learned the English phrase | 'Oh, Shit!', and, once they discovered that the phrase offended and | irritated the missionaries, they used it as often as they could in | their presence" -- Napoleon Chagnon, _Yanomamo_ | From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 22:40:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:59:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:59:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csun.edu!galileo.csun.edu!not-for-mail From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 24 Oct 1995 15:40:20 -0700 Organization: Cal State Northridge Dept. of Physics & Astronomy Lines: 18 Message-Id: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: galileo.csun.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP series 700 machine. The PC is running MS-Kermit 3.14 and the HP is running C-Kermit 5A(190). The WORM disk is fairly slow, so I don't expect miracles, but what I'm actually seeing is transfer speeds with Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using NCSA FTP. SET WIN 4, SET BLOCK 3, SET FIL TYP BIN, SET REC PACK 2000, SET FLOW NONE, SET CONT UNP ALL, SET CONT PRE 0 1 11 13 17 19 are done at both ends of the Kermit transfer. I really need this to work better, otherwise I'm going to have to hack up MSIXSE.C to spit out commands for NCSA FTP. At the current speed of Kermit, it would take an entire 8-hour day to transfer one WORM disk side to the HP, and we have 35 disks. -- Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge "Be careful what you wish for; you might get it." swalton@csun.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 22:12:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:13:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:13:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:12:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu>, Stephen Walton wrote: >I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying >to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP >series 700 machine. The PC is running MS-Kermit 3.14 and the HP is >running C-Kermit 5A(190). The WORM disk is fairly slow, so I don't >expect miracles, but what I'm actually seeing is transfer speeds with >Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using NCSA >FTP. SET WIN 4, SET BLOCK 3, SET FIL TYP BIN, SET REC PACK 2000, SET >FLOW NONE, SET CONT UNP ALL, SET CONT PRE 0 1 11 13 17 19 are done at >both ends of the Kermit transfer. > There are several potential bottlenecks. First, of course, is the hardware -- the PC and the WORM disk -- which explains why FTP is so slow. Second would be the Kermit protocol settings. What happens if you crank up the window size and packet length? Does it make a difference? Third is flow control. Tell both Kermit programs to "set flow none". Let TCP and IP take care of it. Fourth is the TELNET overhead. When you TELNET from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 into the HP, you are going through the HP's TELNET server, not to mention pty drivers and who knows what else. It might be an interesting experiment to eliminate the TELNET overhead. You can do this as follows: 1. Start MS-DOS Kermit first. Tell it to "set tcp host *" and then "server". 2. Make a connection from C-Kermit on the HP to the PC: "set host xxx" where xxx is the IP name or address of the PC. Then initiate all the file transfers from the HP end. If you use big window size and packet length and the maximum possible control-character unprefixing: SET CONT PRE 0 1 13 255 (note the elimination of 17 and 19 because now you aren't doing Xon/Xoff any more.) I'm sure all of our readers would be interested in further reports on how this goes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 21:21:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:59:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:59:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: mario.r@ix.netcom.com (Mario Rivera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KdecF11 problems Date: 24 Oct 1995 21:21:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-Id: <46jlce$jki@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-den10-21.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Tue Oct 24 2:21:18 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently purchased KERMIT 3.14 and am having a difficulty getting the F1 key (and more actually) on my PC to emulate a KdecF11 key. I'm primarily interested in getting the F1 key to work and beleive that the rest will follow once F1 is figured out. I have Kermit 3.00 on my PC and the F1-F4 keys are set to emulate KdecF11-KdecF14 respectively. This works great and I would like to do the same using 3.14. All the rest of the keys seem to work just fine on 3.14 and if I get this fixed I'll be in business. I began by setting the parameters of 3.14 to the parameters used on 3.00. When I couldn't get the F keys to work, I tried to toggle the TERMINAL CONTROL to 7-bit and 8-bit to try to get one of those to work. I also tried to start fresh by FTPing MSVIBM.ZIP via the internet. When I set the F1 key (manually or in VT300.INI) to KdecF11, the SHOW KEY shows that it's set but the it still doesn't work. I've played around with other parameters but still haven't gotten it to work. I'm stumped. The F1 key does respond to it being pressed because there is cursor movement but it doesn't do what it should, (in this particular VAX application, it should do an exit, i.e. exit to main menu). If anyone has any information for me, I would really appreciate it. It's so close yet so far... Thanks in advance. : ) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 16:34:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:11:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:11:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!pegasus.ece.utexas.edu!kagan From: kagan@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kagan Tumer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Local Echo Options (inquiry) Date: 25 Oct 1995 16:34:20 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 18 Message-Id: <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus.ece.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently purchased a used Intel Modem. It works fine except for a quirk: when I connect with kermit, the AT commands are invidible to me. If I use "set terminal echo local" on kermit, then I get double letters when I do connect. I dont' have the manual to check for this, but a single sheet accompanying the software says that the WINFAX software turns the echo off when it exits. However, Since I'm not using this software, I can't fix the problem this way. does anyone know how to enable the echo of the AT commands without doubling the echo after the connection is made. (I'm using kermit). Thanks, -- kagan From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 01:14:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:14:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:14:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KdecF11 problems Date: 26 Oct 1995 01:14:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <46mnco$r76@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46jlce$jki@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46jlce$jki@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Mario Rivera wrote: : I recently purchased KERMIT 3.14 and am having a difficulty getting the : F1 key (and more actually) on my PC to emulate a KdecF11 key. I'm : primarily interested in getting the F1 key to work and beleive that the : rest will follow once F1 is figured out. : : I have Kermit 3.00 on my PC and the F1-F4 keys are set to emulate : KdecF11-KdecF14 respectively. This works great and I would like to do : the same using 3.14. All the rest of the keys seem to work just fine : on 3.14 and if I get this fixed I'll be in business. : : I began by setting the parameters of 3.14 to the parameters used on : 3.00. When I couldn't get the F keys to work, I tried to toggle the : TERMINAL CONTROL to 7-bit and 8-bit to try to get one of those to work. : I also tried to start fresh by FTPing MSVIBM.ZIP via the internet. When : I set the F1 key (manually or in VT300.INI) to KdecF11, the SHOW KEY : shows that it's set but the it still doesn't work. I've played around : with other parameters but still haven't gotten it to work. I'm : stumped. : : The F1 key does respond to it being pressed because there is cursor : movement but it doesn't do what it should, (in this particular VAX : application, it should do an exit, i.e. exit to main menu). : Let's try to pin this down. According to the VT220 manual, the DEC F11 key is supposed to send: 23~ where CSI is "[" in 7-bit mode, or character 155 (decimal) in 8-bit mode. Experimentation shows that if you: set key \315 \KdecF11 and then you press the F1 key, then Kermit sends exactly the right characters. So the problem would seem to be elsewhere. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 01:17:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:18:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:18:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Echo Options (inquiry) Date: 26 Oct 1995 01:17:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <46mnk0$rh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Kagan Tumer wrote: : I recently purchased a used Intel Modem. It works fine except for a : quirk: when I connect with kermit, the AT commands are invidible to me. : If I use "set terminal echo local" on kermit, then I get double letters : when I do connect. : : I dont' have the manual to check for this, but a single sheet accompanying : the software says that the WINFAX software turns the echo off when it : exits. However, Since I'm not using this software, I can't fix the problem : this way. : : does anyone know how to enable the echo of the AT commands without doubling : the echo after the connection is made. (I'm using kermit). : You don't even need the modem manual for this one. Just look in Table I-2, "Selected Hayes Smartmodem 2400 Commands", page 270 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". The command is ATE1. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 02:07:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:07:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:07:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VM/CMS Kermit w/Renex Protocol Converter Date: 26 Oct 1995 02:07:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <46mqgh$qc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark T. Regan wrote: >When we had our own dial-in network, our people dialed directly into >an old Lee Data 8030 protocol converter. Now that they are coming in >through CompuServe, they no longer can upload files to VM. They can >download, just not upload. This is characteristic of a very simple problem, but a problem that may not have a completely satisfactory solution. The fact that downloads work fine suggests that you are exceeding some inbound buffer limit when you try to upload. The fix is to issue SET REC PACKET subcommands to the mainframe Kermit with smaller and smaller values until you get a value that allows transfers to work. This results in less efficient transfers than you had before, but at least you get the files across! John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 20:06:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:49:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!newspeak.ultratech.net!worldlinx.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu (Julianne Reich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: why 2 VT100 fonts for mackermit Date: 25 Oct 1995 20:06:26 GMT Organization: UCSB Lines: 10 Message-Id: <9531reic-2510951319090001@128.111.124.34> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.111.124.34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why does it show two vt100 fonts in kermit? This font also puts spaces in some of the screens I use, where the monaco works great??? any input helpful!!!! Julianne Reich MacOs: It's not just for breakfast anymore. Julianne Reich 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 23:56:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:59:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:59:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 25 Oct 1995 23:56:37 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 61 Message-Id: <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <46h147$nkn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp1-03.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Wed Oct 25 4:56:37 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) writes: > >In <46h147$nkn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >(Frank da Cruz) writes: >> >>In article <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, >>David Pollack wrote: >>: C-kermit command files, kept in users current directory, are invoked >>: with 'take filname.ext'. The same scripts work on both the DEC VMS >and >>: unix (aix, osf) platforms. With multiple users and machines, I want >to >>: keep all take files on a machine in the same directory as the init >file >>: so that i can get the path name into a macro and invoke them with >the >>: form 'take \m(pname)flename.tak'. >>: >>How about this: >> >> take \v(inidir)filename.tak >> >>\v(inidir) is a built-in variable that holds the pathname of the >directory >>from which the initialization was (or should have been) executed, >framed >>suitably for concatenation with a filename, subdirectory name, etc. >> >>: How compatible are C-kermit scripts with intel platform kermit. Is >>: anything documented on script compatibility with kermit on DOS, >Windows >>: NT, and OS/2 >>: >>They are very compatible, despite some differences. I don't know >exactly >>how to quantify the degree of compatibility, but we are doing our best >to >>reconcile the differences -- the later releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS >Kermit >>you have, the fewer incompatibilities. If you have questions about >specific >>features, feel free to post them. >> >>- Frank > > >I can't find \v(inidir) using sho var (version 5A(190)). Not in vms >version, not in aix version. I found no refs to it in the yellow >C-Kermit book or in ckcker.upd. Do I need to compile kermit with an >additional option to get it? > >Sol Gongola woops: I found it, MS DOS kermit does have \v(inidir). But what about C-kermit. Sol From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 00:14:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:13:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:13:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Date: 26 Oct 1995 00:14:44 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 0 Message-Id: <46mjtk$ome@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp1-03.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Wed Oct 25 5:14:44 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 12:39:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:40:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:40:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: why 2 VT100 fonts for mackermit Date: 26 Oct 1995 12:39:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <46nvir$1gq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9531reic-2510951319090001@128.111.124.34> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9531reic-2510951319090001@128.111.124.34>, Julianne Reich <9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu.> wrote: : Why does it show two vt100 fonts in kermit? This font also puts spaces in : some of the screens I use, where the monaco works great??? any input : helpful!!!! : The Mac Kermit font situation is explained in total detail in the file ckmker.fon in the kermit/f area on kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 12:47:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:47:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:47:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 26 Oct 1995 12:47:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <46o01e$1nh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <46h147$nkn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, David Pollack wrote: : >>How about this: : >> : >> take \v(inidir)filename.tak : > : >I can't find \v(inidir) using sho var (version 5A(190)). Not in vms : >version, not in aix version. I found no refs to it in the yellow : >C-Kermit book or in ckcker.upd. Do I need to compile kermit with an : >additional option to get it? : : woops: I found it, MS DOS kermit does have \v(inidir). But what about : C-kermit. : Right -- It's not in C-Kermit after all. Delusions of compatibility. We'll try to have it in the next release. In the meantime, there are a couple other variables that might come in handy: \v(directory) - The current directory \v(home) - Your home directory - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 15:59:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:44:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:44:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!news.cerf.net!newsserver.sdsc.edu!acsc.com!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:59:37 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 36 Message-Id: <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Stephen Walton (swalton@galileo.csun.edu) wrote: : series 700 machine. The PC is running MS-Kermit 3.14 and the HP is : running C-Kermit 5A(190). The WORM disk is fairly slow, so I don't : expect miracles, but what I'm actually seeing is transfer speeds with : Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using NCSA : FTP. SET WIN 4, SET BLOCK 3, SET FIL TYP BIN, SET REC PACK 2000, SET : FLOW NONE, SET CONT UNP ALL, SET CONT PRE 0 1 11 13 17 19 are done at : both ends of the Kermit transfer. Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well? After a short session, use "statistics", or "show statistics" to see how many windows were used, and what packet size was used. You might need more than four windows, but probably not. What I found a while back is that my UNIX box had an 8-bit 3C503 card, and kermit transfers were very poor, although FTP was good (Novell LAN FTP). With my current mix of 16 and 32 bit ether cards, the Windows-for-Workgroups FTP, the Zmodem/Kermit/FTP in ProcommPlus, and MSKermit 3.14 all transer at good rates. FTP is the fastest of the bunch, but Kermit is not off by much. You should turn off the display if you are transferring large amounts of data. "set file display fullscreen", which normally is so informative on a modem connection, wastes a lot of time at high transfer speeds. And if all else fails, try XSEND, a utility available on columbia, intended for use with Kermit, that will also spit out ftp command sets, to transfer an entire hierarchy. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 10:50:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:50:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:50:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!io.org!winternet.com!ppp-66-175.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:02:53 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp-66-175.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve >kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away >as has happened with lots of other software. That isn't true. In the past few years, I have added a number of features to MS-Kermit. I sent them back to Columbia and they are now included for all to use. I have also looked through the code for C-Kermit when I have had problems and identified bugs or coded better solutions. The bugs have been corrected and some of the suggestions have been accepted; others haven't. The point is that if you have an idea to improve Kermit, suggest it, or code it yourself and send it in. If it is a good idea, the chances of it being selected are good. If it's not, the Kermit team will explain why they cannot use it. One of the things that has kept Kermit strong and improving over the years is that there is a single point for Kermit distribution, keeping it consistant. If you read the notes from Frank on how difficult it is to code things for the various versions of UNIX (or is it Unix or unix...) you can see that see that having multiple distributions, each with their own idiosyncrasies, is not a good thing. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 14:58:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:58:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:58:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:58:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <46o7mj$68c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <46o01e$1nh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46o01e$1nh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, >David Pollack wrote: >: woops: I found it, MS DOS kermit does have \v(inidir). But what about >: C-kermit. >: >Right -- It's not in C-Kermit after all. Delusions of compatibility. >We'll try to have it in the next release. In C-Kermit the way to do this is to use: asg _inifile \v(cmdfile) ; Get directory where this file is kept... asg _inidirlen \feval(\flength(\m(_inifile))-11) asg _inidir \fsubstr(\m(_inifile),1,\m(_inidirlen)) Then you can reference \m(_inidir) wherever you need \v(inidir) Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 10:02:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:10:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:10:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!uknet!galint.com!usenet From: phil.launchbury@galint.com (Phil Launchbury) Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Sending mail with elm&kermit Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:02:28 GMT Organization: Galileo International Lines: 33 Message-Id: <46l8tp$6hd@firewall.galint.com> References: <46glem$8pn@eurybia.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Reply-To: phil.launchbury@galint.com Nntp-Posting-Host: launcap.galint.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.mail.misc:24694 comp.mail.elm:18535 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3946 comp.os.linux.misc:80876 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sven Guckes wrote: >Christoph Zengerling writes: >>if I write a mail using elm, it generates two files in /var/spool/mqueque. >>Both of them have crzptic names, the one contains the body of the mail, >>the other the header. >Huh? Which version of ELM is that? It's not elm at all.. elm is a mail reader - it does not handle the mail transport at all.. /var/spool/mqueue is the queue directory used by sendmail & the files that you have described are the standard files that sendmail creates. One assumes that what is happening is that you are originating the mail in elm & handing it off to sendmail >>What I want is to send my mail using kermit... >"kermit" isn't for sending mails. MTAs are. In fact, kermit is a transport protocol (I think..) Phil. |--------------------------------------------------------| | Phil Launchbury | | Email : phil.launchbury@galint.com (Work) | | : phil@catsoft.demon.co.uk (Home) | | Those who think they cannot succeed will not. | |--------------------------------------------------------| From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 19:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:32:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:32:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!rochester!cornellcs!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with PC to HP/UX file transfers Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:24:44 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <46m2ts$qd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been successfully using C-Kermit on an HP 710 workstation running HP/UX version 8.x to receive both text and binary files from PC's using a wide range of communications packages for approx. 5 years with no significant problems. When I recently upgraded to HP/UX version 9.03 I began having constant problems with transfers from all my PC users. Typically a file will be partially received and then fail on repeated timeout errors. I've had litterally every piece of hardware in the workstation replaced to no avail. and had the phone lines checked . HP has not been able to over any help and am getting very desperate. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 20:30:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:59:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:59:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!pegasus.ece.utexas.edu!kagan From: kagan@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kagan Tumer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Echo Options (inquiry) Date: 26 Oct 1995 20:30:37 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 11 Message-Id: <46or5d$59m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <46mnk0$rh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus.ece.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : You don't even need the modem manual for this one. Just look in Table : I-2, "Selected Hayes Smartmodem 2400 Commands", page 270 of "Using MS-DOS : Kermit". : The command is ATE1. tried it. doesn't work... thanks for the suggestion though. -- kagan From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 13:25:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:26:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:26:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with PC to HP/UX file transfers Date: 27 Oct 1995 13:25:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <46qml2$dce@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46m2ts$qd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46m2ts$qd@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, PGassman wrote: : I've been successfully using C-Kermit on an HP 710 workstation running : HP/UX version 8.x to receive both text and binary files from PC's using : a wide range of communications packages for approx. 5 years with no : significant problems. When I recently upgraded to HP/UX version 9.03 I : began having constant problems with transfers from all my PC users. : Typically a file will be partially received and then fail on repeated : timeout errors. I've had litterally every piece of hardware in the : workstation replaced to no avail. and had the phone lines checked . HP : has not been able to over any help and am getting very desperate. Any : assistance would be greatly appreciated. : For lack of any indication to the contrary, I assume you are using the very old 4E(072) version of C-Kermit because that is what most users of HP-UX versions prior to 10.0 have. The current version of C-Kermit, 5A(190), should work just fine on HP-UX 9.03 (and all other HP-UX versions), since it was explicitly developed for the various HP-UX platforms. For further information, point your Web browser at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 13:28:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:28:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:28:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Echo Options (inquiry) Date: 27 Oct 1995 13:28:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <46qmp7$df0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <46mnk0$rh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46or5d$59m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46or5d$59m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Kagan Tumer wrote: :: You don't even need the modem manual for this one. Just look in Table :: I-2, "Selected Hayes Smartmodem 2400 Commands", page 270 of "Using MS-DOS :: Kermit". : :: The command is ATE1. : :tried it. doesn't work... thanks for the suggestion though. : Then: a. You have a VERY STRANGE modem, or: b. Your PC is suffering from "can talk but not listen" syndrome, which is described at length in the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, section 6. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 10:45:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:53:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:53:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!ucthpx!news From: Obie Oberholster Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Remote Printing Date: 25 Oct 1995 10:45:31 GMT Organization: University of Cape Town Lines: 22 Message-Id: <46l4gb$1th@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: elan.sfri.ac.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP20) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am quite new to this field and don't know kermit at all. I have a question that I hope one of the kermit boffins can help me solve. We have a UNIX box running IMPACT software under XENIX at one site, and a 486 DOS PC at a remote site. A printer is connected to the remote "DOS" site. The two sites are connected via modem. The "DOS" site has kermit installed on it. Now for the problem. We would like to do remote printing from the XENIX site on the DOS site's printer. Is there a way with kermit to do this, and if so, how do you do it. Even a reference to a site with kermit FAQ's will help. The DOS site is at a warehouse and usually "unattended". The XENIX site would like to print orders at the warehouse "automatically", so that the workers can just pick up the printout, and ship the order. Any ideas will be welcome. Please e-mail replies to obie@elan.sfri.ac.za Thank you for your time Obie Oberholster From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 23:59:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:02:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24081 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:02:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!rug.nl!peter From: peter@nvsf1.phys.rug.nl (Peter Smulders) Subject: Re: Sending mail with elm&kermit Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Lines: 23 Sender: root@rug.nl (Operator) Nntp-Posting-Host: nvsf1.phys.rug.nl Organization: NVSF Rijksuniversiteit Groningen X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <46glem$8pn@eurybia.rz.uni-konstanz.de> <46l8tp$6hd@firewall.galint.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:59:37 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.mail.misc:24729 comp.mail.elm:18547 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3952 comp.os.linux.misc:80971 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Phil Launchbury (phil.launchbury@galint.com) wrote: > Sven Guckes wrote: > >Christoph Zengerling writes: > >>What I want is to send my mail using kermit... > >"kermit" isn't for sending mails. MTAs are. > In fact, kermit is a transport protocol (I think..) Program Kermit does have a command MAIL, but I don't understand why anyone would want to use this facility. It does not even have an option to put in a Subject line. What I understand is that you have a Kermit on host A, in command mode, talking to a Kermit on host B in server mode. Then from host A, you can give a command MAIL , and the file will be sent from A to B using the kermit protocol, and subsequently e-mailed from host B to recipient, presumably by calling 'mail' or 'sendmail'. -- Peter From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 18:11:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:11:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:11:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Remote Printing Date: 27 Oct 1995 18:11:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <46r7cr$rfk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46l4gb$1th@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46l4gb$1th@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>, Obie Oberholster wrote: : I am quite new to this field and don't know kermit at all. I have a : question that I hope one of the kermit boffins can help me solve. We : have a UNIX box running IMPACT software under XENIX at one site, and a : 486 DOS PC at a remote site. A printer is connected to the remote "DOS" : site. The two sites are connected via modem. The "DOS" site has kermit : installed on it. : : Now for the problem. We would like to do remote printing from the XENIX : site on the DOS site's printer. Is there a way with kermit to do this, : and if so, how do you do it. Even a reference to a site with kermit : FAQ's will help. The DOS site is at a warehouse and usually : "unattended". The XENIX site would like to print orders at the : warehouse "automatically", so that the workers can just pick up the : printout, and ship the order. : Follow the directions in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", for making the PC the remote computer, and put it server mode. You can protect it with a password, etc, if you want to. Now C-Kermit on the Xenix computer can place a call to the PC's modem and then simply: send prn More info about Kermit manuals and Kermit itself at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 03:21:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!hookup!nic.ott.hookup.net!noc.tor.hookup.net!ve3ied!whome!telly!evan From: evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:21:28 GMT References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >This is to announce new technical support policies for Kermit software. >Effective immediately, but with a grace period extending through >November 30, 1995: > . Phone support may be obtained by calling +1 (900) 555-5595. > Calls to this number cost $2.50 per minute. > . Phone support may be also be obtained by calling +1 (212) 854-5126. > The cost of each call is $25.00 > . Phone support is available at no charge to tech-support liaisons at > sites that have purchased site licenses or bulk right-to-copy licenses. >Technical support is also available at no direct charge as follows: > . On the Web. > . By netnews. > . By email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Excellent. This is a fine way to provide support, and much in line with what other software organizations have done to keep support overhead to a minimum. It provides significant incentive for people to RTFM, while providing adequate no-cost channels to report genuine (suspected) bugs. Now that the "it costs too much to support" excuse is gone, will this new support policy allow the Keepers of Kermit to liberate themselves from their silly anti-CDROM-distribution position? -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario SCO & Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504 There are two types of people: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 03:11:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:35:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Message-Id: <1995Oct26.091118.64958@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Oct 95 09:11:18 MDT References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net> <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu>, swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes: > In article <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: >>Stephen Walton (swalton@galileo.csun.edu) wrote: >> >>: [I'm seeing slow Kermit transfer speeds over a network. My >>: SET parameters deleted, but they are all for high-speed.] >>Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well? > > It's in there; I left it off the list. > >>After a short session, use "statistics", or "show statistics" to see how >>many windows were used, and what packet size was used. > > The full screen display never goes above 2 out of 4 windows in use, > and 2000-byte packets are also being used. > >>You should turn off the display if you are transferring large amounts of >>data. > > Ah. I remember reading that but had forgotten. It is significant for > C Kermit because of its use of termcap/terminfo, but is it significant > for the direct screen writes of MS-Kermit? Even so, it is hard to > believe it will make a factor-of-3 difference, but I'll give it > a try. Thanks. --------------- Formatted (file transfer) screens do cost a little with MSK too, but very little unless very high speeds (or an unusually slow video system) are used. As a guide on inherent speed as seen at my site, MSK on a 486-66 gets about 80+KB/sec for file transfers to our campus DEC Alpha cluster, upon which CKermit is running. This is over Telnet (Ethernet topology) and no unprefixing done and the display left drawing its bar across the screen. Sort of out of the box MSK but with 1KB packets and 4 window slots. CKermit was running in server mode on the Alphas, and it had no separate screen. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 26 03:47:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csun.edu!galileo.csun.edu!not-for-mail From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 25 Oct 1995 20:47:26 -0700 Organization: Cal State Northridge Dept. of Physics & Astronomy Lines: 26 Message-Id: <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: galileo.csun.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: >Stephen Walton (swalton@galileo.csun.edu) wrote: > >: [I'm seeing slow Kermit transfer speeds over a network. My >: SET parameters deleted, but they are all for high-speed.] >Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well? It's in there; I left it off the list. >After a short session, use "statistics", or "show statistics" to see how >many windows were used, and what packet size was used. The full screen display never goes above 2 out of 4 windows in use, and 2000-byte packets are also being used. >You should turn off the display if you are transferring large amounts of >data. Ah. I remember reading that but had forgotten. It is significant for C Kermit because of its use of termcap/terminfo, but is it significant for the direct screen writes of MS-Kermit? Even so, it is hard to believe it will make a factor-of-3 difference, but I'll give it a try. Thanks. -- Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge "Be careful what you wish for; you might get it." swalton@csun.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 21:24:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:24:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:24:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 27 Oct 1995 21:24:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <46rilg$8ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net> <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu>, swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes: > In article <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: >>Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well? > > It's in there; I left it off the list. No, you *don't* need to change the SEND packet size. That is controlled by the receiving Kermit. The only purpose for setting the SEND packet size is to reduce it below what the receiver asks for (or to specify the size if the receiving Kermit is so primitive that it doesn't ask). John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 21:44:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:04:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:04:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 27 Oct 1995 16:44:08 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 24 Message-Id: <46rjr8$6du@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <465u7q$kpu@mars.mcs.com> <46628c$qdn@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46628c$qdn@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >Kermit is free. But that doesn't mean that the source code can't be >copyrighted. Just because Kermit is available to everyone doesn't mean >that the source code is there to be butchered by everyone (at least not >without the author's consent). Kermit is only free if you go get it yourself. I suppose if you are a university you can get away with telling the students they have to do it themselves. The rest of the world can't so people end up using something else and you can't count on finding kermit on the other end of a file transfer anymore. >The philosophy didn't change, just the times. It just doesn't seem like the old days when each release would have contributions from at least dozens of sources. I don't think there has been a general decline in free software. The other contributors have just moved to items with less restricted distribution. Why give something away if the people who need it can't use it? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 17:29:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:11:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19558 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:11:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!delmarva.com!news-out.internetmci.com!internetMCI!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!jaxnet.jaxnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:29:25 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 43 Message-Id: <46oh55$n82@ccnet2.ccnet.com> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: gbernard@dbc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) wrote: >In article <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>This is to announce new technical support policies for Kermit software. >>Effective immediately, but with a grace period extending through >>November 30, 1995: >> . Phone support may be obtained by calling +1 (900) 555-5595. >> Calls to this number cost $2.50 per minute. >> . Phone support may be also be obtained by calling +1 (212) 854-5126. >> The cost of each call is $25.00 >> . Phone support is available at no charge to tech-support liaisons at >> sites that have purchased site licenses or bulk right-to-copy licenses. >>Technical support is also available at no direct charge as follows: >> . On the Web. >> . By netnews. >> . By email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. >Excellent. This is a fine way to provide support, and much in line with >what other software organizations have done to keep support overhead to >a minimum. It provides significant incentive for people to RTFM, while >providing adequate no-cost channels to report genuine (suspected) bugs. I agree. I have the manual and work out as much as I can, and use the USENET group when my internal brain death takes over ;-) >Now that the "it costs too much to support" excuse is gone, will this >new support policy allow the Keepers of Kermit to liberate themselves >from their silly anti-CDROM-distribution position? I've heard of biting the hand that feeds you before, but now have an excellent example of such. gb Greg Bernard gbernard@dbc.com 1900 South Norfolk Street All opinions, if I had any, are my own. San Mateo CA 94403 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 11:20:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:17:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:17:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.cc.uic.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u54294 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:20:49 CDT From: Message-Id: <95300.162049U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VM/CMS Kermit w/Renex Protocol Converter References: <46mqgh$qc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I had somewhat similar problems with a Renex protocol converter and communications between a Unix-based C-Kermit and MVS/TSO Kermit at my last client. As for you, the difficulties emerged when moving to the Renex from another brand (which name I forget). In any case, I discovered the following things when asked to help out: 1) Renex doesn't recommend use of XON/XOFF flow-control at speeds above 9600 baud, and told me that they were going to remove it as a configuration option for higher-speed ports in the future. I think that 9600 is a general cutoff for software flow-control use in most environments, at least informally. So use RTS/CTS flow-control if at all possible. It's also faster. 2) Remember that flow-control is without meaning on the IBM mainframe side of the protocol converter. RS232 flow-control, that is. Communications are SNA/SDLC from that point to MVS/TSO Kermit, which communicates with tput, and has therefore no control over flow. 3) As a corollary to (2), if your modems have an option to pass flow-control thru the phone or WAN connection so as to achieve application-to-application flow-control, DISABLE it, at least if you are using a reasonably recent mode such as V.42. All that matters is that the Renex control flow to its local modem, and that the host on the other end of the line do the same to its local modem. The modems will take care of the rest. The modems in my situation were Motorola Codex's (if memory serves...), they had this option, and disabling it was one of the keys to the solution. 4) Renex had some internal port monitoring software which we made a little use of (as does Kermit, of course). I found Renex tech support to be quite capable and helpful, once I got their attention. Unlike some vendors, they took Kermit seriously and were interested in catering to Kermit users. Hope this helps....Nick G. +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Just another roller-bearing | Nick Geovanis U54294@uicvm.uic.edu | | ...in the Data Warehouse | Unix software and sysadmin | +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 16:14:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 12:59:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 12:59:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 28 Oct 1995 11:14:10 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 42 Message-Id: <46tksi$qeq@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , JamesSturdevant wrote: >In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >>But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve >>kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away >>as has happened with lots of other software. > >That isn't true. In the past few years, I have added a number of features to >MS-Kermit. I sent them back to Columbia and they are now included for all to >use. Yes, you can give it back to Columbia. You can't give the modified copies to your friends. >The point is that if you have an idea to improve Kermit, suggest it, or code >it yourself and send it in. If it is a good idea, the chances of it being >selected are good. If it's not, the Kermit team will explain why they cannot >use it. I've done that. You'll find my name among the large list of contributors to the unix version. I still can't give copies to the people who need it. I can't count on kermit being available on other systems I call because it can't be included in distributions. I probably won't do it again. >One of the things that has kept Kermit strong and improving over the years is >that there is a single point for Kermit distribution, keeping it consistant. >If you read the notes from Frank on how difficult it is to code things for the >various versions of UNIX (or is it Unix or unix...) you can see that see that >having multiple distributions, each with their own idiosyncrasies, is not a >good thing. I agree in terms of having a single point of control, but I don't see how allowing free distribution hurts any of the GNU or BSD code. Yes, it is a massive job and I don't object to having commercial versions. I just wish some version could be turned over to the GNU project or some other group that could maintain it in a form that is freely available, even if it just did the basic file transfers without all the new bells and whistles. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 14:46:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 16:54:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 16:54:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!i2unix!cesi!meregalli From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT300 terminal emulation Message-Id: <1995Oct27.154634.911@cesi> Date: 27 Oct 95 15:46:34 +0100 Organization: Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano, Milano, Italy Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I have a couple of problems with MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation: 1) If I execute VT300.INI to emulate the LK200 keyboard I can no longer use the rollback feature, at least by whole screens, because PageUp is tied to the Previous Screen key. I can only use Ctrl/PageUp to move one line at a time. Do you know any way to move a screenful at a time? 2) How can I stop the screen? I know that Ctrl/S works, but I'd prefer a single key to act like a Hold/Release button. Can I have that? Thank you --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto Meregalli, DIF tel. +39 2 2125 249 CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 20134 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 18:32:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:10:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:10:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Sothamith Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with C-Kermit & the modem device Date: 26 Oct 1995 13:32:38 -0500 Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 24 Distribution: na Message-Id: <46ok86$f16@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: maroon.tc.umn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a problem getting C-Kermit to interact properly on a Sun 1000 with a telebit modem. C-Kermit functions properly, but after HANGUP and leaving the program, users attempting to dial into the machine will receieve a connection to the modem, but will never get the login prompt. We have isolated Kermit as the program affecting a change in the config of the modem and port. I can reset the modem/port to allow logins again by using 'tip cuab' and sending "ATL7\n", then subsequently issuing 'sacadm -x -p zsmon' as superuser. However, I would prefer to address the reason why Kermit is changing this configuration, and how, via either some commands that I am overlooking, or via a code modification, I can change this. I have searched desperately though my Using C-Kermit book by da Cruz and Gianone-- to no avail. If anyone has any suggestions I sure would appreciate an email, or a reply to this posting. Thanks -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Boyer chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu 612-772-2966 H ------------- Mike_Boyer@notes.pw.com 612-830-4831 W Where there is the necessary technical skill to move mountains, there is no need for the faith that moves mountains. -Eric Hoffer, U.S. philosopher From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 13:07:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:51:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:51:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT300 terminal emulation Message-Id: <1995Oct28.190758.65236@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Oct 95 19:07:58 MDT References: <1995Oct27.154634.911@cesi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct27.154634.911@cesi>, meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) writes: > Hello! > > I have a couple of problems with MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation: > > 1) If I execute VT300.INI to emulate the LK200 keyboard I can no > longer use the rollback feature, at least by whole screens, because > PageUp is tied to the Previous Screen key. I can only use Ctrl/PageUp > to move one line at a time. Do you know any way to move a screenful at > a time? > > 2) How can I stop the screen? I know that Ctrl/S works, but I'd prefer > a single key to act like a Hold/Release button. Can I have that? > --------- Don't bother with vt300.ini. The bare MSK does a very nice job of all this. You can review vt300.ini and see if there are parts you wish to keep or modify. Please have a look at the documentation on keyboard verbs. You will find \kholdscrn. That shows too if you say SET KEY, press any key, then press ? for the definition (see choices). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 13:10:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27938 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:51:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:51:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit Message-Id: <1995Oct28.191040.65237@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Oct 95 19:10:39 MDT References: <46tule$p9n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46tule$p9n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk>, etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk writes: > It takes a few minutes for me to get a 1.5 megabyte binary file from > somewhere in the USA to my host in London; it then took 3.75 HOURS > to download this to my computer via modem (a local call) using C-Kermit! > What can I do about that? Explanations gratefully received. > --Ivan-- etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk ----------- None offered on such skimpy evidence. I presume you have considered the file size and the speed of your modem connection and made the appropriate calculations about how long it takes. The release documentation offers many helpful words of advice on performance selections. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 22:03:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 04:10:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 04:10:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct26.180344.1683@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 26 Oct 95 18:03:44 -0400 References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: SNIP.... > > What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way > into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people. There is > Les Mikesell Les, so has the sendmail program, the major loophole into unix that people are STILL exploiting 10 years after the Morris internet worm... if the send mail program had been single-sourced like kermit maybe it would have been fixed... i'm glad i run another type system looking at stuff like that. no flames please, just my humble opinion that may and probably is wrong. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 11:26:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:44:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:44:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct28.172619.65234@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Oct 95 17:26:19 MDT References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46tksi$qeq@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46tksi$qeq@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article , > JamesSturdevant wrote: >>In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >>>But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve >>>kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away >>>as has happened with lots of other software. >> >>That isn't true. In the past few years, I have added a number of features to >>MS-Kermit. I sent them back to Columbia and they are now included for all to >>use. > > Yes, you can give it back to Columbia. You can't give the modified copies > to your friends. > >>The point is that if you have an ideaFrom news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 19:01:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:44:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:44:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!brutus.bright.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!qmw!unl.ac.uk!ETX8PIGGOTL From: etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit Date: 28 Oct 1995 19:01:02 GMT Organization: University of North London. Lines: 5 Message-Id: <46tule$p9n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Reply-To: etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: clstr.unl.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It takes a few minutes for me to get a 1.5 megabyte binary file from somewhere in the USA to my host in London; it then took 3.75 HOURS to download this to my computer via modem (a local call) using C-Kermit! What can I do about that? Explanations gratefully received. --Ivan-- etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk rsions. > I just wish some version could be turned over to the GNU project or > some other group that could maintain it in a form that is freely > available, even if it just did the basic file transfers without all > the new bells and whistles. ---------- Being practical here rather than arguing over moralistic issues, users are far better off getting the latest Kermits from Columbia rather than using ancient versions found on distribution media. Look at how old that stuff is. Getting them is very easy. Supporting them is not cheap, as you know and seemingly wish to avoid. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 05:29:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:30:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:30:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntpserver.pppl.gov!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Psychos 'R Us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Maximum transfer speed Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:29:00 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 34 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This may have asked numerous times but I need the info pretty bad. I'm trying to download Big Files from a HP server. The Y-modem-G was not robust enough, and Z-modem has some problem working out. Basically the I'm logging into the HP server as a dumb terminal. Both the HP-UX kermit and the OS/2 kermit (on my end) are 5A(191). But for some reason, I cannot break through the 1041cps barrier. Using the Y-modem-G, the maximum transfer is at 1681cps. The modems (a Hayes Accura 14.4 and a Cardinal 14.4) operate at 14.4bps. On the average, I get one transfer error every 10 minutes (that's mathmatical average -- the real stuff is quite random but the phone noise is there). On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 end, I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and everything else is as-is. Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit (MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length beyond 371! Oh well... If anyone has suggestions or insights, please e-mail me. I'm not really familiar with kermit so pleae bear with me. TIA ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Q: How many Mac users does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None -- there is no icon for that. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 04:32:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:03:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:03:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!pirates!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!ukcc.uky.edu!JJSTEP00 From: JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu (Jason Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup on receive Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:32:24 EDT Organization: The University of Kentucky Lines: 22 Message-Id: <174447818S86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ukcc.uky.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's one that's got me stumped: I just recently got a new machine with a faster (Global Village Teleport Gold II) modem and am now having problems downloading with Kermit. It seems when I try to download a file on my Performa 6116CD at 9600 bps my modem hangs up. I didn't have this problem at 2400 bps on the internal modem in my PowerBook 145, but of course I'd rather not have to go back to using the slower modem. I've read the FAQ and Using C-Kermit and tried everything that I can think of: setting speed matching off as well as on, tried all possible parity settings, etc. Is there something I'm not doing. This problem occurs with Mac-Kermit 0.991(190) and 0.992(192). I have edit 188, but haven't tried it, since I'm fairly certain that it will happen there as well. Oh, and you'd probably also like to know that this is happening while trying to download from VM/CMS on an IBM 3090 mainframe through a series 1 protocol converter. Anyone have any suggestions? And I'm supposed to be fixing MacKermit! :-) +----------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Jason Stephenson | "Curiouser and curiouser," | | jjstep00@ukcc.uky.edu | said Alice. | +----------------------------+-----------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 11:47:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:47:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:46:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Message-Id: <1995Oct29.174729.65311@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Oct 95 17:47:29 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Psychos 'R Us writes: > This may have asked numerous times but I need the info pretty bad. > > I'm trying to download Big Files from a HP server. The Y-modem-G was not > robust enough, and Z-modem has some problem working out. Basically the > I'm logging into the HP server as a dumb terminal. Both the HP-UX kermit > and the OS/2 kermit (on my end) are 5A(191). But for some reason, I > cannot break through the 1041cps barrier. Using the Y-modem-G, the > maximum transfer is at 1681cps. The modems (a Hayes Accura 14.4 and a > Cardinal 14.4) operate at 14.4bps. On the average, I get one transfer > error every 10 minutes (that's mathmatical average -- the real stuff is > quite random but the phone noise is there). > > On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 end, > I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and everything else > is as-is. > > Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit > (MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length > beyond 371! Oh well... ------------ Your last paragraph contains a useful piece of information. A packet length of 371 bytes is not the kind of number we normally choose for packets, but it is the kind of number which arises when a packet is dinged and the sending side shrinks them upon retries. That's the "rubber packet" heuristic. In most cases of this kind our first response is "flow control, flow control!" For best flow control use hardware RTS/CTS between your machine and the modem, expect the modems to do their modem to modem flow control under V.everything, and cross your fingers that your remote host does snappy flow control with its modem too. Flow control must be carried through from end to end, else traffic jams yield lost bytes. The second response is, maybe there is a terminal server or other comms box between you and the host and it is unable to handle fast traffic without dropping bytes. Terminal servers are often quite wierd boxes. The third and usually last blind suggestion is ensure your OS/2 end has a decent serial port, typically a 16550A UART, so it does not drop bytes under load. Hopefully in this list will be something which applies. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 15:40:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:55:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:55:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, Compuserve and VMS Date: 29 Oct 1995 15:40:42 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 43 Message-Id: <47079q$1ju@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <46s20o$mjh@flood.xnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:113425 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3973 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46s20o$mjh@flood.xnet.com>, Peter Mikalajunas wrote: > >We use Compuserve's network to provide access to our VMS system. > >When users login, they have a menu that allows them to send PC files >to other users via C-Kermit. Unfortunately the files are being >trashed. > >On the VMS side, I have: >SET FILE TYPE BINARY ^^^^^^ >SET BUFFERS 32000 32000 >SET REC PACK 4096 >SET SEND PACK 4096 >SET PARITY SPACE >SET FILE BYTE 7 >... >The files are mainly zipped archives. The files upload and download ^^^ >ok. But zip reports an error when unzipping. The file size is ok, but >the 32 bit CRC is changed in the upload/download process. I have checked >and once the file is uploaded, Zip on the VMS also reports a trashed >archive. Ack! You didn't read the .BWR file that came with VMS C-Kermit, did you? Quoting from the file... ----begin quote FILE TRANSFER File transfer modes (TEXT vs BINARY) are set automatically for each file when sending. The SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands are ignored when sending files. To force binary-mode transmission, use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. See the VMS appendix of "Using C-Kermit". ----end quote ZIP files on VMS are Stream-LF type files, which C-Kermit will interpret as text type files. You want SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 02:49:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:56:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01223 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:56:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!feeley From: feeley@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Jeff Feeley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can kermit output key combos? Date: 29 Oct 1995 02:49:19 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 19 Message-Id: <46uq3f$ggm@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello I have set kermit 3.14 up in such a way that students at our university will be able to press an "F" key and switch to a given language. I have set up kermit to decode much more than the standard LATIN1, LATIN2, CYRILLIC, and HEBREW that comes as is. For F10 I have kermit load "DANSI" which is a Korean "hangul" language interpreter TSR. To activate or deactivate it one must press --. I have implemented a slick ".ini" file that unloads any TSRs before loading another. There is a bug however. If DANSI is activated and I press another "F" key for another language, by unloading it while it is active, it messes the screen up and there seems to be no recovering from this once it happens. What I would like to do is with all other "F" key kermit scripts, have kermit "type" -- to first deactivate DANSI, and then proceed to unload any TSRs. This would eliminate the screen mess. -- -Jeff feeley@astro.ocis.temple.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 02:18:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:56:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:56:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can kermit output key combos? Message-Id: <1995Oct29.081806.65270@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Oct 95 08:18:06 MDT References: <46uq3f$ggm@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46uq3f$ggm@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, feeley@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Jeff Feeley) writes: > Hello > I have set kermit 3.14 up in such a way that students at our university will be > able to press an "F" key and switch to a given language. I have set up kermit > to decode much more than the standard LATIN1, LATIN2, CYRILLIC, and HEBREW that > comes as is. For F10 I have kermit load "DANSI" which is a Korean "hangul" > language interpreter TSR. To activate or deactivate it one must press > --. I have implemented a slick ".ini" file that > unloads any TSRs before loading another. There is a bug however. If DANSI is > activated and I press another "F" key for another language, by unloading it > while it is active, it messes the screen up and there seems to be no recovering > from this once it happens. What I would like to do is with all other "F" key > kermit scripts, have kermit "type" -- to first > deactivate DANSI, and then proceed to unload any TSRs. This would eliminate > the screen mess. -------------- As I interpret your message the DANSI TSR uses hot key combo and that would be the TSR trapping keyboard information beneath the BIOS. Kermit does not bypass the keyboard BIOS, and it never "feeds" information down there to percolate upward. So the answer to the question is no, Kermit can't do what you want. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 04:57:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:24:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:24:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 29 Oct 1995 04:57:28 GMT From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03455@niftyserv.or.jp, agcO3455@niftyserv.or.jp, abb03396@niftyserv.or.jp, nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, hary@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pl.my, toxO4994@niftyserv.or.jp, chiu@pll.my, ben@I.net (Yoshio Koseki) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pup,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time,comp.protocols.time.ntp,comp.publish,comp.publish.cdrom,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.publish.electronic.developer,comp.publish.electronic.end-user,comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.realtime,comp.research,comp.research.japan,comp.risks,comp.robotics,comp.robotics.misc,comp.robotics.research,comp.security,comp.security.announce,comp.security.firewalls,comp.security.misc,comp.security.unix,comp.simulation,comp.society,comp.society.cu-digest,comp.society.development Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 01:44:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 05:21:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 05:21:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.xnet.com!kd9fb From: kd9fb@flood.xnet.com (Peter Mikalajunas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit, Compuserve and VMS Date: 28 Oct 1995 01:44:15 GMT Organization: XNet - A Full Service Internet Provider - (708) 983-6064 Lines: 39 Message-Id: <46s1tf$mjh@flood.xnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: monsoon.xnet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use Compuserve's network to provide access to our VMS system. When users login, they have a menu that allows them to send PC files to other users via C-Kermit. Unfortunately the files are being trashed. On the VMS side, I have: SET FILE TYPE BINARY SET BUFFERS 32000 32000 SET REC PACK 4096 SET SEND PACK 4096 SET PARITY SPACE SET FILE BYTE 7 On the PC side, using MS-Kermit, I have: SET PARITY SPACE SET FILE TYPE BINARY SET REC PACK 4096 SET SEND PACK 4096 The files are mainly zipped archives. The files upload and download ok. But zip reports an error when unzipping. The file size is ok, but the 32 bit CRC is changed in the upload/download process. I have checked and once the file is uploaded, Zip on the VMS also reports a trashed archive. Any help would be appreciated. Pete Mikalajunas kdf9b@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~kd9fb From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:15:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:17:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:15:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with C-Kermit & the modem device Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:15:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Distribution: na Message-Id: <472mlk$6l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46ok86$f16@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46ok86$f16@maroon.tc.umn.edu>, Sothamith Chau wrote: : I am having a problem getting C-Kermit to interact properly on a Sun 1000 : with a telebit modem. C-Kermit functions properly, but after HANGUP and : leaving the program, users attempting to dial into the machine will : receieve a connection to the modem, but will never get the login prompt. : : We have isolated Kermit as the program affecting a change in the config of : the modem and port. I can reset the modem/port to allow logins again by : using 'tip cuab' and sending "ATL7\n", then subsequently issuing : 'sacadm -x -p zsmon' as superuser. However, I would prefer to address the : reason why Kermit is changing this configuration, and how, via either some : commands that I am overlooking, or via a code modification, I can change : this. : This is an open problem. I don't think it's Kermit's "fault". There has been no end of trouble with ports on Solaris, particularly those that are set up for bidirectional use, when the same code (more or less) works on hundreds of other UNIX versions. According to one informant, there is a bug in Solaris 2.3 that causes this; bug ID 1191317, and a corresponding patch 101720-02, but there is no corresponding patch for Solaris 2.4. It's not clear to me whether Sun acknowledges a bug in Solaris 2.4. Many people point out that the problem does not happen with TIP, CU, etc. But that, I believe, is because these are Sun products, which are either engineered to work around the problem, or are coded to use some API that we don't know about. Another informant supplies this hint (regarding TIP): "it opens the port, does an ioctl setflags with XCLUDE and HUPCL...". Evidently XCLUDE is not documented anywhere, except in the header file that defines it: #define XCLUDE 0100000 /* *V7* Exclusive use coming from XENIX */ That's all I know. Further info would be appreciated, especially from anybody who has a Solaris 2.3 or 2.4 system and a bidirectional port who can try adding this flag and seeing what difference it makes. In the meantime, it seems the safest course is (as always) to avoid bidirectional port setups in Solaris (and most other UNIX variants) whenever possible. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:25:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:27:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:25:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem file for MS-Kermit 3.14 and Compaq Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:25:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <472n83$lt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James K. Huggins wrote: >I just recently picked up a nice new Compaq Presario machine with >a Compaq proprietary 14.4 fax/modem. Any ideas out there as to >which of the standard modem files with MS-Kermit is the "best" to >use with it? > >I seem to have reasonable success with the Practical Peripherals >script (PPI.SCR), though I needed to add a new option (S35=0) to get >my modem to stop sending some goofy tone across the line. Just >wondering if anyone was familiar with the Compaq modems enough to >know if there's a better choice. > I suppose it would be too much to hope for that the modem came with a manual or even a reference card. We hear stories all too often of prepackaged internal modems that not only come with no documentation at all, but not even a brand name. So the poor user has no idea what to do with it, other than to use the prebundled software, which, of course, only runs under the prebundled operating system -- i.e. Windows. The problem is often compounded by PC makers who go for cheap RPI modems rather than full-function ones... Anyway, in case you do have the command list, you can always send it in to us so we can at least add it to our pile of new kinds of modems to support. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:43:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:45:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:43:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <472oa2$12n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Psychos 'R Us wrote: >This may have asked numerous times but I need the info pretty bad. > >I'm trying to download Big Files from a HP server. The Y-modem-G was not >robust enough, and Z-modem has some problem working out. Basically the >I'm logging into the HP server as a dumb terminal. Both the HP-UX kermit >and the OS/2 kermit (on my end) are 5A(191). But for some reason, I >cannot break through the 1041cps barrier. Using the Y-modem-G, the >maximum transfer is at 1681cps. The modems (a Hayes Accura 14.4 and a >Cardinal 14.4) operate at 14.4bps. On the average, I get one transfer >error every 10 minutes (that's mathmatical average -- the real stuff is >quite random but the phone noise is there). > >On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 end, >I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and everything else >is as-is. > >Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit >(MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length >beyond 371! Oh well... > There is no such limit in MS-DOS Kermit -- probably this was an artifact of C-Kermit's buffer size divided by its window size. Just increase the buffer size appropriately before selecting the window and packet sizes. You can read all about this in the documentation. In general, any speed that can be achieved with Zmodem can also be achieved with Kermit on the same connection. Zmodem defaults are tuned for maximum speed; Kermit's are tuned for robustness. If Zmodem fails, you can change its defaults to add robustness features -- escaping, windowing, etc -- and if Kermit is too slow you can crank up its packet length and window size, and you can tell it not to escape any set of control characters. ZIP-file transfer speeds well in excess of 1600 bps are routinely achieved on the exact type of connection you have, using C-Kermit 5A(191) on OS/2 and C-Kermit 5A(190) on HP-UX -- if you have an older version on HP-UX then you should install the current one. Lots more info on this subject in our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:41:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:42:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:42:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.net!supernet.net!patf From: patf@supernet.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8) Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:41:22 GMT Organization: SuperNet Lines: 15 Message-Id: <472o6i$crs@news.supernet.net> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <465r5b$iol@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: supernet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank, May I repost an excerpt from your recent post on the implications of abandoning text as our primary form of communication? With proper attribution of course. Thanks, Pat -- Pat Fogarty patf@supernet.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:14:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:42:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:42:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.net!supernet.net!patf From: patf@supernet.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8) Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:14:46 GMT Organization: SuperNet Lines: 64 Message-Id: <472mkm$c85@news.supernet.net> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <465r5b$iol@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: supernet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@news.columbia.edu) wrote: : Over its first twenty years, the net (first the ARPAnet, then the : Internet) was an incredibly valuable tool for cooperation, collaboration, : mutual help, research and development, standards generation, and : innovation. "Content" was constantly being added to it -- software, all : kinds of information, discussions of new ideas, etc. Most of this content : came in the form of text: source code, prose, bibliographic information, : messages, email, conferences, etc. : Then, at some point in the recent past, the net became the Information : Superhighway -- an object of commerce and mass consumerism. Which is not : a bad thing: it's a kind of public recognition of all the hard work and : deep thought that went into building the net and building up its vast : resources of content. : But at the same, the net became "easy to use". To grossly simplify what : this means: one no longer actively accesses the net in "read/write" mode; : rather, one passively points and clicks on things. Most of the modern net : access software is designed to extract things from the net, rather than : add things to it. It's as if the content had become frozen in time, : except, of course, for all the commercial offerings. It's like a museum, : in which everybody looks at the items on display and then stops at the : gift shop on the way out and spends a pile of money. Soon, even the items : on display will lose their attraction, and we will be left with nothing : but an electronic shopping mall. : There has been a lot of discussion in various fora (sorry, forums) to the : effect that "text is dead". I, for one, would like to think calmer heads : will prevail. NOTHING can replace text, because anything that you can : think of depends on some particular interpreter that runs only on some : specific operating-system/hardware-platform, and all of these items become : obsolete with amazing speed in today's fast-paced marketplace. : Take e-mail as an example. Why are we still stuck with a primitive 7-bit : ASCII form of exchange? Because nothing else works. Everything else, at : best, depends on viewers and interpreters that the recipient probably does : not have because they are platform-dependent (MIME or no MIME), and at : worst, doesn't even get delivered because of transparency problems. : 200 years from now, if anybody happens to have carried this message : forward across the many changes that will have occurred in storage media, : nobody will have any trouble reading it. I don't think you can say the : same for any other form of electronically stored information. : Which brings us back to the original posting. Internet Service Providers : should not be quite so quick to lock out people who wish to access the net : text mode, because those are the very people who are most likely to keep : adding content and value to the net (unless your definition of "value" : happens to include surreptitiously scanned-in centerfold pictures :-) : - Frank Well said! May I upload this elsewhere as rebuttal to the mouseaholics? With proper attribution, of course. Thanks, Pat -- Pat Fogarty patf@supernet.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 16:55:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:40:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:40:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.net!supernet.net!patf From: patf@supernet.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8) Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:55:42 GMT Organization: SuperNet Lines: 6 Message-Id: <47302e$ho0@news.supernet.net> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <465r5b$iol@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <472o6i$crs@news.supernet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: supernet.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Arrrrggggghhhhhhhhh.........sorry for the multiple posts (and email). Our news server has been a bit weird the last few days. Oh, well. Pat -- Pat Fogarty patf@supernet.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 22:13:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:13:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:13:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit Linux binary needed Date: 30 Oct 1995 22:13:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <473ilh$m0m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anybody help with this? I find the idea of a Linux system with no compiler a little strange, but maybe that's the new way... (If you have a binary that fits these requirements, you can upload it to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/incoming -- in binary mode, of course). Thanks! - Frank Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:45:53 -0500 (CDT) From: alissa fill Subject: Kermit I need a linux binary for kermit, but the versions that are on the site kermit.columbia.edu are compiled for an older library than I have and I am unable to use it. I have libc.so.5.0.9 for Linux (slackware) and libc.so.5 is linked to it. Your compilation requires libc.so.4, but as I do not have that older version it gives me an error. I even tried making a link called libc.so.4 to my library file but it did not work. If you could please compile a version that would work on my linux system it would be much appreciated. I do not have any linux compilers so I am unable to do it myself. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 20:23:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:18:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:18:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit freezes when inactive Date: 29 Oct 1995 20:23:46 GMT Lines: 26 Message-Id: <470nsi$c7e@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone seen anything like this? I'm operating MS-Kermit 3.14 over a network running TCP/IP. It communicates through an ethernet card with a packet driver and winpkt.com. Sometimes I call it up from DOS and sometimes in a DOS window under Windows 3.1. Fairly regularly if I'm logged into a remote host, if I let the connection sit idle for a while, when I try to use it, it's frozen. Kermit itself is not frozen, since I can escape to the command line and even use other sessions. If I give the hangup command, however, the cursor will move back to the beginning of the command line and Kermit will lock up solid. If I'm in DOS, I have to reboot. If I'm in Windows, I can ctrl-alt-del back to Program Manager, but no program will be able to access the network until I reboot the computer (if I restart Kermit, it will not connect, and Trumpet winsock will not start up). I also use MSKermit to connect to these same hosts from home over a phone line, and this lockup never happens. It is not being caused by an inactivity time-out at the other end. It only happens with MSKermit; I also use various winsock-based telnet clients, and have never had this happen. Does anyone have a clue? I don't, and I'd sure appreciate one. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 22:05:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:43:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:43:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, Compuserve and VMS Date: 29 Oct 1995 14:05:51 -0800 Organization: Pacifier, public access Internet site. 360-693-0325 Lines: 55 Message-Id: <470trv$g9@pacifier.com> References: <46s20o$mjh@flood.xnet.com> <47079q$1ju@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:113455 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3985 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47079q$1ju@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, Tim Shoppa wrote: > >Ack! You didn't read the .BWR file that came with VMS C-Kermit, did you? >Quoting from the file... > >----begin quote > >FILE TRANSFER > >File transfer modes (TEXT vs BINARY) are set automatically for each file when >sending. The SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands are ignored >when sending files. To force binary-mode transmission, use SET FILE TYPE >IMAGE. See the VMS appendix of "Using C-Kermit". > >----end quote > True enough. However, this holds for files being send *from* the VMS system. I believe in this case the files are being send *to* the VMS system. > >ZIP files on VMS are Stream-LF type files, which C-Kermit will interpret >as text type files. You want SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. > Not necessarily. ZIP2.01 produces zipfiles which have fixed 512-byte-length records which is the same as C-Kermit's default binary mode on a VMS system. Some earlier versions of ZIP *did* use STREAM_LF mode, however. But, as I averred above, isn't all thie irrelevant since the original poster is sending files *to* the VMS system, in which case they should come out fixed, 512-byte record-length files and the versions of Info-zip's UNZIP currently available should be able to handle this just fine. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ /* PGP2.6.2 PUBLIC KEY available via finger or PGP key server */ ... The usefulness of a meeting is inversely proportional to its attendance. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 08:34:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:45:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:45:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit freezes when inactive Message-Id: <1995Oct29.143451.65294@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Oct 95 14:34:51 MDT References: <470nsi$c7e@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <470nsi$c7e@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Has anyone seen anything like this? > > I'm operating MS-Kermit 3.14 over a network running TCP/IP. It > communicates through an ethernet card with a packet driver and > winpkt.com. Sometimes I call it up from DOS and sometimes in a DOS > window under Windows 3.1. > > Fairly regularly if I'm logged into a remote host, if I let the > connection sit idle for a while, when I try to use it, it's frozen. > Kermit itself is not frozen, since I can escape to the command line and > even use other sessions. If I give the hangup command, however, the > cursor will move back to the beginning of the command line and Kermit will > lock up solid. If I'm in DOS, I have to reboot. If I'm in Windows, I > can ctrl-alt-del back to Program Manager, but no program will be able to > access the network until I reboot the computer (if I restart Kermit, it > will not connect, and Trumpet winsock will not start up). > > I also use MSKermit to connect to these same hosts from home over a phone > line, and this lockup never happens. It is not being caused by an > inactivity time-out at the other end. It only happens with MSKermit; I > also use various winsock-based telnet clients, and have never had this > happen. > > Does anyone have a clue? I don't, and I'd sure appreciate one. ------------ The clue resides in the other half of the connection story: the remote host. If that host happens to be a Linux system then please be aware that some such lose their ARP cache and fail to communicate after the timeout. You should also get 21 May 95 edition of MSK if you don't have it (kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip). The "lockup" is waiting for the other end to respond to a proper TCP segment, and the timeout can be a couple of minutes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 17:53:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08502 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:00:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:00:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!news3.net99.net!news.cais.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit freezes when inactive Date: 30 Oct 1995 17:53:12 GMT Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4733e8$571@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <470nsi$c7e@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Oct29.143451.65294@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Oct29.143451.65294@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # The clue resides in the other half of the connection # story: the remote host. If that host happens to be a Linux # system then please be aware that some such lose their ARP # cache and fail to communicate after the timeout. You should # also get 21 May 95 edition of MSK if you don't have it # (kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file # msvibm.zip). # # The "lockup" is waiting for the other end to respond to # a proper TCP segment, and the timeout can be a couple of # minutes. My first move was to get the May 21 kermit.exe, and that seems to have solved the problem on its own. Thanks for the quick response. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 13:44:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:21:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:21:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!mercury!puff From: puff@mercury.interpath.com (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's? Date: 30 Oct 1995 13:44:46 GMT Organization: Interpath -- Providing Internet access to North Carolina Lines: 32 Message-Id: <472kse$kqr@redstone.interpath.net> References: <46qntv$65q@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David Stow (dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) wrote: : I posted this question and I'd like to thank everyone who answered and to : share some of the answers in case others are having the same problem. Hiya David, Might I add another possibility to the list? (posting was down the other day when I first read the thread) I had a similar problem with another freenet. Actually a worse problem. Their unchangeable default was text mode. It was either uuencode (they did provide it) or find a workaround. I did find, however, that I was able to install a .kermrc (and elmrc) by mailing them to myself so as to be able (somewhat) to control my environment. I was able to use elm to move files around, edit them, and do a lot of other maintenance tasks without having to fiddle with their menuing system. The only downside is having to edit the file (or swap out the file) when needing to change transfer parameters. Like Clarence said, Elvis the vi clone for clones will do the conversion. It's a pretty good editor. Pat -- Pat Fogarty puff@mercury.interpath.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 18:19:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:41:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:41:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!umcc.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-server!huggins From: huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu (James K. Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem file for MS-Kermit 3.14 and Compaq Date: 30 Oct 1995 18:19:16 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 53 Message-Id: References: <472n83$lt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tarski.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 30 Oct 1995 14:25:07 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <472n83$lt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: [I wrote:] >I just recently picked up a nice new Compaq Presario machine with >a Compaq proprietary 14.4 fax/modem. Any ideas out there as to >which of the standard modem files with MS-Kermit is the "best" to >use with it? >I seem to have reasonable success with the Practical Peripherals >script (PPI.SCR), though I needed to add a new option (S35=0) to get >my modem to stop sending some goofy tone across the line. Just >wondering if anyone was familiar with the Compaq modems enough to >know if there's a better choice. I suppose it would be too much to hope for that the modem came with a manual or even a reference card. We hear stories all too often of prepackaged internal modems that not only come with no documentation at all, but not even a brand name. So the poor user has no idea what to do with it, other than to use the prebundled software, which, of course, only runs under the prebundled operating system -- i.e. Windows. The problem is often compounded by PC makers who go for cheap RPI modems rather than full-function ones... Sounds like my experience exactly. I did manage to get a reference manual from Compaq by writing and requesting one, which they sent for free. But the bloody manual assumes you know far more about the magic of modems than I do. (Sheesh. Every manual I have for this machine is either written for a novice who's never used a computer before or for a guru who knows everything there is to know about these systems. Is there no room for something in-between? Happily, I'd classify Kermit's documentation as one of those few in-between areas.) Besides, the option which "fixed" my problem (ATS35=0) isn't even *listed* in the manual I did get ... I found it in a bug report on Compaq's Web site. Gotta love them undocumented features. Anyway, in case you do have the command list, you can always send it in to us so we can at least add it to our pile of new kinds of modems to support. Well ... I'd send it to you, but it'd most likely be wrong, since the bloody documentation didn't list the feature I used. But to get back to the story: the default HAYES.SCR works fine, and tweaking PPI.SCR also seemed to work pretty well. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 06:14:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:05:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:05:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!io.org!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Psychos 'R Us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:14:20 -0600 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 64 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Oct29.174729.65311@cc.usu.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : > On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 : > end, I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and : > everything else is as-is. : > : > Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit : > (MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length : > beyond 371! Oh well... : ------------ : Your last paragraph contains a useful piece of information. A : packet length of 371 bytes is not the kind of number we normally choose : for packets, but it is the kind of number which arises when a packet is : dinged and the sending side shrinks them upon retries. That's the "rubber : packet" heuristic. : In most cases of this kind our first response is "flow control, : flow control!" For best flow control use hardware RTS/CTS between your : machine and the modem, expect the modems to do their modem to modem : flow control under V.everything, and cross your fingers that your remote : host does snappy flow control with its modem too. Flow control must be : carried through from end to end, else traffic jams yield lost bytes. Per someone else's suggestion, I typed these on the HP-UX kermit before giving it the command "server" and begin downloading: set file type binary set warning on set buffer 65536 65536 set window 24 set send packet 2048 set block-check 2 set flow none set flow rts With OS/2 c-kermit, the transfer rate is around 1350cps. With MS-kermit, the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%. There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that came with OS/2. I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts. : The second response is, maybe there is a terminal server or other : comms box between you and the host and it is unable to handle fast traffic : without dropping bytes. Terminal servers are often quite wierd boxes. Yes, I did notice these are quite a weird beast. I can turn off the flow control but then everything will go to hell (lotza retries under kermit or z-modem -- y-modem g won't even work). : The third and usually last blind suggestion is ensure your OS/2 : end has a decent serial port, typically a 16550A UART, so it does not : drop bytes under load. The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a decent modem... ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Q: How many Mac users does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None -- there is no icon for that. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 10:40:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:46:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:46:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!inet!ischm From: ischm@inet.uni-c.dk (Henrik Mathorne) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Macro-keys in C-Kermit ? Date: 31 Oct 1995 10:40:00 GMT Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 20 Message-Id: <474ue0$s8g@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet.uni-c.dk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to execute a macro by pressing a hotkey in C-kermit, as it is in MS-Kermit. What I want to do is, that by pressing a hotkey I select a file on the remote system, escape to local system and begin to receive the file I selected. I know this can be done on the MS-DOS version, but I can't find anything on that subject in the "Using C-Kermit" book. (We are running C-Kermit 5A(190) on IBM AIX 4.1) Thanks for any help Henrik Mathorne ISC A/S ischm@inet.uni-c.dk From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 14:16:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:17:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:17:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Macro-keys in C-Kermit ? Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:16:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <475b4q$9q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <474ue0$s8g@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <474ue0$s8g@news.uni-c.dk>, Henrik Mathorne wrote: : : Is it possible to execute a macro by pressing a hotkey : in C-kermit, as it is in MS-Kermit. What I want to do : is, that by pressing a hotkey I select a file on the : remote system, escape to local system and begin to receive : the file I selected. I know this can be done on the MS-DOS : version, but I can't find anything on that subject in : the "Using C-Kermit" book. : (We are running C-Kermit 5A(190) on IBM AIX 4.1) : Long question, short answer: no. The basic reason for this limitation is that UNIX versions of C-Kermit do not have direct access to the keyboard, and so they cannot "see" special keys (like F-keys, Alt-key combinations, arrow keys, editing keys, etc). Only "ASCII" keys are visible, and in general you need all of them to stand in for themselves. A bit more about this in item 24 of our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt An interesting project would be to add direct keyboard access capability to UNIX C-Kermit, so it could see keyboard scan codes rather than just ASCII values. However, the method for getting at scan codes would be: (a) Totally dependent on exactly which kind of computer and keyboard you have; (b) Totally dependent on the particular operating system and version (and UNIX C-Kermit supports about 400 different UNIX platforms); (c) Dependent on whether the OS even offers an API for getting at the keyboard (most don't). And even when these three conditions held, the result would still be inconsistent even on a particular computer, depending on whether you were at its console, logged in through a tty device, telnetted, rlogin'd, in an xterm window, or any of various other GUI-du-jour windows. Bringing this capability to all the variants of C-Kermit and keeping it up to date with new OS releases and hardware would be a full-time job. Still, it might be interesting to try it for a couple of high-profile workstations -- Sun, HP, RS/6000, Linux, ... But quite honestly, I have never seen documentation anywhere showing how to do this. If anybody wants to send hints, I'll be glad to add them to my pile. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 14:33:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:33:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:33:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:33:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Psychos 'R Us wrote: : ... : Per someone else's suggestion, I typed these on the HP-UX kermit before : giving it the command "server" and begin downloading: : : set file type binary : set warning on : set buffer 65536 65536 : set window 24 : set send packet 2048 : set block-check 2 : set flow none : set flow rts : : With OS/2 c-kermit, the transfer rate is around 1350cps. : Which can probably be pushed up towards 1600 bps by unprefixing control-characters. : With MS-kermit... : Which version? : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%. : The percent efficiency is based on the interface speed, not the modulation speed. Since ZIP files can't be further compressed by the modem, the upward bound on transferring them is approximately 1.11 times the modulation speed = 1600 cps (derivation of this figure is left as an exercise for the reader :-). 880 cps is therefore more like 55%, not 18%. : There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation : will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that : came with OS/2. I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts. : ... : The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended : buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a : decent modem... : The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the planet and requires special drivers. Now obviously Hayes Smartcom knows how to drive the ESP board to full advantage, hence the higher transfer rates with Hayes software. I expect that the OS/2 serial driver knows enough about the ESP to put it into 16550A mode, but beyond that, does not bother with the Hayes-specific features. I might be mistaken, but I believe that some special magic is required to put the ESP in 16550A mode, and this magic first appeared in MS-DOS Kermit version 3.14. If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you report. We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience, and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 03:04:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:39:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:39:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!eua.ericsson.se!erinews.ericsson.se!cnn.exu.ericsson.se!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP Control-codes missing Message-Id: <1995Oct31.090409.65474@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Oct 95 09:04:09 MDT References: <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes: > Is it psooible the Control-code value sent via kermit to the > VAX. I am connecting to a VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000, > the PC side is a standard IBM compatible : 486 100MHz. > > The problem is that when I using my VAX application via the PC > (under Kermit version 3.14) and I send for example: ALT-T which > is a control sequence for the application, all that is displayed > is the 'T'. But what should happen is the title references should > be displayed within the application. Therefore I would like to make > sure that the 'Alt' part of the Control-code is getting through to > the application on the VAX and not being filtered out, or lost in > the transmission. -------------- ALT-anything is not a control code and has no printable nor transmission code. It is strictly a keyboard indication peculiar to the IBM PC machine. I think you need to ask what the application wants to hear and then use Kermit's SET KEY command to assign that sequence to the ALT-T combination. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 16:48:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:22:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:22:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!news.vii.com!news1.cris.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet From: "Gary A. Foley" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 132 column support Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:48:44 GMT Organization: Orangeburg-Calhoun TECH College Lines: 6 Message-Id: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: gfoley.org.tec.sc.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 06:15:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:37:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:37:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!eua.ericsson.se!erinews.ericsson.se!cnn.exu.ericsson.se!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Message-Id: <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Oct 95 12:15:02 MDT References: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 72 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , > Psychos 'R Us wrote: > : ... > : Per someone else's suggestion, I typed these on the HP-UX kermit before > : giving it the command "server" and begin downloading: > : > : set file type binary > : set warning on > : set buffer 65536 65536 > : set window 24 > : set send packet 2048 > : set block-check 2 > : set flow none > : set flow rts > : > : With OS/2 c-kermit, the transfer rate is around 1350cps. > : > Which can probably be pushed up towards 1600 bps by unprefixing > control-characters. > > : With MS-kermit... > : > Which version? > > : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%. > : > The percent efficiency is based on the interface speed, not the > modulation speed. Since ZIP files can't be further compressed by > the modem, the upward bound on transferring them is approximately > 1.11 times the modulation speed = 1600 cps (derivation of this figure > is left as an exercise for the reader :-). 880 cps is therefore more > like 55%, not 18%. > > : There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation > : will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that > : came with OS/2. I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts. > : ... > : The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended > : buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a > : decent modem... > : > The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used > at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, > 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with > 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the > planet and requires special drivers. Now obviously Hayes Smartcom knows > how to drive the ESP board to full advantage, hence the higher transfer > rates with Hayes software. I expect that the OS/2 serial driver knows > enough about the ESP to put it into 16550A mode, but beyond that, does not > bother with the Hayes-specific features. > > I might be mistaken, but I believe that some special magic is required to > put the ESP in 16550A mode, and this magic first appeared in MS-DOS Kermit > version 3.14. If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in > character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you > report. We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it > turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience, > and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list. > > - Frank --------- On the Hayes ESP board. MSK does not have special code for it. As things turned out none was needed if the board is configured by the ESP configuration program. It looks like a 16550A UART. The fancy DMA transfer capability of the board is, um, not exactly what a communications program would use and details are best left between Hayes and the programmer. There is a Windows driver for the board, from Hayes (with that DMA stuff), but it also runs without it. So the obvious suggestion here is to re-run the ESP configuration program to be sure it's capabilities have not faded from static memory. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 14:13:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:13:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:13:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132 column support Date: 1 Nov 1995 14:13:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <477vae$orj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net>, Gary A. Foley wrote: >I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that >are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in >cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it >automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? > When posting questions like this, you should include enough information to allow us to answer them. At minimum, in this case, the version of Kermit you have (the current version is 3.14) and the type of video adapter. There are appoximately four cases: 1. There is no way to put your video adapter into 132-column mode. 2. Kermit switches between 80 and 132 column mode automatically based on its identification of the video adapter (evidently not the case on your PC). 3. Your video adapter supports 132 column mode but Kermit does not know the magic incantation for switching it, and so you you have set up the COLS132.BAT and COLS80.BAT files to do it. 4. 132 column mode can be simulated using graphics. This is all explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", as supplemented by the KERMIT.UPD and KERMIT.BWR files on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 04:50:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:08:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:08:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!news3.net99.net!news.cais.net!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!vodka.intele.net!usenet From: gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to assign output of command to variable Date: 31 Oct 1995 04:50:22 GMT Organization: Opti-Med International Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4749uf$cr4@vodka.intele.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: green.intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to write a Kermit script file for ckermit on a Unix system. I wish to assign the output from a Unix command to a variable similar to the following sh-style command: SomeVar=`ls` Is it possible to do something like this in a Kermit script? Something like: define \%a run ls ; (i know this doesn't work) i.e. assign the output from the ls command to the variable \%a ? Thanks, Gerry gerry@blue.intele.net From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 11:38:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:08:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:08:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP Control-codes missing Date: 31 Oct 95 11:38:11 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: vax.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it psooible the Control-code value sent via kermit to the VAX. I am connecting to a VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000, the PC side is a standard IBM compatible : 486 100MHz. The problem is that when I using my VAX application via the PC (under Kermit version 3.14) and I send for example: ALT-T which is a control sequence for the application, all that is displayed is the 'T'. But what should happen is the title references should be displayed within the application. Therefore I would like to make sure that the 'Alt' part of the Control-code is getting through to the application on the VAX and not being filtered out, or lost in the transmission. Any help greatly appreacieated - Tony - Howard Higgins higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk South Bank University London, England From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 16:05:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:05:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:05:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to assign output of command to variable Date: 1 Nov 1995 16:05:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <4785sj$t74@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4749uf$cr4@vodka.intele.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4749uf$cr4@vodka.intele.net>, Gerry Jensen wrote: : I am trying to write a Kermit script file for ckermit on a Unix system. : I wish to assign the output from a Unix command to a variable similar : to the following sh-style command: : : SomeVar=`ls` : : Is it possible to do something like this in a Kermit script? Something : like: : : define \%a run ls ; (i know this doesn't work) : : i.e. assign the output from the ls command to the variable \%a ? : Yes: open !read :LOOP read \%a ; Reads a line from output of the command if fail goto done ; This happens when the exits ; Here do whatever you want to do with the line goto loop :DONE In the example above, replace by whatever command you want to execute. See pages 269-272 of "Using C-Kermit" for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 23:35:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:39:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:39:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132 column support Date: 31 Oct 1995 23:35:13 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 22 Message-Id: <476brh$49@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Gary A. Foley" writes: >I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that >are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in >cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it >automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? >(gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) There's no standard way to put a DOS display into 132-column mode. (On OS/2 with SVGA, you can say "mode co132,28") MSKermit expects (requires) you to insert the appropriate commands to put your particular display adapter into 132-column mode into the COLS132.BAT file to have 132-column support on DOS. If your PC is capable of running OS/2, C-Kermit for OS/2 supports 132-column. If your PC is capable of running Win95, I suspect you'd find Kermit95 does, too. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 13:45:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:44:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:44:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!news.hebel.net!news.sics.se!news.kth.se!news.eunet.fi!EU.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!seismo!darwin.sura.net!jabba.ess.harris.com!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: 01 Nov 1995 13:45:13 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 18 Message-Id: Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, I just got my kermit 95 last night, installed it on Windows NT, and it seems to work fine. Now I need to get it configured so everything works the same way it did in the MS-DOS kermit I was using before. The only major thing I have configured away from the defaults in DOS is my key bindings. I have gazillions of them defined to make using emacs easier. I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chances are that the scan codes I use to set key bindings in DOS are the same as the scan codes k95 accepts. (I know I could sit around running show key commands in both versions and build a translation table, but I thought someone might already have done this :-). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 22:04:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:04:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:04:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: 1 Nov 1995 22:04:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <478qst$j1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Horsley wrote: : Well, I just got my kermit 95 last night, installed it on Windows NT, and it : seems to work fine. Now I need to get it configured so everything works the : same way it did in the MS-DOS kermit I was using before. : : The only major thing I have configured away from the defaults in DOS is my : key bindings. I have gazillions of them defined to make using emacs easier. : I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chances are that the : scan codes I use to set key bindings in DOS are the same as the scan codes : k95 accepts. (I know I could sit around running show key commands in both : versions and build a translation table, but I thought someone might already : have done this :-). : Well, the Kermit 95 and MS-DOS Kermit scan codes are different. After a lot of head-scratching, we decided the better course was to stick with the codes that are returned by the system, rather than mapping them to the MS-DOS Kermit equivalents. This allows a lot more flexibility and, perhaps more important, independence from differing keyboards (e.g. national ones) and keyboard drivers. However, if you look in the KEYMAPS subdirectory, you'll find most of what you are after: VT220.INI, which sets up a complete VT200/300 (LK201) key map. EMACS.INI, which sets up EMACS bindings including Alt=Meta. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 23:08:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 07:24:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 07:24:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.graphics.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!csun.edu!galileo.csun.edu!not-for-mail From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 1 Nov 1995 15:08:51 -0800 Organization: Cal State Northridge Dept. of Physics & Astronomy Lines: 52 Message-Id: <478um3$jsk@galileo.csun.edu> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: galileo.csun.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu>, >Stephen Walton wrote: >>I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying >>to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP >>series 700 machine. >>... >>transfer speeds with >>Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using FTP. >There are several potential bottlenecks. First, of course, is the >hardware -- the PC and the WORM disk -- which explains why FTP is so slow. Both FTP and Kermit are quite slow on this particular machine. Since I wrote last, I tried both on another machine (a 486/33 EISA machine) and see transfer speeds measured in the hundreds of KB/s. In addition to everything else, the WORM disk goes through the ASPI driver because it has changeable platters, which adds another layer of overhead. However, copying the file to transfer to the hard disk didn't speed things up. That hard disk is also a SCSI disk with the ASPI driver between it and MS/DOS, though, so if that is the culprit it would affect both drives. >Second would be the Kermit protocol settings. What happens if you crank >up the window size and packet length? Does it make a difference? No. >Third is flow control. Tell both Kermit programs to "set flow none". >Let TCP and IP take care of it. Oddly enough, this seems to break the transfer. Whenever I do 'set flow none' the transfer hangs up as if packets are being lost. The specific hard/software I'm using is an NE-1000 Ethernet board with the latest NCSA packet driver, MS/DOS 5.00, MS-Kermit 3.14, C Kermit 5A(190), HP/UX 9.05. >Fourth is the TELNET overhead. When you TELNET from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 >into the HP, you are going through the HP's TELNET server, not to mention >pty drivers and who knows what else. It might be an interesting experiment >to eliminate the TELNET overhead. I followed your instructions on how to do this, and got the same slow transfers of 12 KB/s. >I'm sure all of our readers would be interested in further reports on how >this goes. I hope so :-) . -- Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge "Be careful what you wish for; you might get it." swalton@csun.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 02:58:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:09:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:09:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook.halcyon.com!kmhouse From: "Kathleen M. House" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit generate key-presses? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:58:50 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, all, I have a need for a batch program to simulate pressing a PF key. I've gotten Kermit to generate the binary code for "ringing" the bell, and piped that to a file that I can now include in any batch program. The code executes as soon as it is typed to the screen, and I've got a nice little bell-ringer whenever I want it. Now I need an F-key presser. I've tried using show-key to display the decimal code, and then echoing that code. For some reason, although the regular keys show up fine when their decimal code is echoed, the F and other function keys do not. The echo merely shows the graphic (not the key name) for that decimal code. For example, echoing the code for F2 produces <<. When this is piped to a file, and that file typed to the screen, the code does not execute. Does anyone know why the function keys behave differently and how to get one to execute in a batch program? Any help would be, as always, greatly appreciated. Kathleen House From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 17:10:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:35:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:35:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 2 Nov 1995 11:10:15 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 24 Message-Id: <47au1n$jjs@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46tksi$qeq@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Oct28.172619.65234@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct28.172619.65234@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Being practical here rather than arguing over moralistic issues, >users are far better off getting the latest Kermits from Columbia rather >than using ancient versions found on distribution media. Look at how old >that stuff is. Getting them is very easy. Supporting them is not cheap, as >you know and seemingly wish to avoid. Perhaps we agree that the world would be a better place if every machine that communicates had a copy of the latest version of kermit on it. But we certainly disagree on the way to make that happen. Count the number of programs in a typical Linux or freeBSD distribution. You could say that the best way to maintain a system is to ftp each of those programs separately from it's home site tracking all the changes, but that isn't going to make it happen no matter how easy you claim it is for any single one. And, if you don't have ftp access it turns out not to be easy at all. People want/need packaged distributions, whether by ftp or cdrom or locally maintained archives where someone has tested the components with each other. Programs that can't be included just won't be put on a lot of systems. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 16:09:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:47:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:46:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!merlin.arc.nasa.gov!RAGOSTA From: ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP Control-codes missing Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:09:23 GMT Organization: Aeroflightdynamics Directorate Lines: 32 Message-Id: <475hnj$dof@news.arc.nasa.gov> References: <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Reply-To: ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov Nntp-Posting-Host: merlin.arc.nasa.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes: >Is it psooible the Control-code value sent via kermit to the >VAX. I am connecting to a VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000, >the PC side is a standard IBM compatible : 486 100MHz. You're kidding, right? "VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000" doesn't mean a thing. Of course, it IS Halloween. I will assume you mean VMS 5.5 running on a VAX 9000. >The problem is that when I using my VAX application via the PC >(under Kermit version 3.14) and I send for example: ALT-T which >is a control sequence for the application, all that is displayed >is the 'T'. But what should happen is the title references should >be displayed within the application. Therefore I would like to make >sure that the 'Alt' part of the Control-code is getting through to >the application on the VAX and not being filtered out, or lost in >the transmission. I think you're confused. First, "ALT" doesn't mean a thing to VMS. You either mean control/T or your Kermit has been programmed by someone to send some special sequence when alt/T is entered. If you mean control/T, this sequence is intercepted by the operating system if you have enabled control/T status display (it shows your CPU usage, memory, etc). SET NOCONTROL=T will stop this. If someone has programmed the alt/T sequence in Kermit (I'm not sure alt sequences can be defined, but if so it would be using the SET KEY command) it should show in your .INI file. Hope this helps a little. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 14:37:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 16:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 16:05:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!CTCnet!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!lfsserv1.lfs.loral.com!news-owego.endicott.ibm.com!news From: Shirley Kupst Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Changing Colors Date: 2 Nov 1995 14:37:31 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Owego Lines: 18 Message-Id: <47al3b$gr3@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: canada.endicott.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; AIX 2) X-Url: news://news-owego/comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi- I'm having troubles with changing colors in Kermit: I can successfully change the foreground, background and underscore colors using the set terminal color xx command. What I can't figure out is how to change other colors. In particular, when connected to a VM host using Kermite for DOS, the VM menu displays the background as black (this is OK), PF option keys and command prompt as white (this is OK), text that is input at the command prompt is red (this is also OK). However, the text next to the PF keys which describes what you're supposed to do with the menu displays in dark blue, and is very hard to see. I need to change it to a lighter blue. I'm not sure what this text "name" is to change it. Changing the underscore color didn't help. Any ideas??? --Shirley From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 22:44:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:44:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:44:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Changing Colors Date: 2 Nov 1995 22:44:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <47bhl3$1ev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47al3b$gr3@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47al3b$gr3@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com>, Shirley Kupst wrote: : I'm having troubles with changing colors in Kermit: I can successfully : change the foreground, background and underscore colors using the set : terminal color xx command. What I can't figure out is how to change other : colors. In particular, when connected to a VM host using Kermite for DOS, : the VM menu displays the background as black (this is OK), PF option keys : and command prompt as white (this is OK), text that is input at the command : prompt is red (this is also OK). : : However, the text next to the PF keys which describes what you're supposed : to do with the menu displays in dark blue, and is very hard to see. I need : to change it to a lighter blue. I'm not sure what this text "name" is to : change it. Changing the underscore color didn't help. : Kermit lets you set your normal foreground and background (and underscore simulation) colors that apply to ordinary text. Other effects are accomplished by the host application. In your case, it sounds like the application is sending explicit coloration escape sequences. If the host says "color this field blue", it'll be blue, no matter what your fore- and background colors are. You do have some slight degree of control, however, in that you can choose whether the foreground color is to be bright (bold) or normal: SET TERMINAL COLOR 3x 4x ; Normal SET TERMINAL COLOR 1 3x 4x ; Bright Maybe specifying (or not specifying) "bright" will make the difference. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 23:12:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 18:12:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 18:12:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fix for TSO Kermit Date: 2 Nov 1995 23:12:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <47bj9i$2j4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit-TSO has been unable to set the working "directory" to a PDS ever since support was added for GDG's (almost three years). No one seems to have noticed until just recently. The fix is simple, at any rate. The fix: ./ * SC95283 - Fix PDS "prefix" (TSO) ./ R 01415600 $ 1415600 200 10/10/95 12:29:03 &KDATE SETC '95/10/10' @SC95283 ./ I 05085000 $ 5085100 100 10/10/95 15:37:19 LA 5,FSPTAB Use table for normal DSNAMEs @SC95283 With this update installed, it should once again be possible to CWD to a PDS (as in "CWD 'SYS1.MACLIB()'") and then send and receive members without having to give the DSN. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 08:29:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 21:51:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 21:51:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit generate key-presses? Message-Id: <1995Nov2.142956.65735@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Nov 95 14:29:56 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , "Kathleen M. House" writes: > Hello, all, > I have a need for a batch program to simulate pressing a PF key. Are you sure you really mean BATCH, as in DOS' .BAT files? If so then that has nothing to do with Kermit; it's entirely a DOS matter. Maybe you mean a Kermit Take file. Take files execute at the Kermit prompt level, not during terminal emulation (Connect mode). There is no keyboard fancy stuff at the Kermit prompt level. > I've gotten Kermit to generate the binary code for "ringing" the bell, and That's control code Control-g, binary 7. > piped that to a file that I can now include in any batch program. The code > executes as soon as it is typed to the screen, and I've got a nice little > bell-ringer whenever I want it. > > Now I need an F-key presser. I've tried using show-key to display the That is purely a terminal emulation matter. There is no association with Kermit prompt level nor DOS etc. > decimal code, and then echoing that code. For some reason, although the > regular keys show up fine when their decimal code is echoed, the F and Look at those values. They are ASCII printable characters. Special keys are not printable. VTxxx function keys do not send simple fixed codes; they are terminal emulation state dependent items. Please do have a very careful look at file msvibm.vt in the Kermit distribution kit. > other function keys do not. The echo merely shows the graphic (not the key > name) for that decimal code. For example, echoing the code for F2 > produces <<. When this is piped to a file, and that file typed to the > screen, the code does not execute. > > Does anyone know why the function keys behave differently and how to get > one to execute in a batch program? Honestly, I have a big problem trying to understand what you are trying to accomplish. As mentioned above, DOS BATCH has nothing at all to do with Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 22:04:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:18:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:18:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!news.cc.ic.ac.uk!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: dtp@python.viper.net (DTP Products) Newsgroups: control,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4761nf$igc@python.viper.net> Control: cancel <4761nf$igc@python.viper.net> Date: 31 Oct 1995 22:04:45 GMT Organization: Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Usenetters Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk X-Subject: FREE $$$ MAKING SOFTWARE !!! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Death to Spam! From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 04:41:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:35:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:35:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!pegasus.ece.utexas.edu!kagan From: kagan@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kagan Tumer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: direct dialup macros Date: 3 Nov 1995 04:41:21 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 16 Message-Id: <47c6hh$gtj@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus.ece.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I'm having trouble with some macros concerning autodial-up with kermit. I'm just trying to have c-kermit automatically dial a number when a given file is called. However, although I can hear the modem dial, it ends up, out of the command mode and never makes a connection. Are there some sample macros on the net, and if so where? Thanks, kagan From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 22:00:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:58:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:58:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!maze.dpo.uab.edu!willis.cis.uab.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!terminator.ncts.navy.mil!usenet From: cwilliam@ncts.navy.mil (Chris Williams) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where is kermit? Date: 31 Oct 1995 22:00:08 GMT Organization: N.C.T.S. Pensacola Lines: 5 Message-Id: <476698$kj1@terminator.NCTS.NAVY.MIL> Reply-To: cwilliam@ncts.navy.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: poseidon.ncts.navy.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I find the source for Kermit? Chris From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 11:30:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:08:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:08:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!chsun!olsen.ch!lichtin From: lichtin@olsen.ch (Martin Lichtin) Subject: Problem with \v(ttyfd) Message-Id: Sender: news@olsen.ch Organization: Olsen & Associates AG, Zurich, Switzerland Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:30:10 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to invoke another kermit on top of an already running kermit. This is actually described in the documentation, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Below I show that I connect via kermit to a terminal server with a modem connected to it. I then startup another kermit and again want to connect to the modem, but this time, it fails (sometimes it even dumps core): C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. [/dev/tty@schilling]>set host pm-rouble 2501 Trying 193.72.83.74... [pm-rouble:2501@schilling]>c Connecting to host pm-rouble:2501. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. at OK (Back at schilling) [pm-rouble:2501@schilling]>run kermit -l \v(ttyfd) C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. [3@schilling]>c Connecting to 3. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. Communications disconnect Can't read character: Bad file number (Back at schilling) [3@schilling]> Many thanks if you could point me to a solution! Martin Lichtin Olsen & Associates AG Research Institute for Applied Economics T +41 1 3864848 F +41 1 4222282 Seefeldstr. 233, CH-8008 Zurich, Switzerland From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 03:42:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:04:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!academ!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Message-Id: <1995Nov2.094204.65699@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Nov 95 09:42:04 MDT References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <478um3$jsk@galileo.csun.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <478um3$jsk@galileo.csun.edu>, swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes: > In article <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In article <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu>, >>Stephen Walton wrote: >>>I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying >>>to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP >>>series 700 machine. >>>... >>>transfer speeds with >>>Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using FTP. > >>There are several potential bottlenecks. First, of course, is the >>hardware -- the PC and the WORM disk -- which explains why FTP is so slow. > > Both FTP and Kermit are quite slow on this particular machine. Since I > wrote last, I tried both on another machine (a 486/33 EISA machine) and > see transfer speeds measured in the hundreds of KB/s. In addition to > everything else, the WORM disk goes through the ASPI driver because it > has changeable platters, which adds another layer of overhead. However, > copying the f le to transfer to the hard disk didn't speed things up. > That hard disk is also a SCSI disk with the ASPI driver between it and > MS/DOS, though, so if that is the culprit it would affect both drives. > >>Second would be the Kermit protocol settings. What happens if you crank >>up the window size and packet length? Does it make a difference? > > No. > >>Third is flow control. Tell both Kermit programs to "set flow none". >>Let TCP and IP take care of it. > > Oddly enough, this seems to break the transfer. Whenever I do 'set > flow none' the transfer hangs up as if packets are being lost. The > specific hard/software I'm using is an NE-1000 Ethernet board with the > latest NCSA packet driver, MS/DOS 5.00, MS-Kermit 3.14, C Kermit > 5A(190), HP/UX 9.05. NE-1000's are 8-bit Ethernet boards and are hardly suitable for today's swift traffic. Are you really on an 8088 machine? If not please try an NE-2000 16-bit board. NCSA doesn't make Packet Drivers. Perhaps you mean Crynwr Collection Packet Drivers. The indication of loss of comms when XON/XOFF flow control is turned off is a dead giveaway for the Ethernet board (the NE-1000) being clobbered by fast traffic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 23:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!silo.nrcs.usda.gov!ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov!feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov!ute From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-kermit and APC codes (LONG) Date: 1 Nov 1995 23:15:15 GMT Organization: USDA-SCS NHQ in Fort Collins Lines: 74 Message-Id: <478v23$1s8@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am still having some problems getting MS-Kermit to do what I want it to do. Last time I posted, I couldn't turn of the file display on the DOS side from the UNIX side. I got that figured out now. Sorry, Frank, but your answer to my question was incorrect, but I appreciate the help anyway. I decided to give a very detailed account of what I am doing this time, to avoid misunder- standings. Anyway, now I am trying to determine if a file exists on the my DOS system, and if so send that file to the UNIX system, otherwise, I want to give some indication of the error to UNIX, to prevent C-Kermit from getting started. Remember I am doing all of this kind of backwards. I start MS-Kermit on my DOS system which is hooked to my UNIX system via a serial connection. Then I run some program on my UNIX system that needs to tranfer files back and forth to the DOS system. So I have to do system calls that look something like this: echo "\033_send c:\mydir\myfile\033\\"; kermit -r -a /tmp/myfile This works just fine IF c:\mydir\myfile exists, otherwise, C-Kermit starts and puts up a "ready to receive " message and then waits for the user to issue a send command on the DOS side. Of course, that user input would never happen. As a work around, I create script file that I send to DOS, and then tell MS-Kermit to take that script. ie. echo "\033_receive my_script\033\\" ; kermit -s my_script echo "\033_take my_script\033\\" ; kermit -r receive where my_script looks something like this: if exists c:\mydir\my_file send c:\my_dir\my_file if not exists c:\my_dir\my_file send my_script This works okay. Since I send something for sure, C-Kermit doesn't hang, and once I have the file on my UNIX system I can figure out if it is data or my script. It's ugly and but there are some problems. 1) I can't delete my_script, i.e. putting 'run del my_script' inside the script has no effect. How come? 2) I would prefer to just send some error return (rather than my_script) if the data file doesn't exist. I tried using 'output ERROR' in the second if but it doesn't arrive on my UNIX system. Am I missing something? 3) If this ugly way is the only way, I need to reset file collision before I send my_script to the DOS system. That's easy enough to do with echo "\033_set file collision overwrite\033\\" and my_script would include the command to set file collision to what ever it was before. But, here is the problem: How can I determine what file callision was set to, save that information, and then use it to reset file collision when my_script is done? 4) Is there a GOOD source on using APC codes and MS-Kermit? I have read most of Using MS-Kermit and Using C-Kermit, but neither one mentions them. The .bwr files mention them but not in detail. Okay that should do it for today. BTW, I am running MS-Kermit 3.13 Patch level 0 dated July 8 1993 under DOS 6.2 and C-Kermit 5A(190) for UnixWare dated Oct/4/94 under UnixWare (thats Unix 4.2 I think). Thanks for reading this and thanks for any help. Ute --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a game that must be played. The rules of the games are known to us as the Laws of Nature. e-mail: uwillmore@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 22:21:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news2.acs.oakland.edu!newshub.gmr.com!hobbes.tad.eds.com!maverick.tad.eds.com!news-admin@tad.eds.com From: "R. Scott Bailey" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How are Kermit95 shipments going? Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 14:21:05 -0800 Organization: Somewhere in EDS... Lines: 15 Message-Id: <30994451.37E6@dsddi.eds.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: wimpy.dsddi.eds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Speaking of which, has anybody actually seen the rumored shrink-wrap Kermit 95 distribution? I'd buy it if I could find it. But it appears CompUSA, Computer City, and Egghead have none of them heard of this (at least in the Detroit area). At this rate, I'll have to break down and go mail order instead. Sigh. Craving instant gratification, and decent terminal emulation, Scott ---------- R. Scott Bailey sbailey@dsddi.eds.com system manager, postmaster sbailey@xcc.mc.xerox.com EDS / ESC - Detroit 313-556-6011 [8/346] From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 16:33:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:33:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:33:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where is kermit? Date: 3 Nov 1995 16:33:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <47dg81$leu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <476698$kj1@terminator.NCTS.NAVY.MIL> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <476698$kj1@terminator.NCTS.NAVY.MIL>, Chris Williams wrote: > Where can I find the source for Kermit? > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/ FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 16:44:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:44:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:44:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How are Kermit95 shipments going? Date: 3 Nov 1995 16:44:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <47dgt2$m36@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30994451.37E6@dsddi.eds.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30994451.37E6@dsddi.eds.com>, R. Scott Bailey wrote: > > Speaking of which, has anybody actually seen the rumored > shrink-wrap Kermit 95 distribution? I'd buy it if I could > find it. But it appears CompUSA, Computer City, and Egghead > have none of them heard of this (at least in the Detroit > area). At this rate, I'll have to break down and go mail > order instead. Sigh. > >Craving instant gratification, and decent terminal emulation, > Kermit 95 will definitely provide the latter :-) Getting a new product into the stores requires pressure from both ends -- the producers and the consumers. If your local Egghead / CompUSA / Computer City have not heard of the product, but you want to buy it from them, then presumably they would be glad to sell it to you if they knew how, especially given the dearth of Windows 95 products on the shelves so far. We are doing our best to get the word out to them from our end, but it also can't hurt for customers to instigate orders from their end too. If your computer store does not carry Kermit 95 but you would like them too, you can refer them to the distributor: Micro Central Inc. PO Box 1009 8998 Route 18 North Old Bridge NJ 08857 Fax: +1 (908) 360-0303 Voice: +1 (908) 360-0300 or the publisher: Manning Publications 3 Lewis Street Greenwich CT 06830 USA Fax: +1 (203) 661 9018 Voice: +1 (203) 629 2078 Email: 73150.1431@Compuserve.com Web: http://www.BrowseBooks.Com/BBC/kermit/Kermit.html Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 02:38:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:43:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:43:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit dial command on vax vms crashes after 'set dial dir' Date: 1 Nov 1995 02:38:39 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 73 Message-Id: <476mjf$5vu@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp1-07.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Tue Oct 31 6:38:39 PM PST 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With C-Kermit 5A(190) on VAX VMS 5.5-2 I did a 'set dial dir' to eliminate the display line that looked to the user like an error message when issuing a dial command with an actual phone number. The sho dial showed (none) for the dialing directory name. when I did a dial command with a number I got the following dump abort. Version information is also shown afterwards: ------------------------------------------------------------------ ADLVAX::system> kermit Executing SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]CKERMIT.INI;2 for VMS... Dial directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KDD Services directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KSD Executing CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS Executing sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMOD.INI... Good Afternoon! C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>set dial dir SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>dial 4444444 %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC=00092158, PSL=0BC00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC 00092158 00092158 0008AC89 0008AC89 CKUUS6 ludial 8041 000000B4 0006F340 CKUUS6 dodial 8118 000000D2 0006F57E CKUUSR docmd 8801 00000571 00075765 CKUUS5 parser 8580 000005A0 0006A4B8 CKCMAI main 8387 0000047D 00056F61 ADLVAX::system> ADLVAX::system> kermit Executing SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]CKERMIT.INI;2 for VMS... Dial directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KDD Services directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KSD Executing CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS Executing sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMOD.INI... Good Afternoon! C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>sho ver Versions: C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 Numeric: 501190 Communications I/O 2.0(077), 22 Sep 94 for OpenVMS VAX File support, 2.0(116), 4 Oct 94 for OpenVMS VAX C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(072), 18 Sep 94 C-Kermit functions, 5A(120) 18 Sep 94 Command package 5A(067), 2 Oct 94 User Interface 5A(156), 4 Oct 94 Character Set Translation 5A(022), 24 Jan 94 Connect Command 5A(036) 15 Sep 94 Dial Command, 5A(063) 4 Oct 94 Script Command, 5A(023) 4 Oct 94 Network support, 5A(039) 30 Sep 94 SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>q Returning you to VMS now. ---------------------------------------------------- The problem did not occur with the AXP VMS version of C-Kermit. Both the VAX and the working VMS C-Kermit came from the hexified code supplied with the kermit distribution tape. Please help, Thank you Sol Gongola ADL Data Systems Inc White Plains, New York From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 1 02:54:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:43:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:43:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:54:48 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 16 Message-Id: <476nho$71p@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46oh55$n82@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46oh55$n82@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: >>Now that the "it costs too much to support" excuse is gone, will this >>new support policy allow the Keepers of Kermit to liberate themselves >>from their silly anti-CDROM-distribution position? > >I've heard of biting the hand that feeds you before, but now have an >excellent example of such. Just remember the next time you are connected to a machine that doesn't have kermit available for file transfers that you think it is a good thing for kermit to be difficult to obtain. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 17:51:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:51:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:51:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with \v(ttyfd) Date: 3 Nov 1995 17:51:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <47dkqg$pam@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Martin Lichtin wrote: >I'm trying to invoke another kermit on top of an already running >kermit. This is actually described in the documentation, but it >doesn't seem to work for me. > Aha - a bug. The problem is that the second Kermit, when given the file descriptor of a Telnet connection, does not know it is a Telnet connection, and so does not engage in Telnet protocol with the Telnet server on the other end. To compound the situation, the first Kermit might have negotiated certain key parameters (like echoing) that the second Kermit doesn't find out about. The same scenario works fine for serial connections. We'll have to address this one in the next release. Thanks for the report! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 18:17:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:17:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:17:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-kermit and APC codes (LONG) Date: 3 Nov 1995 18:17:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <47dmbg$qlt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <478v23$1s8@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <478v23$1s8@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>, Ute R. Willmore wrote: >... >Anyway, now I am trying to determine if a file exists on the my DOS system, >and if so send that file to the UNIX system, otherwise, I want to give some >indication of the error to UNIX, to prevent C-Kermit from getting started. > Wouldn't it be easier to just have C-Kermit try to GET the file from an MS-DOS Kermit server, and if it fails, that means it wasn't there? [...as opposed to transferring a script file, then executing it...] >This works okay. Since I send something for sure, C-Kermit doesn't hang, and >once I have the file on my UNIX system I can figure out if it is data or my >script. It's ugly and but there are some problems. > >1) I can't delete my_script, i.e. putting 'run del my_script' inside the > script has no effect. How come? > Because it's open? >2) I would prefer to just send some error return (rather than my_script) > if the data file doesn't exist. I tried using 'output ERROR' in the second > if but it doesn't arrive on my UNIX system. Am I missing something? > If you used the method suggested at the top, the GET command would return an error code. In your "output" command, you probably need to stick \13 onto the end. ... >4) Is there a GOOD source on using APC codes and MS-Kermit? I have read most > of Using MS-Kermit and Using C-Kermit, but neither one mentions them. The > .bwr files mention them but not in detail. > The KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(190). Hope this helps. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 18:46:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:46:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:46:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit dial command on vax vms crashes after 'set dial dir' Date: 3 Nov 1995 18:46:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <47do20$s1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <476mjf$5vu@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <476mjf$5vu@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, David Pollack wrote: : With C-Kermit 5A(190) on VAX VMS 5.5-2 I did a 'set dial dir' to : eliminate the display line that looked to the user like an error : message when issuing a dial command with an actual phone number. The : sho dial showed (none) for the dialing directory name. when I did a : dial command with a number I got the following dump abort. Version : information is also shown afterwards: : ... : C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX : ... : The problem did not occur with the AXP VMS version of C-Kermit. Both : the VAX and the working VMS C-Kermit came from the hexified code : supplied with the kermit distribution tape. : Obviously some kind of bug. The obvious workaround is (as the doctor says) "don't do that". We'll have a fix the next release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 12:38:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:36:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:36:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.zeitgeist.net!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: 03 Nov 1995 12:38:38 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 27 Message-Id: References: <478qst$j1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 1 Nov 1995 22:04:13 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >However, if you look in the KEYMAPS subdirectory, you'll find most of what >you are after: > > VT220.INI, which sets up a complete VT200/300 (LK201) key map. > EMACS.INI, which sets up EMACS bindings including Alt=Meta. Yep, I saw those, but my keyboard has become pretty heavily customized over the years :-). An intensive session of "show key" commands in both the old kermit and new kermit got everything translated for me last night and it all works wonderfully now. The next step is to play around with tweaking file transfers and see how fast I can get it now that I can talk to the comm port over the native win32 interface without the dos virtual machine overhead. I'm sure I'm going to love it once I get everything configured just exactly right... P.S. When I made my own keymap file, I put it in the KEYMAPS directory, and then used the keyboard config menu to tell kermit to use that file (just giving it the basename of the file, not a full path name), the k95 program apparently looked for the file in the SCRIPTS directory, not the KEYMAPS directory, so I moved it to SCRIPTS and everything worked fine. -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 09:29:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:54:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:54:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132 column support Message-Id: <1995Oct31.152922.65524@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Oct 95 15:29:22 MDT References: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net>, "Gary A. Foley" writes: > I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that > are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in > cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it > automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? > (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) ----------- If you read our documentation I'm sure you will discover that 132 column video is a feature specific to individual boards, and every one is different. That means your board vendor knows how to do it and probably supplied a utility for the purpose. Check the board box for such a floppy. Kermit knows about some boards but will never be able to know about all that are on the market this month. That's why we provide the COLS132.BAT escape, as well as horizontal scrolling. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 20:06:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:06:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:06:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: 3 Nov 1995 15:06:23 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 78 Message-Id: <47dsnv$q5s@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <478qst$j1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , Tom Horsley wrote: >>However, if you look in the KEYMAPS subdirectory, you'll find most of what >>you are after: >> >> VT220.INI, which sets up a complete VT200/300 (LK201) key map. >> EMACS.INI, which sets up EMACS bindings including Alt=Meta. > >Yep, I saw those, but my keyboard has become pretty heavily customized over >the years :-). > You mean, physically? Hmmm... One thing I really would like to be able to do in Windows 95 is exchange the Caps Lock and Ctrl keys (and the Esc and ` keys). Our old DOS-level CAPSCTRL program, a couple simple lines of assembly code, did this just fine in DOS, but obviously doesn't cut the mustard in Windows. >An intensive session of "show key" commands in both the old >kermit and new kermit got everything translated for me last night and it all >works wonderfully now. The next step is to play around with tweaking file >transfers and see how fast I can get it now that I can talk to the comm port >over the native win32 interface without the dos virtual machine >overhead. I'm sure I'm going to love it once I get everything configured >just exactly right... > An excerpt from a posting from this morning's news: From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc Subject: Kermit95: 32-bit telnet with file transfer Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 15:45:34 GMT Organization: Syracuse University ... I've been friends with Kermit for about 4 years and have used it on DOS, Win3.1, Win95, OS/2, Linux, and remotely on Solaris, Sun, and Next. The first thing I did when I got Kermit95 was to verify that I could achieve the fast file transfer on a dialed connection that I was used to ... did it ... 3240 cps @28800 BAUD for uncompressible data (I don't often get that out of zmodem). Having done that, I got rid of hyper-terminal. Then I verified that it would telnet using the Win95 Winsock and SLIP or PPP ... did it (excellent terminal emulation) ... then I got rid of QVT. So I had to check out the file transfer during telnet ... not bad ... 2950 cps @28800 BAUD/SLIP for uncompressible data; FTP is a little faster, but then, that's FTP, not telnet. Last, I set up a Kermit95 client/server via null modem cable between my two Win95 machines (486DX33 and P5-90). That was a lot easier to do than Win95's direct cable connection and the file transfer was nice and fast (@115200 BAUD) in both directions. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* >P.S. When I made my own keymap file, I put it in the KEYMAPS directory, >and then used the keyboard config menu to tell kermit to use that file (just >giving it the basename of the file, not a full path name), the k95 program >apparently looked for the file in the SCRIPTS directory, not the KEYMAPS >directory, so I moved it to SCRIPTS and everything worked fine. > Right. Actually, the best way to do this is to put: KEYMAPS\blah.INI in the "Read from file" box in the Keyboard configuration page. Because really, all command files (scripts, ini files, etc) are executed with the TAKE command. And in Kermit 95, the TAKE command looks in the SCRIPTS subdirectory of the Kermit 95 installation directory if you only give the file's basename. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 21:01:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 17:46:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 17:46:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.graphics.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!ccnet.com!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit in Win95 Date: 3 Nov 1995 21:01:03 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 17 Message-Id: <47dvuf$4uo@bug.rahul.net> References: <1744BA0AES86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Manuel Morales (MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu) wrote: : I have been having trouble w/ missing/funny characters when running kermit : 3.13 through Win95. Can anyone tell me the appropriate settings to fix this : problem (i.e. in the properties section). I am running MSKermit 3.14 under Win95, using a PracPeriph 28.8 modem. I see no troubles with this setup. I can't recall doing anything in the properties section, other than making it full screen, and not allowing the screensaver to work. (Looking for a retail Kermit95 in Napa (snicker)) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 15:54:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 18:20:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12938 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 18:20:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup on receive Date: 4 Nov 1995 02:24:40 +1030 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 14 Message-Id: <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <174447818S86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jason Stephenson (JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu) wrote: : Here's one that's got me stumped: : : I just recently got a new machine with a faster (Global Village Teleport Gold : II) modem and am now having problems downloading with Kermit. It seems when : I try to download a file on my Performa 6116CD at 9600 bps my modem hangs up. Have you tried getting your modem to ignore DTR (&D0), and consulted with Mac modem experts on settings, hardware-handshaking cables and the like? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 4 00:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:13:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:13:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup on receive Date: 3 Nov 1995 19:12:55 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <47eb67$nmi@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <174447818S86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: >Jason Stephenson (JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu) wrote: >: I just recently got a new machine with a faster (Global Village Teleport >: Gold II) modem and am now having problems downloading with Kermit. It >: seems when I try to download a file on my Performa 6116CD at 9600 bps my >: modem hangs up. > >Have you tried getting your modem to ignore DTR (&D0), and consulted with Mac >modem experts on settings, hardware-handshaking cables and the like? > The ckmker.bwr file goes into some detail about this. Quoting: USING MAC KERMIT WITH MODEMS The Macintosh serial port is not an RS-232 device and does not support the full repertoire of modem signals needed for normal operation with modems. Communication with modems is accomplished using various "fakeouts", each of which sacrifices some feature in order to accomplish some other feature, since the Mac has only one modem signal to send to the modem, and reads only one modem signal from the modem. Thus, for example, the Mac can't hang up the phone by dropping DTR and use hardware flow control at the same time. To have the ability to hang up the phone by dropping DTR, you need a regular Macintosh modem cable that connects the Mac's "Handshake Out" signal (Mini-Din-8 Pin 1) to the modem's DTR signal (DB25 pin 20), and the modem should be configured to hang up when DTR goes down. In Mac Kermit, you should NOT check "DTR input flow control" or "CTS output flow control". To use hardware flow control with high-speed modems, you need: 1. A special Macintosh hardware-flow-control-modem cable that connects the modem's CTS signal (DB25 pin 5) to the Macintosh's "Handshake In" signal (Mini-Din-8 Pin 2) and the Mac's "Handshake Out" signal (Mini-Din-8 Pin 1) to the modem's RTS signal (DB25 pin 4). This cable *might be* available from stores or suppliers as a "Macintosh Hardware Handshake Modem Cable" (buy at your own risk). 2. You MUST configure your modem to ignore DTR ("&D0" on most Hayes and compatible modems) and to use RTS/CTS flow control. NOTE: This means you can't hang up the phone by "dropping DTR". Normally, it will hang up automatically when you log out from the remote computer or service. If it doesn't, use the escape sequence (such as +++) to get back to the modem's command processor, and then type the modem command for hanging up (usually ATH0). 3. In Mac Kermit's Communications Settings menu, uncheck Xon/Xoff flow control, and check DTR input flow control and CTS output flow control. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 06:25:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:11:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:11:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!paperboy.uconn.edu!UConnVM.UConn.Edu!MAM94006 From: MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit in Win95 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 95 11:25:34 EST Organization: University of Connecticut Lines: 13 Message-Id: <1744BA0AES86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.ucc.uconn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been having trouble w/ missing/funny characters when running kermit 3.13 through Win95. Can anyone tell me the appropriate settings to fix this problem (i.e. in the properties section). Thanks Very Much, Manuel ======================================= : MANUEL A. MORALES : : UNIV. OF CONN., DEPT. ECOL. & EVOL. : : 75 N. EAGLEVILLE, U-43 : : STORRS, CT 06269 : : (203) 486-5479 / (203) 486-6364 FAX : ======================================= From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 12:03:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:27:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:27:56 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!olsen.ch!lichtin From: lichtin@olsen.ch (Martin Lichtin) Subject: Proper way to run kermit in server mode under inetd? Message-Id: Sender: news@olsen.ch Organization: Olsen & Associates AG, Zurich, Switzerland Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:03:29 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I tried the following under SunOS, in /etc/inetd.conf, and it really seems to work! kermit stream tcp nowait nobody /kermit kermit -x -l 1 However, I was (sort of) guessing the open stdin file handle. Is this the proper ways of doing it or is there a cleaner way? However, there's a real serious problem that when I'm not explicitly shutdown the kermit server with a BYE or FINISH command, the server goes into a (endless?) loop complaining "TCP/IP: Broken pipe" trying to send "\1# N3". Any hint on how to avoid this behaviour? I can't count on clients to properly shutdown the connection... Thanks, Martin From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 4 03:21:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 22:38:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 22:38:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 3 Nov 1995 21:21:23 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 18 Message-Id: <47em7j$3bj@Mars.mcs.com> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46oh55$n82@ccnet2.ccnet.com> <476nho$71p@Mercury.mcs.com> <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: >>Just remember the next time you are connected to a machine that >>doesn't have kermit available for file transfers that you think >>it is a good thing for kermit to be difficult to obtain. >I *don't* think it is difficult to obtain - you do. I think what >Frank et al request is entirely reasonable and justifiable. It doesn't matter whether it is difficult for me, I'll do what I have to, and until recently that meant finding an ftpmailer that would mail through uunet to a uucp site. What matters is whether the *other* site that I don't control has a copy available when I want to transfer something. And in my experience, unless they are in some sort of communications business, they won't. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 02:04:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 00:12:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 00:12:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 02:04:31 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <47ehg2$l9l@newstand.syr.edu> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial4-040.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom, Did you notice that K95 has an emacs keymap file? I can't say how well it works, but it's there, in \k95\keymaps. tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) wrote: >Well, I just got my kermit 95 last night, installed it on Windows NT, and it >seems to work fine. Now I need to get it configured so everything works the >same way it did in the MS-DOS kermit I was using before. >The only major thing I have configured away from the defaults in DOS is my >key bindings. I have gazillions of them defined to make using emacs easier. >I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chances are that the >scan codes I use to set key bindings in DOS are the same as the scan codes >k95 accepts. (I know I could sit around running show key commands in both >versions and build a translation table, but I thought someone might already >have done this :-). >-- >-- >Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com >Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 >Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 >Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! >(email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 4 01:03:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:58:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:58:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!niflheim.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: hungridg@rci.rutgers.edu (Wayne Hungridge) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit (5A)191 for OS/2 -- Non-recoverable error. Date: 3 Nov 1995 20:03:22 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47ee4q$p39@niflheim.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: niflheim.rutgers.edu Keywords: 191 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I upgraded from version (5A)190 to (5A)191 using packaged INSTALL program. Allowed CONFIG.SYS update. Now I'm getting the following message: "A non-recoverable error occurred. The process ended." I have no IRQ conflicts. I'm using COM2 as before. Problem occurs whether I use COM.SYS or SIO.SYS. As far as I know, there are no concurrent applications sharing the COM2 device. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Wayne Hungridge From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 19:29:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:44:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:44:44 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!schbbs!news From: rankin@smeagol.sat.mot.com () Subject: How does one get Kermit 95? Organization: Motorola, Inc. - Chandler, AZ Date: 02 Nov 1995 12:29:27 -0700 Message-Id: Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.8 Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (SCHBBS News Account) Nntp-Posting-Host: 170.1.8.182 Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The subject says it all. Any info appreciated. Thanks, -- ============================================================================= | /\ /\ Rick Rankin | | / \ / \ Motorola GSTG Voice: 602-732-3494 | | /___ v ___\ 2501 S. Price Rd. Fax: 602-732-5205 | | // \ / \\ Chandler, AZ 85248 E-mail: rick_rankin@email.mot.com | | // v \\ Mail Drop G1112 | ============================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 03:36:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:44:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:44:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!news.csie.nctu.edu.tw!nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw!jou From: jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log? Date: 3 Nov 1995 03:36:28 GMT Organization: Liquid Crystal Lab., Chiao Tung Univ., Taiwan. Lines: 16 Message-Id: <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> References: <4799gm$mmv@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: jou%@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote: : I am running C-Kermit 5A(189) on my Linux system. Whenever I 'log : session', the contents of my session.log file get overwritten. I have : searched through the various 'help set ?', 'show ...' and 'set ?' : commands to find some setting to control this, but I can't. The default : behavior on my MS-Kermit is to append. This is what I want on C-Kermit. : How? Use 'log session append' Use 'help log' or 'man kermit' to get help --Jou == Wei-Jou Chen ( 3/+B&{ ) at LC Lab, IEO, NCTU == == Email:jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw == == Mail : No. 25, Lane 878, Nan-Ta Road, Hsinchu, Taiwan __o == == 7s&K%++n$j8t878+Q2589 _\<,_, == == Fax/Modem: +886-35-613285 Tel: +886-35-266575 . ..(*)/(*) == From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 03:08:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 09:34:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 09:34:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!newspeak.ultratech.net!worldlinx.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook.halcyon.com!kmhouse From: "Kathleen M. House" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup sometimes doesn't work Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:08:03 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The hangup command will occasionally fail to function when a script temninates abnormally. When I use CTRL/C to termintate the script, and then go back into Kermit to use the hangup command, the modem will sometimes stay connected through any number of hangup commands. Once this situation occurs, even piping an ATH to com2 in DOS will not work, whereas it usually does. The only way I've been able to disconnect the modem in this situation is to go into Windows and hangup using Terminal. Any ideas on why this is happening? K. House kmhouse@halcyon.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 4 05:29:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:37:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:37:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 3 Nov 1995 23:29:06 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 67 Message-Id: <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >> Once upon a time I thought that was the philosopy >>behind kermit too. >It was, but times changed. I think you are missing the difference between >the Kermit project and various other projects on the net that you >associate with "free software". The difference is: we are working on this >full time, and with some of us, it is our real job -- even our career. I don't have any objection to commercial versions especially for the flashy interactive stuff. I just miss the old standby file transfer and script driven communications utility that you could count on everyone having. In fact I'd like it better if terminal emulations had never been added. If you watch the other newsgroups you'll see questions about how to script telnet sessions show up every few weeks. I haven't seen anyone but myself point out that kermit does this naturally and on several platforms, and any of them can drive just about any program on the same or a different platform. The usual answer is to get 'expect' which only runs on unix and then you have to learn tcl to use it. Kermit can do a loopback telnet through a script to run things that need a pty or controlling terminal and do anything expect could do. I guess everyone else just thinks of kermit as a terminal emulator these days. >We >are here for the long haul, as long as there is a demand, to develop and >support Kermit protocol and software. You can't say that about most of >the other software that you cite. The BSD project is shut down, the >people scattered to the wind. But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong. >Many of the other examples are one-shot >deals -- the people who created them moved on to something else -- you >can't get good, dependable support for that type of software. You can for >Kermit. Some are, some aren't. Most GNU utilities are updated periodically and you can get commercial support. Sometimes you see a dramatic improvement when someone new takes over a project that someone else consided finished. >By the way, if you or anybody else wants to contribute code, make >improvements, etc, nothing is stopping you. But you have to leave >administration of our copyright up to us, because long after you have >moved on to something else, we will still need to be here. I don't mean to imply that you aren't doing a good job, but other people/groups are managing to keep packages updated while allowing the code to be freely distributed. The problem is that the value of kermit as a file transfer/scripting utility depends largely on it already being available at the other end of your connection and the distribution policy makes this unlikely, especially in the places you need kermit (i.e. no ftp...). Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line. There are lots of other terminal emulators to run over winsock so I don't care about that part but I'd like to be able to run the same scripts that the unix/dos versions can. If it weren't for the distribution restrictions, someone else might have done a quick and dirty compile of the script and file tranfer code to run over winsock by now. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 16:45:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:45:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:45:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Proper way to run kermit in server mode under inetd? Date: 4 Nov 1995 16:45:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <47g5aj$r5i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Martin Lichtin wrote: : : I tried the following under SunOS, in /etc/inetd.conf, and it really : seems to work! : : kermit stream tcp nowait nobody /kermit kermit -x -l 1 : : However, I was (sort of) guessing the open stdin file handle. Is this : the proper ways of doing it or is there a cleaner way? : : However, there's a real serious problem that when I'm not explicitly : shutdown the kermit server with a BYE or FINISH command, the server : goes into a (endless?) loop complaining "TCP/IP: Broken pipe" trying : to send "\1# N3". Any hint on how to avoid this behaviour? I can't : count on clients to properly shutdown the connection... : Exactly which version of C-Kermit? 5A(190) is current, 5A(192) is in development. A packet log might show why the server is trying to send a NAK. The default is for it not to do that in between "transactions". Maybe all you need to do is tell it "set server timeout 0". One of the many items on our list is to make C-Kermit capable of running on its own socket, just like (say) an FTP server, but we have not done this yet for UNIX. However, we do have a socket assigned by IANA for this purpose: 1649, as yet unused. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 16:46:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:46:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:46:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does one get Kermit 95? Date: 4 Nov 1995 16:46:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <47g5c8$r5t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >The subject says it all. Any info appreciated. > All the information is in the Kermit 95 Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 16:49:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:49:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:49:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup sometimes doesn't work Date: 4 Nov 1995 16:49:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 79 Message-Id: <47g5jc$r8d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kathleen M. House wrote: : The hangup command will occasionally fail to function when a script : temninates abnormally. When I use CTRL/C to termintate the script, and : then go back into Kermit to use the hangup command, the modem will : sometimes stay connected through any number of hangup commands. Once : this situation occurs, even piping an ATH to com2 in DOS will not work, : whereas it usually does. The only way I've been able to disconnect the : modem in this situation is to go into Windows and hangup using Terminal. : So you're talking about MS-DOS Kermit, right? Which version? From our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 13 WHY DOESN'T THE HANGUP COMMAND WORK FOR ME? On network connections, Kermit's HANGUP command executes the appropriate network protocol for closing the connection, and this should always work. On serial connections, the HANGUP commands turns off the computer's DTR (Data Terminal Ready) signal for a period of time. According to the standard that governs modem signals, this action is supposed to make a modem hang up the phone call. If it doesn't: 1. Your modem has been configured to "Ignore DTR". This setting is available on most Hayes-compatible modems, either on a physical switch (such as Configuration Switch 1 on the Hayes 1200) or as a command (&Dx on Hayes 2400 and later, and compatibles). In many cases, "Ignore DTR" is the factory setting. If you want your modem to obey the DTR signal, then you should set the switch appropriately, or give the command AT&D2. The actual syntax of the command might vary among different brands and models of modems, so consult your modem manual for details. 2. Your cable or connector has DTR "hotwired high", meaning that the DTR wire is jumpered to some other signal that is always high (on). If this is not what you desire, you should replace your cable with a standard modem cable. 3. You are using a Macintosh with a "hardware handshaking cable". This is actually the same situation as (2), except there is no way to "fix" the cable - please read the ckmker.bwr file for an explanation. To work around these problems in Kermit, without actually fixing the underlying cause, you can use a macro that escapes back to the modem's command processor and gives it the command to hang up. Such a macro is predefined for you in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 initialization file, MSKERMIT.INI: ; ATHANGUP macro. Use this if regular HANGUP command doesn't do the trick. def ATHANGUP sleep 1,out +++,sleep 1,out ath0\13 (Note: C-Kermit uses this technique anyway.) In MS-DOS Kermit, you can assign execution of this macro to the "hot key" of your choice, for example: set key \315 {\Kathangup} ; Assign ATHANGUP macro to the F1 key In Mac Kermit, you can just go to the terminal screen and do it by hand: - Pause at least one second - Type +++ - Pause at least one second - Type ATH0 (letters A, T, H, digit zero) - Press the return key. The modem should hang up and say NO CARRIER. (End quote) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 17:00:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:01:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:01:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 4 Nov 1995 17:00:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <476nho$71p@Mercury.mcs.com> <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com> <47em7j$3bj@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47em7j$3bj@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : In article <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, : Greg Bernard wrote: : >>Just remember the next time you are connected to a machine that : >>doesn't have kermit available for file transfers that you think : >>it is a good thing for kermit to be difficult to obtain. : : >I *don't* think it is difficult to obtain - you do. I think what : >Frank et al request is entirely reasonable and justifiable. : : It doesn't matter whether it is difficult for me, I'll do what : I have to, and until recently that meant finding an ftpmailer : that would mail through uunet to a uucp site. What matters is : whether the *other* site that I don't control has a copy available : when I want to transfer something. And in my experience, unless : they are in some sort of communications business, they won't. : Anybody who wants to obtain Kermit software (other than Kermit 95) for their own use can just ftp it from Columbia or, if they are not on the net, they can order it from us. Or they can go to a store and buy it (MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit 95). Our problem is with companies that expect to be able to SELL our software to their customers, or to bundle it with products that they sell the their customers, without giving us anything back for it. Because when we allow that: . We lose income that we otherwise would have received. . We get additional work because of tech-support calls. That is: we do the work, the company gets the money, and in return we get even more work. Does that strike you as a good model for a self-supporting software development project? If you have a company that wants to benefit financially from distributing our software to your customers, you very simply license the right to do so from us. If you think that is unreasonable, that's your privilege. On the other hand, if you are saying that you need to dial up or telnet to a host or service that refuses to even FTP Kermit software, I think that service has a serious problem in the way it treats its customers, and you should be talking to them, not us -- especially if you are paying them money. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 17:14:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:14:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:14:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 4 Nov 1995 17:14:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : In article <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : I don't have any objection to commercial versions especially for : the flashy interactive stuff. I just miss the old standby file : transfer and script driven communications utility that you could : count on everyone having. In fact I'd like it better if terminal : emulations had never been added. If you watch the other newsgroups : you'll see questions about how to script telnet sessions show up : every few weeks. I haven't seen anyone but myself point out that : kermit does this naturally and on several platforms, and any of : them can drive just about any program on the same or a different : platform. The usual answer is to get 'expect' which only runs on : unix and then you have to learn tcl to use it. Kermit can do a : loopback telnet through a script to run things that need a pty : or controlling terminal and do anything expect could do. I guess : everyone else just thinks of kermit as a terminal emulator these days. : Good points! But I still don't understand your insistence that the software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available. See my other posting of today. : But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong. : And each off in its own direction. Look at how each of these needs separate code in Kermit to support. Wouldn't it be nice if the world were more consistent. There is something to be said for centralized coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide. : I don't mean to imply that you aren't doing a good job, but other : people/groups are managing to keep packages updated while allowing : the code to be freely distributed. : Our code is freely distributed too. The question is how can it be REdistributed? The reasonable restrictions we have placed on commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by profiteers. Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make the decision. : Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform : is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock : which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line. : Granted. At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but were not completed. That's one of the pitfalls of free software -- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac Kermit). Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows 3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project? Five or ten years ago there would have been plenty of takers. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 18:40:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 17:40:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 17:40:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mtu.edu!msunews!news.gmi.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132 column support Date: 3 Nov 1995 18:40:30 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 21 Message-Id: <47dnmu$hm3@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Gary A. Foley (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) wrote: % I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that % are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in % cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it % automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? % (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) I have found that the escape sequence [=85h works with quite a number of video adapters if you use either of the NANSI.SYS or NNANSI.COM screen drivers (available from simtel and mirrors). Doesn't work in Windows, of course. ( means the escape character, ascii 27. You can echo the sequence to the screen in COLS132.BAT) Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 271956 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key: finger leilabd@solx1.central.susx.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 01:24:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:49:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:49:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news00.sunet.se!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!merlin.hgc.edu!gutmanat From: Nathan Gutman Subject: Kermit Lite w/QmodemTD Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: usenet@merlin.hgc.edu (Action News Central) Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:24:31 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How should a SEND.BAT file look to use Kermit Lite as an external protocol with say QmodemTD? Can some kind soul e-mail an example or perhaps the real thing. This of course to run on a PC under DOS. Thanks in advance, Nathan Gutman From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 14:27:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 04:03:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 04:03:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit in Win95 Message-Id: <1995Nov4.202722.65941@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 95 20:27:21 MDT References: <1744BA0AES86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1744BA0AES86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>, MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) writes: > I have been having trouble w/ missing/funny characters when running kermit > 3.13 through Win95. Can anyone tell me the appropriate settings to fix this > problem (i.e. in the properties section). -------- Manuel, I think we need some help describing what you saw, what you expected to see, and how your system is setup. The most common "error" is to use no parity on your PC but the remote system (typically Unix) is using parity on each byte. The cure is to select a matching parity on the PC, a band-aid is to say SET DISPLAY 7 to chop the high (parity) bit from each INCOMING byte. Another possibility is you had a DOS Code Page active yet it was not chosen in Windows. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 02:13:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 07:15:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 07:15:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.erinet.com!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!mfoley From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log? Date: 2 Nov 1995 02:13:42 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 7 Message-Id: <4799gm$mmv@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running C-Kermit 5A(189) on my Linux system. Whenever I 'log session', the contents of my session.log file get overwritten. I have searched through the various 'help set ?', 'show ...' and 'set ?' commands to find some setting to control this, but I can't. The default behavior on my MS-Kermit is to append. This is what I want on C-Kermit. How? From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 17:17:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 12:48:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 12:48:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does one get Kermit 95? Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 17:17:31 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47irbr$dhp@newstand.syr.edu> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial4-035.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One buys it. Visit http://www.columbia.edu/kermit for details. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 20:17:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:00:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:00:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hodes.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!llibw From: llibw@netcom.com (bill worder) Subject: Mackermit, binaries,& netcom Message-Id: Summary: problems with downloaded binary files Keywords: binaries Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:17:13 GMT Lines: 10 Sender: llibw@netcom22.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My binary files will not decode. I am using Mac.LC, Netcom, Kermit, & JPG. The steps I take are: -Go to menu, Settings and set Mode for Binary -Go to newsgroup and mail file to my E-mail address -Go to Pine and Export file to Home Directory -Go to Kermit, Set File Type Binary, Send file -Go to menu, file-transfer, and click Recieve When the downloading is finished I attempt to decode with JPG and nothing happens. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 09:27:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:00:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:00:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Message-Id: <1995Nov4.152700.65920@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 95 15:27:00 MDT References: <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu writes: > In <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>> In article , >>> Psychos 'R Us wrote: >>> : ... > [snip] >>> : >>> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used >>> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, >>> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with > One further data point: if you use OS/2, the shareware SIO serial port > drivers know how to use the ESP board (single interrupt for both ports, > very high port rates, ...). Last time I checked the current version of > SIO was 1.53. > > Stuart Biggar -------- Good comment. Could you point me to the current archive for SIO so we can keep it handy for OS/2 customers? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 18:35:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28990 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:36:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:36:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit (5A)191 for OS/2 -- Non-recoverable error. Date: 5 Nov 1995 18:35:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <47j06e$4j9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47ee4q$p39@niflheim.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: 191 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47ee4q$p39@niflheim.rutgers.edu>, Wayne Hungridge wrote: >I upgraded from version (5A)190 to (5A)191 using packaged INSTALL program. >Allowed CONFIG.SYS update. Now I'm getting the following message: > > "A non-recoverable error occurred. The process ended." > >I have no IRQ conflicts. I'm using COM2 as before. Problem occurs whether >I use COM.SYS or SIO.SYS. As far as I know, there are no concurrent >applications sharing the COM2 device. > When does that message occur? Before or after C-Kermit starts? Have you tampered with the value of THREADS in your CONFIG.SYS file? Try using the '-d' switch on the command line to generate a debug.log file of the startup process. This should show where it is dying if C-Kermit is even starting. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 19:35:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:31:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:31:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tetsuo.communique.net!not-for-mail From: mango@ryu.communique.net (Raul Zighelboim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and Xmodem and Unix Date: 5 Nov 1995 13:35:07 -0600 Organization: Communique Inc., New Orleans Lines: 19 Message-Id: <47j3lb$fgr@ryu.communique.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ryu.communique.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello; I run C-Kermit to conenct to another system over a serial port. I would like to be able to transfer a file over the kermit connection using xmodem i (as it is the only protocol supportted by the other box). In general, I set the other machine into receive and then jump back to my fisrst server to start the doneload. Is thiss something possible from C-kermit/Unox/Xmodem ? I can do it from OS/2 using p.exe, but I cannot figure out if thesame is true for Unix ... Thanks for any reply in the right direction. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raul Zighelboim e-mail: mango@communique.net Communique Inc. Tel: 504.527.6200 Technical Specialist Fax: 504.527.6030 From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 20:34:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:56:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:56:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!mercury.interpath.com!not-for-mail From: puff@mercury.interpath.com (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log? Date: 5 Nov 1995 15:34:18 -0500 Organization: Interpath -- Public Access UNIX for North Carolina Lines: 28 Message-Id: <47j74a$qp3@mercury.interpath.com> References: <4799gm$mmv@horus.infinet.com> <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, Wei-Jou Chen wrote: >Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote: > >: I am running C-Kermit 5A(189) on my Linux system. Whenever I 'log >: session', the contents of my session.log file get overwritten. I have >: searched through the various 'help set ?', 'show ...' and 'set ?' >: commands to find some setting to control this, but I can't. The default >: behavior on my MS-Kermit is to append. This is what I want on C-Kermit. >: How? >Use 'log session append' I was setting up ckermit for OverlySlow/2 the other day and tried this. CKermit kept munging the filename when I put a full path to the file in the statement. C:\dn\ckerlog.txt became c\dckerlog.txt or something like that. Same with the transaction file. Pat >Use 'help log' or 'man kermit' to get help >--Jou From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 21:49:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:49:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:49:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log? Date: 5 Nov 1995 21:49:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <47jbgo$dc5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4799gm$mmv@horus.infinet.com> <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> <47j74a$qp3@mercury.interpath.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47j74a$qp3@mercury.interpath.com>, Pat Fogarty wrote: :In article <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, :Wei-Jou Chen wrote: : > Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote: : > ... "log session blah append" ... : : I was setting up ckermit for OverlySlow/2 the other day and tried : this. CKermit kept munging the filename when I put a full path to : the file in the statement. : : C:\dn\ckerlog.txt became c\dckerlog.txt or something like that. : That shouldn't happen in the current OS/2 version, 5A(191), which was battered into allowing backslashes in filenames even though backslash is also a special character in all C-Kermit commands: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html In OS/2 and other C-Kermit versions that run on operating systems that use backslash as the directory separator, you can also use / instead of \ in any local filename. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 22:42:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:04:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:04:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 5 Nov 1995 16:42:00 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 63 Message-Id: <47jejo$lkh@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com> <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Good points! But I still don't understand your insistence that the >software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available. See my other >posting of today. Availability isn't the only issue. If kermit isn't *already* at the other end you have a problem. What is your estimate of this being the case the first time someone wants to communicate? >: But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong. >: >And each off in its own direction. Look at how each of these needs >separate code in Kermit to support. Wouldn't it be nice if the world >were more consistent. There is something to be said for centralized >coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide. That would be pretty much irrelevant if you allowed those distributions to include a working kermit binary. Someone else would do it. Especially if you would move the code that deals with tty lines into a separate module so it could simply be replaced for each major variation instead of being a nightmare of #ifdef's. >Our code is freely distributed too. The question is how can it be >REdistributed? The reasonable restrictions we have placed on >commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the >Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by >profiteers. Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have >chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make >the decision. It is freely distributed to people who have ftp access. Why do those people need kermit other than for terminal emulation? The people who need it for file transfers don't have it and can get other products easier. If that is the way you wanted things, then I guess you made the right decision, but it sure doesn't follow the spirit of the old kermit documents. >: Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform >: is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock >: which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line. >: >Granted. At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but >were not completed. That's one of the pitfalls of free software >-- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing >projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more >graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac >Kermit). Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows >3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project? Five or ten years ago there >would have been plenty of takers. I suspect that there would still be takers if the resulting product could be used by the person/company that did the port. Free software generally comes from someone who needs something for their own work and realizes that it doesn't cost anything to let others use it. With kermit, you can't redistribute the modified product even for your own benifit so it is not at all surprising that no one is interested in doing it. You probably won't find many people contributing code to commercial vendors so they can sell it back to them either. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 00:54:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:54:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:54:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 6 Nov 1995 00:54:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 102 Message-Id: <47jmc6$m1t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com> <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47jejo$lkh@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47jejo$lkh@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : >Good points! But I still don't understand your insistence that the : >software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available. See my other : >posting of today. : : In article <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : Availability isn't the only issue. If kermit isn't *already* at the : other end you have a problem. What is your estimate of this being : the case the first time someone wants to communicate? : That's a good question. I don't think anybody knows the answer. But in each particular case, you will find (a) no Kermit at all, (b) a Kermit implementation that doesn't even work, (c) a minimalistic Kermit that barely works but is slow as molasses, or (d) a modern up-to-date Kermit. Cases (b) and (c) result from a lack of control in the early days -- just the kind of "freedom" you are advocating now. Of course (d) would be our preference, but using 20-20 hindsight, I think I'd prefer (a) to (b) and (c), since all the crummy implementations out there are what have given many people the mistaken idea that Kermit protocol and software themselves are intrinsically crummy -- including people who should know better, such as major modem manufacturers (read any modem manuals lately?). : >: But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong. : >: : >And each off in its own direction. Look at how each of these needs : >separate code in Kermit to support. Wouldn't it be nice if the world : >were more consistent. There is something to be said for centralized : >coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide. : : That would be pretty much irrelevant if you allowed those distributions : to include a working kermit binary. Someone else would do it. Especially : if you would move the code that deals with tty lines into a separate : module so it could simply be replaced for each major variation instead : of being a nightmare of #ifdef's. : I challenge you to do a better job. Do you have 10 spare years? Seriously, it is the age-old tradeoff between modularity and code sharing. If we split the ckutio.c module off into 400-500 different copies, then any functional improvement we make in one place might well need to be made in hundreds of others. That's not to say there couldn't be any improvements, of course. Only that the scope and complexity of this project are way beyond anything anybody ever expected at the beginning, and so some of the various modules have grown in, shall we say, unexpected ways. And at each step along the way, it has almost always been not only easier, but SAFER, to add some new arcane UNIX system-dependency within #ifdefs than to rewrite 50,000 lines of code. By safer, I mean satisfying somebody's need for the new thing without breaking support for hundreds of other platforms in the process. If we had it all to do over again, maybe we'd also design C and UNIX themselves to make just a wee bit more sense. : >Our code is freely distributed too. The question is how can it be : >REdistributed? The reasonable restrictions we have placed on : >commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the : >Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by : >profiteers. Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have : >chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make : >the decision. : : It is freely distributed to people who have ftp access. Why do : those people need kermit other than for terminal emulation? The : people who need it for file transfers don't have it and can get : other products easier. If that is the way you wanted things, then : I guess you made the right decision, but it sure doesn't follow the : spirit of the old kermit documents. : Well, we're beginning (again) to go in circles here. I freely and openly confess that the spirit in which the original Kermit documents were written no longer totally applies. The world is a meaner place now -- to us and to everybody. It would be easy for us to say (as you want us to), "OK, it's free again, anybody can do whatever they want to with it", and then walk away and get new jobs and "let the hundred flowers bloom." Before you knew it, you'd have 1000 incompatible divergent strains with no way on earth to make improvements to all of them, and not long after that you'd begin to see failures to interoperate, as clever programmers improved the protocol. : >: Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform : >: is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock : >: which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line. : >: : >Granted. At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but : >were not completed. That's one of the pitfalls of free software : >-- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing : >projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more : >graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac : >Kermit). Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows : >3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project? Five or ten years ago there : >would have been plenty of takers. : : I suspect that there would still be takers if the resulting product : could be used by the person/company that did the port. : Who said it couldn't? If somebody wants to do this work and also be able to profit from it, all they need to do is talk to us. We are reasonable people. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 03:26:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:00:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:00:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!usenet From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 5 Nov 1995 03:26:35 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 40 Message-Id: <47hatb$h6s@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <1995Nov4.152700.65920@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Nov4.152700.65920@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu writes: >> In <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>>In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>>> In article , >>>> Psychos 'R Us wrote: >>>> : ... >> [snip] >>>> : >>>> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used >>>> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, >>>> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with > >> One further data point: if you use OS/2, the shareware SIO serial port >> drivers know how to use the ESP board (single interrupt for both ports, >> very high port rates, ...). Last time I checked the current version of >> SIO was 1.53. >> >> Stuart Biggar >-------- > Good comment. Could you point me to the current archive for SIO >so we can keep it handy for OS/2 customers? > Joe D. I have a FTP-PM object set up: ftp site: vmbbs.gwinn.com directory: /H/BBS/FTP/DL02 current filename: SIO153.ZIP There is also a BBS phone number: 1 304 255-7903 (from 1.53 readme) Hope this helps, Stuart Biggar By the way, I really LIKE ckermit for OS/2 - good job. I'm a bit of a novice but it work quite well to telnet to the Suns at work over the OS/2 IAK (or Connect) PPP. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 03:56:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:03:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:03:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!usenet From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with OS/2 C-Kermit and IBM NR/2 problem Date: 5 Nov 1995 03:56:56 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 38 Message-Id: <47hcm8$jso@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Reply-To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem running C-Kermit for OS/2 and NR/2 at the same time over an IAK PPP connection (to a Sun SPARC Solaris 2.4 PPP server at the office). Specifics: IBM 755CX, 40 MB RAM, 810 MB drive, OS/2 Warp as delivered in the dual boot with DOS 7.0/Win 3.11 setup. I have added Mwave 2.0 drivers, the PPP and other IAK fixes, and the updated ThinkPad utilities/drivers/PCMCIA/IR stuff from the IBM web sites. I use SIO 1.53 serial port drivers with the built in MWave modem on COM2. A 14.4 error-corrected PPP link is negotiated with VJ header compression (speed limited by the Sun modem). The IAK PPP connection seems to work fine - I can run C-Kermit and telnet to work, run IBM's Web Browser, use FTP, NewsReader/2, and such. However, if NR/2 is running I have problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) with date of 6-06-95 and file size of 719566. If I start C-Kermit, it looks OK. At the prompt I type: telnet cobra and I promptly get the following (writing over text in the 1st and 2nd line of the C-Kermit window): Sorry, can't create threadit.ini for OS/2... [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>_ I probably have something misconfigured (easy to do as OS/2 is so configurable!) but I don't have a clue at this point. This same sequence works if NR/2 is not running (cobra is the name of the Sun PPP host and DNS knows its name and IP address and DNS is working). The obvious solution is to not run c-kermit when NR/2 is up but I would like to be able to. Any tips, pointers, guesses, or solutions welcome. Thanks, Stuart Biggar Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Remote Sensing Group, Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 01:26:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:26:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:26:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with OS/2 C-Kermit and IBM NR/2 problem Date: 6 Nov 1995 01:26:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <47jo7p$nj0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47hcm8$jso@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47hcm8$jso@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, wrote: > >However, if NR/2 is running I have problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) with >date of 6-06-95 and file size of 719566. If I start C-Kermit, it looks OK. >At the prompt I type: telnet cobra >and I promptly get the following (writing over text in the 1st and 2nd line >of the C-Kermit window): > >Sorry, can't create thread Please check your CONFIG.SYS file for the THREADS line. You have probably edited the file and set this value too low. Please read the CKERMIT.INF file section on OS/2 tuning. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 20:27:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook.halcyon.com!kmhouse From: "Kathleen M. House" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup sometimes doesn't work Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 16:17:03 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <47g5jc$r8d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <47g5jc$r8d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > So you're talking about MS-DOS Kermit, right? Which version? Whoops - MS-DOS, right, ver. 3.14 - sorry about that! > set key \315 {\Kathangup} ; Assign ATHANGUP macro to the F1 key > Does the key need to be remapped after Kermit is closed? (I know how to do this, if its necessary) > - Frank Thanks for the FAQs and the prompt and *polite* response. Kathleen From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 13:24:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!lfsserv1.lfs.loral.com!news-owego.endicott.ibm.com!news From: shirley@lfs.loral.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dial Out from Kermit CMS Date: 3 Nov 1995 13:24:06 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Owego, NY Lines: 10 Message-Id: <47d55m$hgu@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cas1-7.endicott.ibm.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi- I've sucessfully dialed out with Kermit-CMS by telnetting from the Kermit-CMS prompt to a port on the terminal server setup for dialout. How do you actually send and receive files though? I tried SHOW ESCAPE to see what the escape character is so I can hotkey to local mode, but no luck. What is the escape character? Can this be done? I'm using version Kermit-CMS Version 4.3.1 XA (95/02/02) Thanks, Shirley eys and command prompt as white (this is OK), text that is input at the > command prompt is red (this is also OK). > > However, the text next to the PF keys which describes what you're supposed to > do with the menu displays in dark blue, and is very hard to see. I need to > change it to a lighter blue. I'm not sure what this text "name" is to change > it. Changing the underscore color didn't help. ------------ The remote host is sending the color commands. These are the foreground color and intensity and the background color. You need to contact the owners of that machine and have them modify what the application sends to your client. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 12:31:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cfa.org!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!cmcl2!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!usenet From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 3 Nov 1995 12:31:50 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Optical Sciences Center Lines: 44 Message-Id: <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> In article , >> Psychos 'R Us wrote: >> : ... [snip] >> : >> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used >> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, >> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with >> 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the >> planet and requires special drivers. Now obviously Hayes Smartcom knows >> how to drive the ESP board to full advantage, hence the higher transfer >> rates with Hayes software. I expect that the OS/2 serial driver knows >> enough about the ESP to put it into 16550A mode, but beyond that, does not >> bother with the Hayes-specific features. >> >> I might be mistaken, but I believe that some special magic is required to >> put the ESP in 16550A mode, and this magic first appeared in MS-DOS Kermit >> version 3.14. If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in >> character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you >> report. We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it >> turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience, >> and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list. >> >> - Frank >--------- > On the Hayes ESP board. MSK does not have special code for it. >As things turned out none was needed if the board is configured by the >ESP configuration program. It looks like a 16550A UART. The fancy DMA >transfer capability of the board is, um, not exactly what a communications >program would use and details are best left between Hayes and the programmer. >There is a Windows driver for the board, from Hayes (with that DMA stuff), >but it also runs without it. > So the obvious suggestion here is to re-run the ESP configuration >program to be sure it's capabilities have not faded from static memory. > Joe D. One further data point: if you use OS/2, the shareware SIO serial port drivers know how to use the ESP board (single interrupt for both ports, very high port rates, ...). Last time I checked the current version of SIO was 1.53. Stuart Biggar From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 02:14:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk.super.net!patrickt From: patrickt@tst.hk.super.net (Mr Patrick ShuPui Tam) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control string from host Date: 5 Nov 1995 02:14:35 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Supernet Lines: 11 Message-Id: <47h6mb$pg8@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: is1.hk.super.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any means to have Kermit to recognize a control string that sent from the host and then execute a dos batch ? In particular, the host run a cash receipt program, then send out a control string. After kermit capture this control string, it execute a small DOS batch program which open the cash drawer. Please email me if you know the answer. Patrick Tam. patrickt@hk.super.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 20:27:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!io.org!news.interlog.com!news.dra.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Psychos 'R Us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 22:19:40 -0600 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 70 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : : set file type binary : : set warning on : : set buffer 65536 65536 : : set window 24 : : set send packet 2048 : : set block-check 2 : : set flow none : : set flow rts : : : : With MS-kermit... : : : Which version? 3.14 patch 0 (21 May 1995) : : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%. : : : The percent efficiency is based on the interface speed, not the : modulation speed. Since ZIP files can't be further compressed by : the modem, the upward bound on transferring them is approximately : 1.11 times the modulation speed = 1600 cps (derivation of this figure : is left as an exercise for the reader :-). 880 cps is therefore more : like 55%, not 18%. Right now, with all the control characters unprefixed, the transfer is exactly 1187cps at 14.4k -- which, in my opinion, little bit low. (: But it was an improvement from 880cps. : : There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation : : will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that : : came with OS/2. I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts. : : ... : : The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended : : buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a : : decent modem... : : : The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used : at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, : 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with : 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the : ... : version 3.14. If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in : character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you : report. We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it : turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience, : and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list. For more FYI, I strictly do ZIPped download -- as such, I always try to turn off the hardware compression. With the Hayes Smartcom, I found it makes no difference in downloading speed whether the modem is going through Hayes ESP or a plain 8250-equipped built-in serial port. So from that fact, there are some heavy-duty overhead works going on with kermit which I cannot put my finger on. I found the unprefix all does not always work. With 50-50 chance, the transfer will be aborted after 1st packet received with "unprefix all". Right now I still use Z-modem and Y-modem G to download, but eventually I would like to change everything to kermit. I welcome any further comments and suggestions to get kermit working... ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 18:48:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!chi-news.cic.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!expert.cc.purdue.edu!jroesner From: jroesner@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffery Roesner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit problem Date: 5 Nov 1995 18:48:19 GMT Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: expert.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For some friends of mine, I got them the new version of Kermit for DOS, version 3.14. The server we connect to is running Solaris 2.4, and whenever they hit backspace, ^? appears on the screen. I tried to use the same fix for them as I used on my OS/2 C-Kermit, but for some reason it didn't work. My fix was putting set key \127 \8 in my .ini file. Any help on this is greatly appreciated, as I can't seem to figure the problem out. Regards Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 12:08:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 22:53:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 22:53:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit problem Message-Id: <1995Nov5.180828.65993@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Nov 95 18:08:28 MDT References: <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, jroesner@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffery Roesner) writes: > For some friends of mine, I got them the new version of Kermit for DOS, version 3.14. The server we connect to is running Solaris 2.4, and whenever they > hit backspace, ^? appears on the screen. I tried to use the same fix for them > as I used on my OS/2 C-Kermit, but for some reason it didn't work. My fix was > putting set key \127 \8 in my .ini file. > > Any help on this is greatly appreciated, as I can't seem to figure the problem > out. ---------- It helps to read the manual. Use command SET KEY, press the key of interest, type the new definition. The BackSpace key is not code \127; that's the DEL key. Note that Unix can be setup to use a variety of possible codes for backspace (move cursor left), destructive backspace (erase char), and process kill; see its stty command. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 03:56:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:28:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:28:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!explorer.csc.com!wb3ffv!mail!jspath From: "Jim Spath (Webmaster Jim)" Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Sender: usenet@abs.net Message-Id: X-Sender: jspath@mail In-Reply-To: <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com> X-Face: :-) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 03:56:59 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.bcpl.lib.md.us X-Url: http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~jspath/homeslice.html Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com> <47em7j$3bj@Mars.mcs.com> <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: ABSnet Internet Services, Inc. - info@abs.net - (410)-361-8160 X-Hack: Cough Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 5 Nov 1995, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > In article <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > >Anybody who wants to obtain Kermit software (other than Kermit 95) for > >their own use can just ftp it from Columbia or, if they are not on the > >net, they can order it from us. > OK, assume that someone out in the country has ... > (case 1) that they have only DOS (no windows) Give (not sell) them a diskette. That's how many of us got started. > (case 2) they have an "unbundled" unix distribution which doesn't > include a compiler and can't include kermit Give them a disk/tape/etc. with compiled kermit. Columbia has many binaries available (I got mine for SCO there). > case 3) they have a full unix distribution but no ftp access. Same as 2. > >Or they can go to a store and buy it > >(MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit 95). > Where would I look in Coshocton, Ohio? In a BOOK store. The Kermit software is with the book. > >Our problem is with companies that expectto be able to SELL... > > . We lose income that we otherwise would have received. > You lose that anyway, since anyone in their right mind will just throw > a shareware program on a disk and mail it out. And just what is > it that you lose, when you insist that everyone can ftp it for > free anyway? Some of us think Kermit is MUCH better than any other terminal program. > >service has a serious problem in the way it treats its customers, and you > >should be talking to them, not us -- especially if you are paying them > >money. > I'm saying that I can provide kermit at my end but I can't give it out > to the people who call my machines. The result is that everyone finds > their own software and so far I am unaware of anyone actually using > a Columbia kermit even though it would work fine and might be free to > them if the phase of the moon happened to be right. I just don't > quite understand how this is a good thing for any of us. I've been using Columbia Kermit for years. We give it to all our users. I have the UNIX version on all my hosts. All UNIX hosts I dial into have it. It's beyond good to be able to transfer files among all these machines, all the way up to the mainframes and down to my Apple //e. X-Face: $[):DI3,{Z,[[9Gb^H.yPU[6-J}^Co2e-J!p*jQ>Q8++K~?Ejg~3#,vmYi;O8E55~r~#wa2 WdUS{+X2e6mt${6._[/U%N~y"Br4L6Lm%S0XI8RRTs"'Dpz]#@hD@I`i@G[Q+'" cKd3Acq&}J;,FhT"6d1[H=*<;o2?Z_RK&He4+Td%v3:47/5;A>0mBqsG-KB8l:\43FGDe;U From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 07:09:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 06:31:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 06:31:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!xmission!cyberspam!usenet From: vac@indirect.com(Anne Schoofs) Newsgroups: alt.sports.basketball.nba.seattle-sonics,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 06 Nov 95 07:09:53 GMT Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Lines: 2 Sender: vac@indirect.com(Anne Schoofs) Approved: snowhare@netimages.com Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Cancelled-By: snowhare@netimages.com (Snowhare) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam Cancellation. For details see news.admin.net-abuse.announce From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 07:40:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:45:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:45:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!xmission!cyberspam!usenet From: vac@indirect.com(Anne Schoofs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.support.cancer.prostate Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 06 Nov 95 07:40:32 GMT Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Lines: 2 Sender: vac@indirect.com(Anne Schoofs) Approved: snowhare@netimages.com Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Cancelled-By: snowhare@netimages.com (Snowhare) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam Cancellation. For details see news.admin.net-abuse.announce From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 15:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:39:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:39:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:39:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-Id: <47la7e$2g8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Psychos 'R Us wrote: : : : ... : : : With MS-kermit... 3.14 patch 0 (21 May 1995) : You might want to try installing the patches - it might make a difference. : : : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps... : : Right now, with all the control characters unprefixed, the transfer is : exactly 1187cps at 14.4k -- which, in my opinion, little bit low. (: But : it was an improvement from 880cps. : Right on both counts. Kermit can do much better than 1187 cps. : For more FYI, I strictly do ZIPped download -- as such, I always try to : turn off the hardware compression. With the Hayes Smartcom, I found it : makes no difference in downloading speed whether the modem is going : through Hayes ESP or a plain 8250-equipped built-in serial port. : : So from that fact, there are some heavy-duty overhead going on with : kermit which I cannot put my finger on. : No, that's not it, because the same program can transfer data at much higher rates. Most people consistently get 1600+ bps downloading ZIP files on exactly the same type of connection, even using relatively low-end PCs, and MUCH higher rates than that on uncompressed files. There is something peculiar about your setup, and the most likely culprit is the ESP board. A second suspect would be the modem. Measurements done here indicate that turning off compression buys you next to nothing, but -- given the variation in modem quality -- probably introduces some risks. So if I were in your position I'd try a couple quick experiments: 1. Put the modem back to its default configuration (RTS/CTS, V.32bis, V.42, V.42bis) and see what difference that makes. Obviously, make sure Kermit is also set for RTS/CTS. 2. Hook your modem up to a regular serial port -- preferably a 16550A if you have one, and take the ESP board out of the loop. Most modern PCs have one or two serial ports on the motherboard and you probably had to go into SETUP to disable them in order to install your ESP. : I found the unprefix all does not : always work. With 50-50 chance, the transfer will be aborted after 1st : packet received with "unprefix all". : That means that there is at least one control character on your connection that is not safe to unprefix. Control-character unprefixing is intrinsically a tricky business. If it were safe to do it always, we'd set Kermit up to do it by default. You have to hunt down the offending control character(s) and prefix it/them. There are lots of hints about this in the KERMIT.UPD file on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 15:43:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:43:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:43:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup sometimes doesn't work Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <47laei$2oa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47g5jc$r8d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kathleen M. House wrote: : : ... set key \315 {\Kathangup} ; Assign ATHANGUP macro to the F1 key : : Does the key need to be remapped after Kermit is closed? (I know how to : do this, if its necessary) : No. Kermit's key mappings are strictly local to Kermit itself and have no effect outside Kermit, or after Kermit exits. They also have no effect at the Kermit prompt. They only are effective when Kermit is in CONNECT mode, i.e. when the terminal screen is active. : Thanks for the FAQs and the prompt and *polite* response. : You're welcome. And thank you for saying thanks :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 15:51:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:51:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:51:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control string from host Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:51:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <47latc$35r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47h6mb$pg8@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47h6mb$pg8@tst.hk.super.net>, Mr Patrick ShuPui Tam wrote: >Is there any means to have Kermit to recognize a control string that sent >from the host and then execute a dos batch ? In particular, the host run >a cash receipt program, then send out a control string. After kermit >capture this control string, it execute a small DOS batch program which >open the cash drawer. > Yes, there are numerous ways to do this. If Kermit is in CONNECT mode you can use the APC mechanism, documented in the KERMIT.UPD file on your MS-DOS Kermit diskette, or you can use the PRODUCT macro, which is documented in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". But since automated procedures like this are rarely in CONNECT mode, the real way to do it with a script program. The method for writing script programs is documented in detail in the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 15:53:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:53:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:53:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit problem Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:53:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47lb19$38e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Jeffery Roesner wrote: : For some friends of mine, I got them the new version of Kermit for DOS, : version 3.14. The server we connect to is running Solaris 2.4, and : whenever they hit backspace, ^? appears on the screen. I tried to use : the same fix for them as I used on my OS/2 C-Kermit, but for some reason : it didn't work. My fix was putting set key \127 \8 in my .ini file. : The scan code for the Backspace key in MS-DOS Kermit, as revealed by SHOW KEY and as listed in the manual, is \270, not \127. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 22:21:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:11:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:11:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 5 Nov 1995 16:21:05 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 26 Message-Id: <47jdch$jak@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Oct26.180344.1683@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct26.180344.1683@gems.vcu.edu>, Brainwave Surfer wrote: >> What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way >> into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people. > >Les, so has the sendmail program, the major loophole into unix that people >are STILL exploiting 10 years after the Morris internet worm... if the >send mail program had been single-sourced like kermit maybe it would >have been fixed... Beg your pardon? Every sendmail I've seen has had a single author, although the commercial vendors have twiddled their versions in ways that make it difficult to keep up to date. Sendmail almost certainly connects more sites with fewer problems than any other single program. Yes, it has had problems. They have been fixed quickly as they became known. >i'm glad i run another type system looking at >stuff like that. This is like riding a bicycle because plane crashes get all the publicity. You might do well to look at the miles/accident ratio. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com t giving us anything >back for it. Because when we allow that: > . We lose income that we otherwise would have received. You lose that anyway, since anyone in their right mind will just throw a shareware program on a disk and mail it out. And just what is it that you lose, when you insist that everyone can ftp it for free anyway? > . We get additional work because of tech-support calls. Tech support is unrelated to allowing redistribution. >That is: we do the work, the company gets the money, and in return we get >even more work. Does that strike you as a good model for a >self-supporting software development project? Yes - just charge for the support. The work to create the code doesn't increase just because more people use it. If someone else redistributes the code they will become the most likey contact for support anyway. Programs that are available to everyone become self-supporting since many people will know the answers to the common problems. >If you have a company that wants to benefit financially from distributing >our software to your customers, you very simply license the right to do so >from us. If you think that is unreasonable, that's your privilege. It is not unreasonable, but then there is nothing to distinguish your product from dozens of other commercial products, many of which can be distributed freely on a shareware basis. >On the other hand, if you are saying that you need to dial up or telnet to >a host or service that refuses to even FTP Kermit software, I think that >service has a serious problem in the way it treats its customers, and you >should be talking to them, not us -- especially if you are paying them >money. I'm saying that I can provide kermit at my end but I can't give it out to the people who call my machines. The result is that everyone finds their own software and so far I am unaware of anyone actually using a Columbia kermit even though it would work fine and might be free to them if the phase of the moon happened to be right. I just don't quite understand how this is a good thing for any of us. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 14:20:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:11:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:11:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Message-Id: <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Nov 95 20:20:02 MDT References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>Anybody who wants to obtain Kermit software (other than Kermit 95) for >>their own use can just ftp it from Columbia or, if they are not on the >>net, they can order it from us. > > I'm saying that I can provide kermit at my end but I can't give it out > to the people who call my machines. The result is that everyone finds > their own software and so far I am unaware of anyone actually using > a Columbia kermit even though it would work fine and might be free to > them if the phase of the moon happened to be right. I just don't > quite understand how this is a good thing for any of us. ----------- Here we go again. Les, I think I understand part of your position. To exagerate some it says not only should the software be free but it should be delivered on a silver platter. That's an overstatement, but not by a great deal. The part where you discuss not being able to give it to your paying customers is not quite correct, but close. You can give it to them if you arrange with Columbia financially. Because it (the Columbia Kermits) are being used by you to increase your revenues and not those of the creators (except when you are one of the creators). How do folks arrange commercial products? Delivery isn't automatic, the product isn't free, redistribution is often controlled by the originator, and it can't be obtained over the nets. If all Columbia Kermit material were, magically and hypothetically, to one day be available only at a price from standard distributors then would this discussion be occuring? Would folks be complaining bitterly about lack of free delivery? Nope. They'd say that was expected because that is what everyone else is doing. Yet when there is the least element of non- charge then it's camels nose time and the gimme complaints continue. As Frank has commented about once per month, we are experiencing a collision of galaxies: the old free mutual exchange and the new make money fast. Current customers expect commercial quality (and get more than that from us) and service (and we know that costs big bucks), no matter if the product is produced by volunteers or by paid programmers. Well, the money has to come from somewhere. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 08:12:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:08:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:08:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.eas.asu.edu!ukma!ukcc.uky.edu!JJSTEP00 From: JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu (Jason Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup on receive Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 13:12:59 EST Organization: The University of Kentucky Lines: 28 Message-Id: <1744EB9DFS86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> References: <174447818S86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: ukcc.uky.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Answering my question, In article <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au> arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > >Have you tried getting your modem to ignore DTR (&D0), and consulted with Mac >modem experts on settings, hardware-handshaking cables and the like? I solved this problem over the weekend. It involves turning off the "Teleport" INIT that came with my modem. Seems it does some strange things when the serial port opens. I still have other problems with downloading but have narrowed that down to bad phone lines and crappy modems on the other end of the connection. Seems the University has some 9600 baud modems on the verge of expiration. Z-Modem doesn't like downloading from other servers when I dial in to the same modem pool. Kermit doesn't work, either, for file transfers if I get a bad modem. Works great in terminal emulation, though. I do have one other comment to add concerning the internals of Mac-Kermit: I was downloading a 4 Meg file the other day (actually got a decent connection) and when I had about ten minutes of transfer left, my machine locked up. I diagnosed the problem to be memory related (stack running into the heap). This kind of thing happens when to many static variables collide with too many calls to malloc. The short term solution is to give MacKermit a huge (over 1 Meg) partition when you plan to download large files. The long term soution is to change the memory allocation scheme in the ckc*.c file[s] (don't remember which one) to work with the idiosyncracies of Macintosh memory management. But that would mean "more #ifdefs galore," to borrow a line from our fearless leader, FDC. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 00:47:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05109 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:45:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:45:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!umcc.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-server.eecs.umich.edu!huggins From: huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu (James K. Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 07 Nov 1995 00:47:45 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 53 Message-Id: References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu> <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: tarski.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: les@MCS.COM's message of 6 Nov 1995 14:49:39 -0600 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: In article <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Here we go again. Les, I think I understand part of your position. >To exagerate some it says not only should the software be free but it >should be delivered on a silver platter. That's an overstatement, but >not by a great deal. Try it this way: if software is going to claim to be free, distribution should not be restricted. The concept is bizarre. Nonsense. The price you pay for the product need not have anything to do with how you obtain it. >Would folks be complaining bitterly about >lack of free delivery? Nope. They'd say that was expected because that is >what everyone else is doing. Who else is taking contributed code and limiting acess to it? GNU (in an odd sort of way). As I understand the standard GNU copyleft, if you make a GNU product available for re-distribution, you must make all the source code available as well --- not just those portions you find interesting or helpful. This is an odd form of limiting access, but it is a limit: if you want to make it available, you must follow GNU's rules. Similarly with Kermit: if you want to make Kermit available, you must follow Kermit's rules. Why not split the products to follow your argument: allow free distribution of the original versions with contributed code and release new commercial versions to recoup the development cost of the flashy new stuff. Then you could treat everyone the same. But, I still think the non-free kermits should change their name unless I am wrong about the history of how the name was obtained. Frank da Cruz writes in "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" (if I recall correctly) that Kermit was named after the Muppet of the same name, chiefly because of his friendly and unassuming nature. At one time in history I believe the "official" story was that Kermit is translated "free" in Celtic, but that was in part an attempt to avoid the association with Henson Associates' rights to (the other) Kermit. Eventually the Henson people were asked for permission to acknowledge the true origins of the name, and they graciously agreed. Again, this is an old argument, which will probably not satisfy anyone here. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 9 09:27:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:38:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA04076 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:38:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge-news.cygnus.com!news3.near.net!yale!UConnVM.UConn.Edu!MAM94006 From: MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help 3.13 => 3.14 (MS-DOS Ver. & Keymapping) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 95 14:27:32 EST Organization: University of Connecticut Lines: 37 Message-Id: <17451CB54S86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.ucc.uconn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The following gives a partial file for key mappings I used in 3.13. However, since switching to 3.14, I have not been able to get my keys PF11 and above to work. Could someone please explain what the problem is. Thanks, Manuel ; Set PF1-PF12 as F1-F12 echo UCSETKEY.INI tailoring keyboard for UConn mainframe 3270 emulation ... SET KEY \315 \27\49 ; PF1 PF1 SET KEY \316 \27\50 ; PF2 PF2 SET KEY \317 \27\51 ; PF3 PF3 SET KEY \318 \27\52 ; PF4 PF4 SET KEY \319 \27\53 ; PF5 PF5 SET KEY \320 \27\54 ; PF6 PF6 SET KEY \321 \27\55 ; PF7 PF7 SET KEY \322 \27\56 ; PF8 PF8 SET KEY \323 \27\57 ; PF9 PF9 SET KEY \324 \27\48 ; PF10 PF10 SET KEY \1374 \27\45 ; PF11 Ctrl-F1 SET KEY \1375 \27\61 ; PF12 Ctrl-F2 SET KEY \389 \{27}- ; PF11 PF11 (Enhanced Keyboard) SET KEY \390 \{27}= ; PF12 PF12 (Enhanced Keyboard) ; ; Set PF13-PF24 as Shifted PF1-12 SET KEY \852 \27q ; PF13 Shift F1 SET KEY \853 \27w ; PF14 Shift F2 SET KEY \854 \27e ; PF15 Shift F3 SET KEY \855 \27r ; PF16 Shift F4 SET KEY \856 \27t ; PF17 Shift F5 SET KEY \857 \27y ; PF18 Shift F6 SET KEY \858 \27u ; PF19 Shift F7 SET KEY \859 \27i ; PF20 Shift F9 SET KEY \860 \27o ; PF21 Shift F9 SET KEY \861 \27p ; PF22 Shift F10 SET KEY \1376 \{27}_ ; PF23 Ctrl-F3 SET KEY \1377 \{27}] ; PF24 Ctrl-F4 SET KEY \903 \{27}_ ; PF23 Shift F11 (Enhanced Keyboard) SET KEY \904 \{27}] ; PF24 Shift F12 (Enhanced Keyboard) From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 02:20:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:07:16 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA09718 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:07:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is Error #47-8????? Message-Id: <1995Nov7.082033.66185@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Nov 95 08:20:33 MDT References: <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net>, kerber@idx.com writes: > Can someone tell me what would cause the error > "Error #47-8 Transfer cancelled by host." > > It occurs only in large files, not small ones. ---------- A little more context would help, such as which Kermits (operating system and version of the Kermits on each end) and an idea of under what circumstances it occurs. Picking up on your last sentence, perhaps the user does not have enough disk space available on the remote host. Sort of looks like an IBM mainframe situation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 16:36:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:22:41 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA10183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:22:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!news.cerf.net!news.titan.com!news.tcst.com!news.onramp.net!kerber From: kerber@onramp.net (Jeff Kerber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is Error #47-8????? Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 16:36:01 GMT Organization: On-Ramp; Individual Internet Connections; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Lines: 23 Message-Id: <47o1f0$oda@news.onramp.net> References: <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net> <1995Nov7.082033.66185@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kerber.idx.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov7.082033.66185@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: -->In article <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net>, kerber@idx.com writes: -->> Can someone tell me what would cause the error -->> "Error #47-8 Transfer cancelled by host." -->> -->> It occurs only in large files, not small ones. -->---------- --> A little more context would help, such as which Kermits (operating -->system and version of the Kermits on each end) and an idea of under what -->circumstances it occurs. --> Picking up on your last sentence, perhaps the user does not have -->enough disk space available on the remote host. Sort of looks like an IBM -->mainframe situation. --> Joe D. This transfer is going from a VAX (host) to a PC. There is no disk space problem on the PC... Thanks for any help you can give! Jeff Kerber Software Engineer I - IDX Systems Corp. (Dallas ESD) - kerber@idx.com OnRamp Technologies - Technical Support - kerber@onramp.net ***** RUNNING WINDOWS 95 ***** From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 12:07:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:55:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA12460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:55:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!panix!not-for-mail From: jbarrm@panix.com (Barry Masterson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit, Lynx & jumbled display Date: 8 Nov 1995 07:07:16 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 19 Message-Id: <47q6hk$mb7@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I'm running FreeBSD on a 486, kermit is my communication program to the outside world. When I connect to another unix system, everything works fine, except for lynx - the text based hypertext browser. The screen gets jumbled and is basically not very readable. I'm setting the TERM as vt100 on my dialup account. Does anyone here have any suggestions for using kermit to access lynx? Thanks Barry Masterson jbarrm@panix.com -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - FreeBSD 2.0.5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 22:10:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:48:46 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA17183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:48:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-bc!news.rmii.com!rainbow.rmii.com!not-for-mail From: andyr@rainbow.rmii.com (Andy Rabagliati) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Linux kermit grabs the mouse port Date: 7 Nov 1995 15:10:50 -0700 Organization: WZI Lines: 32 Message-Id: <47olha$e6o@rainbow.rmii.com> Reply-To: andyr@wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Nntp-Posting-Host: rainbow.rmii.com Keywords: linux mouse Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4084 comp.os.linux.misc:82950 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks, I have the latest version of kermit on Linux 1.3.37. I have used the binary distribution, and recompiled the source - which report C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Linux. When I run kermit from X, in an xterm session, and 'set line /dev/cua1', it works fine, but also grabs /dev/cua0, the mouse port, freezing my mouse. Quitting out of kermit restores everything. /dev/cua0 is not grabbed until I do the 'set line'. Worryingly, I can do 'set line /dev/cua0' with ease, and it talks mouse-speak. Why does X not set a lock in either /var/lock or /usr/spool/uucp (which kermit uses) to indicate its use of the mouse port ? If I create a binary lockfile pointing to process 1 (init) in /usr/spool/uucp, kermit reports (correctly) an error when attempting 'set line /dev/cua0'. However, the mouse still freezes when 'set line /dev/cua1'. Has anyone else seen this ? I use a Tport Twin co-processed serial card, but with the standard serial drivers, at the standard addresses and interrupts. I use kermit all the time .. Cheers, Andy! -- andyr@wizzy.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 13:06:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:00:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17376 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:00:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!sun4nl!wglas From: wglas@inter.nl.net (Wim Glas) Subject: Kermit slow on fast modem ? Message-Id: Organization: NLnet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:06:14 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit on our HP-UX system to transfer files on a PC with a 28k8 modem. The filetransfer still stays at ca. 230 chars/second which is the same as with a 2400 baud modem. The modem connects at 28k8 with compression, so this is not the problem. What could be the problem ? On the PC I use TELIX . Wim Glas (whg@ihe.nl) IHE-Delft. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 9 17:10:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:16:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17798 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:16:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dectecting winsock - How? Date: 9 Nov 95 17:10:03 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <1995Nov9.171003.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: big.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi out there in the info-pool Just a quickie here: I'm using kermit under windows and would like to detect whether Trumpet winsock is loaded, if it is, display some error message then exit Kermit. If it is not then Kermit can continues and makes its connection to the remote host. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. - Tony - From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 01:57:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:56:17 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA22895 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:56:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and Carriage returns Message-Id: <1995Nov10.075715.66492@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Nov 95 07:57:15 MDT References: <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca>, colwell@news (Lee Colwell) writes: > When I try to use MS-Kermit on a PC to log on to the UNIX > server at work, the enter key is always displayed as a ^M. > How do I correct this to get it to make enter behave normaly? ---------- Because the Enter key defaults to sending Carriage Control, Control-M. You can either fix the Unix machine to match or use Kermit command SET KEY to redefine the Enter key. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 02:00:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:57:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA22917 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:57:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and Carriage returns Message-Id: <1995Nov10.080047.66493@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Nov 95 08:00:47 MDT References: <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> <1995Nov10.075715.66492@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov10.075715.66492@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca>, colwell@news (Lee Colwell) writes: >> When I try to use MS-Kermit on a PC to log on to the UNIX >> server at work, the enter key is always displayed as a ^M. >> How do I correct this to get it to make enter behave normaly? > ---------- > Because the Enter key defaults to sending Carriage Control, > Control-M. You can either fix the Unix machine to match or use > Kermit command SET KEY to redefine the Enter key. > Joe D. ---- Make that Carriage Return rather than Carriage Control. I should not attempt typing before the sun rises in the morning. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 18:27:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:26:01 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA23463 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:25:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!robohen From: robohen@cs.pitt.edu (Henry Robertson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help Date: 7 Nov 1995 18:27:42 GMT Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 9 Message-Id: <47o8eu$8gh@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: speedy.cs.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I just got kermit 3.1.4. When I try to connect to a certain number, I get a bunch of garbage characters because either the baud rate or the parity bit or byte size is incorrect. So when I try to change this and reconnect, kermit keeps saying I should turn the modem on. It is on and disconnected. Any suggestions? E-mail replies appreciated since I don't read this newsgroup. Henry From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 11 08:09:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:48:59 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA23694 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:48:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Date: 11 Nov 1995 08:09:34 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 Message-Id: <481lnu$1jf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) writes: >I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi >(running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to >disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the >program. When I had to do this under AIX, I couldn't find a way to keep the operating system from cleaning up the port when the process ended. Instead I put Kermit into the background and removed the lock file. This worked, as long as I didn't reactivate Kermit while the other program was using the port. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 13:09:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:18 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA03582 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to disable kermit's key-strokes? Date: 8 Nov 95 13:09:39 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <1995Nov8.130939.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: big.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi out there is net-land, Simple quietion: is it possible to disable kermit's alt-h etc... key-strokes whilst in connect mode, as these key-strokes are part of kermit's software. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. - Tony - From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 9 15:54:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:20 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA03602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hoho.quake.net!usenet From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95: Setting terminal character-set in dialer? Date: 9 Nov 1995 15:54:17 GMT Organization: N/A Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47t879$46e@hoho.quake.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: l52.ip.quake.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to use latin1-iso. I'm able to set it OK from the command interface, and it seems to work just fine. However, I'd like to be able to set the terminal character-set from the dialer GUI interface. There's a Character set list-box on the Terminal tab in the dialer Edit dialog, but if I set it to latin1-iso, it is not saved, and it always seems to revert to transparent. Is there something else I need to do to get it to save and use this information? It seems to remember and use the other information on the Terminal tab OK. Mike From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 14:48:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:19 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA03592 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!simtel!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!leeds.ac.uk!news From: mip@mphd1.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Martin Plumb) Subject: Kermit script crashing Message-Id: Organization: University of Leeds Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:48:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have written a Kermit script which runs on a PC and automatically enters data into a database running on an IBM RS6000 computer. Everything works as I would expect until the end when the script tries to send the appropriate sequences to log off from the RS6000. At that point it puts ^O on the screen and apparently crashes. Further investigation revealed that it doesn't crash - instead, it comes out of the script and into connect mode where I seem to have to type CTRL N and before it will talk again. The root cause of the problem appears to be the sequence:- ESC [ 63 ; 1 " p which is sent by the RS6000. As far as we can establish, that is supposed to select a VT mode and perform a soft reset. I tried setting TERM to a non-Ansi type (eg VT52) just before the sequence was due to arrive but it didn't solve the problem. Incidentally, if I go through the whole procedure in connect mode, Kermit is quite happy! Does anyone have any ideas? Martin Plumb From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 19:54:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 08:22:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA13829 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 08:22:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dectecting winsock - How? Date: 10 Nov 1995 14:54:11 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 47 Sender: mike@knot.QueensU.CA Message-Id: <480al3$4hm@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <1995Nov9.171003.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs To: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk In article <1995Nov9.171003.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes: |> Hi out there in the info-pool |> |> Just a quickie here: |> I'm using kermit under windows and would like to detect |> whether Trumpet winsock is loaded, if it is, display some |> error message then exit Kermit. If it is not then Kermit |> can continues and makes its connection to the remote host. |> Any suggestions greatly appreciated. |> |> Thanks in advance. - Tony - |> I don't believe there is any way to detect that Winsock is running. However, if you *know* you are on an ethernet connection you can test for failure after your script executes "connect" and then issue a warning message asking if Winsock is implicated. That, at least, was how I did it here. Below are a couple macros defined in our local customizations. \m(qcon) is a local macro indicating the type of connection: ethernet, dial-in, or pacx. You'd have to replace that test with something of your own. The login script does a set port tcp and then connect if failure wswarn ; Emsg reports an error message with a beep and then sleeps 10 seconds ; to let Windows users read the message before exiting. def emsg - echo {\7\%1}, - if > argc 1 echo {}, - echo {...MS-Kermit will exit in 10 seconds or sooner if you press any key...}, - sleep 10, - exit ; wswarn warns that Kermit cannot be used on an ethernet connection if ; Winsock is running. On other connections wswarn is a no-op. def wswarn - if not eq \m(qcon) ethernet end, - echo {}, - echo {Warning: MS-Kermit could not establish a network connection. If you are in}, - emsg {Windows, make sure that Trumpet Winsock is *closed*, not just minimized.}, - end 1 -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 14:58:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:32:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA14703 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:32:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.tmr.com!news.tmr.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@glacial.tmr.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Linux kermit grabs the mouse port Date: 8 Nov 1995 09:58:31 -0500 Organization: TMR Associates, Schenectady NY Lines: 47 Message-Id: <47qgin$crf@glacial.tmr.com> References: <47olha$e6o@rainbow.rmii.com> Reply-To: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen) Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost.tmr.com Keywords: linux mouse Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4095 comp.os.linux.misc:83107 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47olha$e6o@rainbow.rmii.com>, Andy Rabagliati wrote: | When I run kermit from X, in an xterm session, and | 'set line /dev/cua1', it works fine, but also grabs /dev/cua0, the | mouse port, freezing my mouse. Quitting out of kermit restores | everything. /dev/cua0 is not grabbed until I do the 'set line'. I think you may have a Linux problem. I run Kermit 190 on a number of Linux and SCO machines, and other than having /dev/modem be an slink to the port so I can share scripts, I do the same thing. All my Linux machines are 1.2.13, the latest production release. There is always the possibility that you have a config error in Kermit, but it's unlikely, since Kermit just doesn't work with multiple lines. I don't suppose you've looked at the major and minor numbers with ls, and the port config with setserial? Are the com ports configured wrong? | Worryingly, I can do 'set line /dev/cua0' with ease, and it | talks mouse-speak. Why does X not set a lock in either | /var/lock or /usr/spool/uucp (which kermit uses) to | indicate its use of the mouse port ? That's not an error, it's a design decision. You could add the lock to your Xinitrc file if you find it needed. | If I create a binary lockfile pointing to process 1 (init) | in /usr/spool/uucp, kermit reports (correctly) an error | when attempting 'set line /dev/cua0'. However, the mouse | still freezes when 'set line /dev/cua1'. | | Has anyone else seen this ? Thankfully not! | I use a Tport Twin co-processed serial card, but with the | standard serial drivers, at the standard addresses and interrupts. | I use kermit all the time .. It's my comm program of choice, too. I really suspect either the driver or the hardware is configured wrong. Check the ports and ints with setserial. -- Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward. Bill Davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com) consultant/director TMR does UNIX and other systems stuff, some real time, network and system admin, security, C and other good stuff. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 02:10:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:59:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA18558 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:59:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit script crashing Message-Id: <1995Nov8.081043.66280@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 95 08:10:42 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mip@mphd1.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Martin Plumb) writes: > I have written a Kermit script which runs on a PC and automatically enters > data into a database running on an IBM RS6000 computer. > > Everything works as I would expect until the end when the script tries to > send the appropriate sequences to log off from the RS6000. At that point it > puts ^O on the screen and apparently crashes. > > Further investigation revealed that it doesn't crash - instead, it comes out > of the script and into connect mode where I seem to have to type CTRL N > and before it will talk again. > > The root cause of the problem appears to be the sequence:- > ESC [ 63 ; 1 " p > which is sent by the RS6000. As far as we can establish, that is supposed to > select a VT mode and perform a soft reset. Scripts do NOT run in Connect mode, the terminal emulator runs only in Connect mode. The above control sequence is passed to DOS by scripts and that is the agent becoming confused by it. ANSI.SYS does not qualify as even a poor VT100 emulator let alone a sophisticated VT320. Joe D. > I tried setting TERM to a non-Ansi type (eg VT52) just before the > sequence was due to arrive but it didn't solve the problem. > > Incidentally, if I go through the whole procedure in connect mode, Kermit is > quite happy! > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > Martin Plumb From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 18:39:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:25:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20242 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:25:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!bt!theseus.aom.bt.co.uk!stevef From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 8 Nov 1995 18:39:37 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 29 Message-Id: <47qth9$df6@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com> <1995Nov6.201305.66152@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.aom.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > In article <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > > In article <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu>, > > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>You can > >>give it to them if you arrange with Columbia financially. Because it > >>(the Columbia Kermits) are being used by you to increase your revenues > >>and not those of the creators (except when you are one of the creators). > > > > It is pretty much irrelevant to my revenues what product they use on > > the other end. I'd just like to be helpful. And it is annoying that > > I can't help them get kermit unless they don't need it. If financial > > arrangements are necessary they might as well use another product. The > > only real reason I have for wanting kermit on the other end is that > > I could give out scripts to do what people normally want to do. Given the intention to supply scripts etc, and given that one of the arguments against free re-distribution is the support cost bourne by Columbia, would a reasonable approach be for Les to agree to support the people to whom he supplies kermit rather than have them call columbia? -- Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 16:43:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:54:19 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA26966 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:54:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Finding COM ports status BEFORE using Date: 8 Nov 95 16:43:37 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <1995Nov8.164337.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: big.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there out there in Net-Info-land I would like to use kermit under windows v3.1, I also have Trumpet winsock installed. Is there any way to get the two to work together or, another way to use Kermit under the windows environment. Also, I know kermit can set and check the status of the COM ports (COM1 to COM4 is UART or not) using the SET BIOS COM2 command for example. But is there a way of checking that the com port kermit will use is not in use by any other device or application before kermit is invoked? Please email me any suggertions or examples of how to overcome these obsticles. Thanks in advance... - Tony - From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 07:09:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Nov 1995 01:15:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA02631 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 01:15:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!xmission!cyberspam!usenet From: vac@indirect.com (Anne Schoofs) Newsgroups: alt.sports.basketball.nba.seattle-sonics,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 06 Nov 95 07:09:53 GMT Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Lines: 2 Sender: vac@indirect.com (Anne Schoofs) Approved: snowhare@netimages.com Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Cancelled-By: snowhare@netimages.com (Snowhare) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam Cancellation. For details see news.admin.net-abuse.announce From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 15:55:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:53:01 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00853 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:52:58 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!scisun!deng From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) Subject: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Message-Id: Organization: City College Of New York - Science Division Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:55:52 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi (running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the program. On a HP workstaion, the command "ct" has the following option which does the trick: -h Prevent ct from disconnecting ("hanging up") the current tty line. This option is necessary if the user is using a different tty line than the one used by ct to spawn the getty. Howerver, that command is not available on sgi and "cu" will disconnect the line when exit, so does "kermit" under default settings. Is there an option in kermit similar to the -h option for ct? From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 02:15:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Nov 1995 17:37:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA06041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 17:37:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help 3.13 => 3.14 (MS-DOS Ver. & Keymapping) Message-Id: <1995Nov10.081501.66494@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Nov 95 08:15:00 MDT References: <17451CB54S86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17451CB54S86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>, MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) writes: > The following gives a partial file for key mappings I used in 3.13. However, > since switching to 3.14, I have not been able to get my keys PF11 and above > to work. Could someone please explain what the problem is. What might you mean by "not work?" The key definitions are syntactically correct. You can see them by Kermit command SHOW KEY. Joe D. > Thanks, > Manuel > ; Set PF1-PF12 as F1-F12 > echo UCSETKEY.INI tailoring keyboard for UConn mainframe 3270 emulation ... > SET KEY \315 \27\49 ; PF1 PF1 > SET KEY \316 \27\50 ; PF2 PF2 > SET KEY \317 \27\51 ; PF3 PF3 > SET KEY \318 \27\52 ; PF4 PF4 > SET KEY \319 \27\53 ; PF5 PF5 > SET KEY \320 \27\54 ; PF6 PF6 > SET KEY \321 \27\55 ; PF7 PF7 > SET KEY \322 \27\56 ; PF8 PF8 > SET KEY \323 \27\57 ; PF9 PF9 > SET KEY \324 \27\48 ; PF10 PF10 > SET KEY \1374 \27\45 ; PF11 Ctrl-F1 > SET KEY \1375 \27\61 ; PF12 Ctrl-F2 > SET KEY \389 \{27}- ; PF11 PF11 (Enhanced Keyboard) > SET KEY \390 \{27}= ; PF12 PF12 (Enhanced Keyboard) > ; > ; Set PF13-PF24 as Shifted PF1-12 > SET KEY \852 \27q ; PF13 Shift F1 > SET KEY \853 \27w ; PF14 Shift F2 > SET KEY \854 \27e ; PF15 Shift F3 > SET KEY \855 \27r ; PF16 Shift F4 > SET KEY \856 \27t ; PF17 Shift F5 > SET KEY \857 \27y ; PF18 Shift F6 > SET KEY \858 \27u ; PF19 Shift F7 > SET KEY \859 \27i ; PF20 Shift F9 > SET KEY \860 \27o ; PF21 Shift F9 > SET KEY \861 \27p ; PF22 Shift F10 > SET KEY \1376 \{27}_ ; PF23 Ctrl-F3 > SET KEY \1377 \{27}] ; PF24 Ctrl-F4 > SET KEY \903 \{27}_ ; PF23 Shift F11 (Enhanced Keyboard) > SET KEY \904 \{27}] ; PF24 Shift F12 (Enhanced Keyboard) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 19:25:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:25:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA18729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:25:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:25:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <48863r$i96@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47o8eu$8gh@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47o8eu$8gh@toads.pgh.pa.us>, Henry Robertson wrote: >Hi, I just got kermit 3.1.4. When I try to connect to a certain number, > You mean it only happens with this number but not with others? >I get a bunch of garbage characters because either the baud rate or the >parity bit or byte size is incorrect. So when I try to change this and >reconnect, kermit keeps saying I should turn the modem on. It is on and >disconnected. Any suggestions? > So it sounds like you are using one of the MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts. Which one? If you are using a relatively modern high-speed modem, for example a USR Sportster, then if you choose the appropriate script (for example, by giving the command "set modem sport" or putting this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file), then it will lock your modem's interface speed and Kermit's speed to match, and that way you shouldn't get any speed mismatches. Some of our older scripts used to look and see if the modem was asserting the Data Set Reader (DSR) and/or Clear To Send (CTS) signal(s) prior to dialing, and if not, would assume that you had forgotten to turn on your modem. However, since some modems do not assert these signals (despite well-known standards that say they should) even when they ARE turned on, this would result in the aforementioned message. I'm pretty sure we removed all of these checks from the 3.14 scripts, but if the script you are using has this check and message in it, you can simply edit it out. Much more about this topic in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", in the online files KERMIT.BWR, KERMIT.UPD, etc, and in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 19:29:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:29:36 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA18787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:29:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit slow on fast modem ? Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:29:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4886as$ib0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Wim Glas wrote: >I am using kermit on our HP-UX system to transfer files on a PC with a >28k8 modem. The filetransfer still stays at ca. 230 chars/second which is >the same as with a 2400 baud modem. The modem connects at 28k8 with >compression, so this is not the problem. >What could be the problem ? On the PC I use TELIX . > HP-UX versions prior to 10.00 generally have a very old version of Kermit that lacks most of the modern performance improvements. Telix has a very poor implementation of Kermit. If you use C-Kermit 5A(190) on HP-UX and MS-DOS Kermit instead of Telix on the PC, you achieve the high transfer rates you expect. More information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and, in particular (about Telix): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn5.html#perf - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 19:33:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:33:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA18876 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:33:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable kermit's key-strokes? Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:33:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <4886hg$ido@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Nov8.130939.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov8.130939.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, wrote: >Simple question: is it possible to disable kermit's alt-h etc... >key-strokes whilst in connect mode, as these key-strokes are >part of kermit's software. > Yes. As explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", you can map any keys to send any character, any string, or to perform any "keyboard verb", or to execute any user-defined macro, or any combination of these, or to do nothing at all. If, for example, you want Alt-h to do nothing at all: set key \2339 \Kignore \2339 is the scan code of Alt-h, as shown by SHOW KEY and as listed in the Scan Code table in the manual. \Kignore is the keyboard verb whose action is "ignore this keystroke". Same deal for all other keys and key combinations. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 19:40:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:41:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA19051 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:41:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: Setting terminal character-set in dialer? Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:40:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <488707$ij4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47t879$46e@hoho.quake.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47t879$46e@hoho.quake.net>, Mike Berg wrote: : I'd like to use latin1-iso. I'm able to set it OK from the command : interface, and it seems to work just fine. : : However, I'd like to be able to set the terminal character-set from the : dialer GUI interface. There's a Character set list-box on the Terminal : tab in the dialer Edit dialog, but if I set it to latin1-iso, it is not : saved, and it always seems to revert to transparent. Is there something : else I need to do to get it to save and use this information? It seems : to remember and use the other information on the Terminal tab OK. : This seems to be a bug, having to do with whether the character-set name has a dash in it. It should be fixed in the second patch, which will be available soon. The workaround, in the meantime, is to put "set terminal character-set latin1" in your K95CUSTOM.INI file (assuming you want to use Latin-1 all the time). If you only want to use it when connecting to certain hosts, but not others, there are other tricks you can do. Send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu if you want to go into that. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 20:10:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:10:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA19745 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:10:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Date: 13 Nov 1995 20:10:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-Id: <4888ns$j8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hua Deng wrote: : I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi : (running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to : disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the : program. : : On a HP workstaion, the command "ct" has the following option which : does the trick: : : -h Prevent ct from disconnecting ("hanging up") the : current tty line. This option is necessary if the : user is using a different tty line than the one : used by ct to spawn the getty. : : Howerver, that command is not available on sgi and "cu" will disconnect : the line when exit, so does "kermit" under default settings. : Is there an option in kermit similar to the -h option for ct? : This is a specific instance of a Frequently Asked Question, namely "How Can I Exit from C-Kermit without Hanging up?" This is just been added to our faq: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Here's the text: Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX C-Kermit, but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit made. They quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the connection is gone before they can start the other application. It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX. Closing a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up. There is nothing the process can do about it. However, many workarounds are possible. Here are just a few: . Read about the REDIRECT command in the ckcker.upd file. . Find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g. through shell redirection or a command line option (the method depends on the other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc). . After Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the filename of the lock file. Then suspend Kermit, then delete the lock file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty device. (End quote) However, if all you want to do is dial up another computer that will dial you back, there are easier ways to do it -- just write a Kermit script that makes the call, performs the dialog with the callback system, and then hangs up, and then waits to be called back. The test version of C-Kermit, 5A(192), which you can find on kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit/test tree, has a new ANSWER command to make the second part easy. Without it, however, it's still pretty easy -- after hanging up, "output ats0=1\13" to the modem and then wait for CONNECT (assuming the modem is Hayes compatible). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 04:15:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:32:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA28071 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:32:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cirrus.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!hustle.rahul.net!itz From: itz@rahul.net (Ian T Zimmerman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: protect modem under C-Kermit? Date: 13 Nov 1995 04:15:37 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 35 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: kronstadt.rahul.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. This may be a FAQ, but it isn't in the C-Kermit manual which I read cover to cover. I am looking for a U*x communication program which is both secure and flexible. This means: secure - non-root users can't under any circumstances enter the modem command mode. flexible - all users can specify their own phone book files, line setup options (baud, data/parity/stop, etc.) and scripts to execute once online. But, they must _not_ be permitted to specify their own modem initialization strings. It seems to me that every modem comm program in existence is either fascist - ie. secure and inflexible. Examples: cu, tip. Or libertarian - ie. flexible and insecure. Examples: minicom, and, unfortunately, C-kermit. That's because 1/ the "connect" command can be entered at any time, even before the modem has a carrier. Then users can talk directly to the modem and reprogram it to their hearts' content. 2/ Users can execute "set dial init-string", thus setting modem options indirectly. A special case of this is that they can reenable the modem escape sequence (`+++') if it has been disabled, then use it to get back to command mode at an arbitrary time. I would very much like to get around this problem in C-Kermit , because otherwise I like it a lot, for its flexibility and simplicity. Anybody there knows how to do this (preferably without hacking C code) ? -- Ian T Zimmerman +-------------------------------------------+ P.O. Box 13445 I With so many executioners available, I Berkeley, California 94712 I suicide is a really foolish thing to do. I USA +-------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 22:57:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:51:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA28430 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:51:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!wave.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!theseus.aom.bt.co.uk!stevef From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Flow control xon/xoff <-> RTS/CTS? Date: 13 Nov 1995 22:57:43 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 25 Message-Id: <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.aom.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have a modem link, using modems with NMP5 which therefore implement flow control between the modem and the computer. At one end, the flow control mechanism is RTS/CTS and at the other end the flow control mechanism is Xon/Xoff. With this setup, file transfers sometimes get hung, and whenever this occurs, if I ^C from the file transfer, connected to the other end, and send an XON character I get a large number of queued packets in response. Never having had this problem when using Xon/Xoff at both ends I assume that kermit includes sending an Xon to the modem as part of it's timeout recovery mechanism in case the modem received an Xoff which kermit didn't send it, but doesn't do that if flow is set to RTS/CTS. Question: is there any detrimental effect to be had from trying the Xon heuristic in RTS/CTS mode? -- Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 21:29:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:15:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA29005 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:15:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!voyager.cris.com!Pknoone From: Pknoone@cris.com (Peter Noone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!! Date: 13 Nov 1995 21:29:43 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-Id: <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: voyager-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5 running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted in single user mode. I recovered from this incident but am a little wary of running kermit again. Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of? thanks in advance Peter Noone pknoone@cris.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 01:45:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 02:37:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA05757 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 02:37:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.erinet.com!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.concourse.com!usenet From: "Mark T. Regan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 20:45:41 -0500 (EST) Organization: Internet Concourse Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.coil.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control key doesn't produce any scan code. My PC is an IBM P70 (8573-121), running WARP CONNECT. Thanks. ===================================================================== Mark T. Regan Internet: reganm@coil.com Network Specialist City: Reynoldsburg CTO1 USNR-R (1969-1991) State: Ohio From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 00:29:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 03:21:23 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA06432 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 03:21:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!world!indra.com!coopnews.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!news.vf.mmc.com!eng112!tcmayo From: tcmayo%eng112@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Tom Mayo N1RMU) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ethernet / Kermit Date: 14 Nov 1995 00:29:50 GMT Organization: Lockheed Martin Corp, Valley Forge PA Lines: 140 Message-Id: <488ntu$or1@morgan.vf.mmc.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: eng112.psf.ge.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:21361 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4110 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello- I am trying to add a low-tech node to my home LAN. My downstairs neighbor and I already run two Linux boxes on our Ethernet with no problems. I want to add my 286 to the network. It has a 3COM 3C503 and I have installed the Crynwr packet driver for this card with cmd line 3c503 0x78. It seems to work ok with TELNETD, but what I would like is to run Kermit so I can connect to the other nodes. Our little network is 10.0.0.0 with fang at 10.0.0.1 and tuning at 10.0.0.2. Communication between fang and tuning is superfine. The 286 is cheesebox at 10.0.0.3. I am using the MSCUSTOM.INI file at the end of the message on cheesebox. The problem is that I get the following message when I try to connect from cheesebox at the Kermit prompt: resolving addres of host 10.0.0.1... unable to ARP resolve 10.0.0.1 unable to contact the host the host may be down or a gateway may be needed ?cannot start the connection When I run pkttraf (came with Crynwr) I see the Ethernet addresses of both fang and cheesebox as I do a ping or traceroute from fang, but when I run Kermit, it just sits there not echoing the ping or acking that it exists at all. PLEASE HELP! Here is my MSCUSTOM.INI: GOTO GO ; FILE MSCUSTOM.INI ; ; SAMPLE individual customization file for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. ; Make any desired changes, and then store this file in the same directory ; as your MSKERMIT.INI initialization file. ; ; Author: Christine M. Gianone, Sep 1992 ; Revised: Jun 1993 for version 3.13 ; Revised: Jan 1995 for version 3.14 ; :GO if < \v(version) 314 - stop 1 - This MSCUSTOM.INI file may be used only with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later. echo Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, \v(cmdfile)... echo Please edit this file to suit your needs and preferences. COMMENT - Autodownload and autoupload are disabled by default, see KERMIT.UPD. ; check term if fail forward XFER ec ec Auto-upload and -download disabled. ec Use SET TERMINAL APC ON to enable. ec ; set terminal apc on ; Uncomment to enable this feature. :XFER COMMENT - Sample file transfer preferences. ; set block 3 ; 16-bit CRC for strong error checking. set window 4 ; 4 Window slots. set receive packet-length 2000 ; Packet length is governed by receiver. set control prefix all ; Prefix all control characters. ; Macros for transferring files in text and binary mode... ; define bsend binary, send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in binary mode define tsend text, send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in text mode define bget binary, get \%1 ; GET in binary mode define tget text, get \%1 ; GET in text mode COMMENT - TCP/IP network configuration. ; check tcp if fail forward notcp ; If your site has a BOOTP server and your PC is registered in it, the only ; command you need here is the following SET TCP/IP ADDRESS BOOTP command. ; You will also need the SET TCP/IP DOMAIN command if your BOOTP server is ; not at RFC1395 level and/or does not provide your PC's hostname (substitute ; your PC's real hostname for FOO.BAR.EDU). ; ; set tcp address BOOTP ; BOOTP will tell me my IP address ; SET TCP/IP DOMAIN MAYO.ORG ; My network's domain name ; Otherwise, to use TCP/IP connections, replace the dummy values below with ; appropriate values for your network (DON'T MAKE THEM UP! - consult your ; network manager) and uncomment the SET TCP/IP commands. ; SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 10.0.0.3 ; My PC's numeric IP address SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK 255.255.255.0 ; My physical network's subnet mask SET TCP/IP DOMAIN MAYO.ORG ; My PC's fully qualified domain name ; SET TCP/IP GATEWAY 123.123.123.1 ; My network gateway's IP address ; SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.2 ; Primary nameserver's address ; SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.3 ; fallback nameserver address SET TCP/IP BROADCAST 255.255.255.255 ; My network's broadcast address ; Sample macro that shows how to use the session manager to access ; a particular host, called MYHOST. Make one of these for each host you ; commonly access. The first time you type "myhost" you'll get a new ; connection (and a session number), and subsequent times, the same session ; will be continued. This allows for easy session-switching from the ; MS-Kermit> prompt. You can also use Alt-n (\KnextSession) to toggle among ; sessions while in CONNECT mode. The TELNET macro is defined in MSKERMIT.INI. ; define myhost - telnet myhost 23 vt320,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) :NOTCP ; ; Add your own macro definitions, key settings, color selections, etc, here, ; for example: ; set modem hayes ; Change this to your modem type, see MODEMS\READ.ME. ; set printer nul ; Uncomment this if you do NOT have a printer. set port 1 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. set speed 9600 ; Change if desired. set flow xon/xoff ; Change to RTS/CTS if modem is configured for this. check term if fail end 0 set term type vt100 ; Change this if desired. set term bytesize 8 ; Change to 8 if desired. ;set term color 0 34 47 ; Terminal screen fore- and background colors. ;set term under 0 33 47 ; Underscore simulation colors. ; take \v(inidir)keyboard\vt300.ini ; Uncomment for full VT320 key mappings. ; (End of MSCUSTOM.INI) Thank you for reading this. -- Tom Mayo E-MAIL: WORK: tcmayo@mntr02.psf.ge.com HOME: mayo@adams.berk.net N1RMU PACKET: N1RMU @ WA2UMX.#ENY.NY.US.NA .. ._.. .. _._ . _._. .__ For PGP public key, e-mail me at work with subject send_pgp_key. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 07:30:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 04:03:54 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA07258 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 04:03:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-bc!news.rmii.com!rainbow.rmii.com!not-for-mail From: andyr@rainbow.rmii.com (Andy Rabagliati) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: settings Date: 14 Nov 1995 00:30:48 -0700 Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet, Inc Lines: 32 Message-Id: <489gj8$s60@rainbow.rmii.com> References: <488pbm$13n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: rainbow.rmii.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488pbm$13n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk>, Ivan Danicic wrote: >Hello, I'm terribly ignorant so here is a stupid question: to download >a file from my local host to my home PC (which operation is terribly slow now) >which Kermit settings should I try to change? Receiver or sender? In the days before the transfer command was ftp, kermit was born. You could, and can, set capabilities separately on each end. It made sense then to set the required capabilities at the end you were changing .. However, I think the new kermits inform each other of such changes now, and they do the Right Thing. I hate text mode. It gets in the way. That's one of the reasons I like ncftp - you know its binary by default. Or, you could just try it .. kermit informs you of the transfer mode. Cheers, Andy! -- The birds have vanished into the sky, Andy Rabagliati andyr@wizzy.com and now the last cloud drains away. W.Z.I. Consulting We sit together, the mountain and me, http://www.wizzy.com/andyr/ until only the mountain remains. -- Li Po (701-762) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 20:16:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 06:55:59 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA26425 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 06:55:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!gatech2!news.sprintlink.net!netaxis.com!NewsWatcher!user From: maba@manning.com (Marjan Bace) Newsgroups: alt.winsock,comp.dcom.modems,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.winsock.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 News Release Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:16:09 -0500 Organization: Manning Publications Co. Lines: 183 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: maba.netaxis.com Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.winsock:73313 comp.dcom.modems:116843 comp.os.ms-windows.apps:1042 comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:10510 comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc:14165 comp.os.ms-windows.apps.winsock.misc:1748 comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip:21330 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:95937 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:52661 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup:27176 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4112 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ===================== Contact: Lee Fitzpatrick Manning Software Inc. +1 (203) 629 2078 (Voice) +1 (203) 661 9018 (Fax) lee@manning.com KERMIT 95 Communications Software for Windows 95 A new product by the team that developed the Kermit protocol and the world-renowned Kermit communications products. Early users' praise: "The first thing I did was to verify that I could achieve the fast file transfer on a dialed connection that I was used to ... did it ... 3240 cps @28800 BAUD for uncompressible data (I don't often get that out of ZMODEM). Having done that, I got rid of Hyperterminal. Then I verified that it would Telnet using the Win95 Winsock and SLIP or PPP ... it did (excellent terminal emulation) ... then I got rid of QVT." -- Vincent Fatica Syracuse University "I've used MS-DOS Kermit for years and now that I am running Windows NT, I am overjoyed to have Kermit 95 running under it. I am a frequent user of EMACS over a dialup line and Kermit gives me far more control over reprogramming individual keys than any other terminal emulator I have seen, either freeware or commercial." -- Tom Horsley Harris Computers Greenwich, CT, November 13, 1995 -- Manning Software and Columbia University's Kermit Project announced today the release of a new product: the Kermit 95 communications package for Microsoft Windows 95. Dubbed K-95, it is a fast and friendly, fully native, 32-bit communications software package for both serial and TCP/IP communication. With a projected street price of $54 and very little competition, K-95 is positioned for aggressive market penetration. "The number of people needing communications software is growing rapidly, and we expect K-95 to become a major player in the Windows 95 segment of the marketplace," said Marjan Bace, President of Manning Software. "The numbers of people working from their homes is growing exponentially. The estimates for those currently using BBSs range from 30 to 50 million. A new trend is BBS access over the Internet--suddenly, BBSs are turning themselves into global resources by joining the net," he added. "The work-at-home crowd will use K-95 and its scriptable operation to log onto their corporate network either by a direct call or by connecting through a data network like SprintNet or Tymnet," Mr Bace said. Because of the key role of online communications in today's world, the entire Windows 95 marketplace is also the Kermit 95 marketplace. K-95 is the perfect Telnet client for Netscape, Internet Explorer, and other popular Web browsers. Used in this way K-95 "gives you important benefits: you can transfer files while in your telnet session; you have more and better terminal emulations to choose from; and you have colors, scrollback, key mapping, and local printing," he added. The just-released version 1.1 comes in two parts: a full-GUI Dialer and a console-mode Kermit engine. For most common uses of the system users will deal solely with the Dialer. It is replete with menus, pushbuttons, dialog boxes, notebooks, etc. "Under the hood is the most intensely tested and improved communications engine ever," Mr. Bace said. The K-95 engine itself is accessed through a traditional non-GUI command/terminal screen. Fully GUI'ized access to K-95 is in development and registered buyers of the current version 1.1 will receive a free upgrade to the fully GUI version planned for early 1996. Announced in September on the Internet, K-95 has already logged hundreds of orders and numerous bulk licenses are in negotiation. "The Columbia Kermit Web site had an average weekly hit-rate of 10,000. This has doubled to 20,000 per week in response to the announcement of Kermit 95," said Christine Gianone, Manager of the Kermit Project. "In the Windows 95 newsgroups on the net, people are clamoring for full-function, native Windows 95 communications software that actually works," she added. Frank da Cruz, the leader of the Kermit development team and an internationally known communications expert, has compared the operation of K-95 to the alternatives that are currently available -- Microsoft's built-in Hyperterminal and Telnet applets and Mustang Software's QModemPro -- and has posted the results in tables on the Columbia University Kermit Website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html He concludes that Hyperterminal provides substantially lesser capabilities, while there is great deal of operational overlap between QModemPro and K-95. The strengths of Kermit appear to be in providing robust, reliable operation in diverse application situations, while QModemPro's strengths are its support of fancier BBS features like RIP scripts, doorway mode, and a 100% GUI interface. Mr. da Cruz has invited comparisons and postings on the Internet by others. QModemPro is expected to have a street price of approximately $99. According to Mr. Bace the "popularity of the traditional versions of Kermit--known to be of high quality--will be the wedge we will use to open the marketplace for this commercial product." Previous versions of Kermit software have been bundled with the products of major computer, networking, and software vendors. They are in use in thousands of companies the world over, at practically every university in the world, and throughout the US and other governments. Kermit lies at the heart of many high-profile mission-critical communication applications, from the recent Brazilian national elections to the UN relief efforts in Bosnia. And, the Kermit support team has gained a reputation for excellent support -- voice, e-mail, newsgroup, BBS, etc, and is known for its rapid response to trouble reports. The following Sales Sheet details Kermit 95 features, operational capabilities, tech support, pricing, and ordering information. To receive more information please contact Lee Fitzpatrick at Manning Software. KERMIT 95 SALES SHEET ===================== Features K-95 features a graphical Dialer; a directory preloaded with hundreds of dialup and network connections; fast screen updates; full color selection; the same high-quality VT100/VT200/VT300 and ANSI terminal emulation that the Kermit Project is famous for; virtually unlimited and instantaneous screen rollback; flexible key mapping; full support for all VT100/200/300 keys; integrated mouse functions like copy-and-paste, cursor steering; screen height and width selection; character-set conversion; versatile printer control; pop-up context-sensitive help, debugging, etc. Operation K-95 operation supports: The leading file transfer protocols (X/Y/ZMODEM, ASCII, and K-95's Kermit protocol is, of course, the fastest and most advanced implementation of the Kermit protocol available anywhere), incorporating: sliding windows; long packets; control-character unprefixing; locking shifts; character-set translation; an update feature; file transfer recovery; automatic file transfer initiation; and much more; Windows 95 long filenames; background as well as foreground file transfers; management of multiple sessions through the graphical Dialer; an intelligent phone-list that understands the difference between international, long-distance, local, toll-free, and internal PBX calls, and adjusts itself according to your location and allows multiple phone numbers for a single service, and can be told how many times and how frequently to redial if the connection is not made; script programming (using the same portable Kermit script language that is already in widespread use on hundreds of other platforms) which, when used in combination with the Windows 95 System Agent, allows for automatically scheduled unattended communications tasks; Support The software comes with a 100-page user manual plus a 500-page technical reference manual. A dedicated newsgroup and a tech-support BBS are available for discussion and patch distribution. Voice support is available at $2.50 per minute via a 900 hotline. Kermit 95 will be aggressively supported with patches, updates, information bulletins, and a Kermit magazine all of which are free of charge to registered users. Pricing Unit price: $54.00 plus shipping. Quantity discounts, academic site licenses, and bulk right-to-copy licenses are available. For further information, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html To order, contact: Lee Fitzpatrick Manning Software Inc. lee@manning.com Marjan ________________________ Marjan Bace, Ph D Publisher and Partner Manning Publications Co. 203 629 2028 fax: 203 661 9018 ________________________ From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 13:48:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:48:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:48:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Date: 14 Nov 1995 13:48:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <48a6nq$rgk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark T. Regan wrote: : Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, : and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use : Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control : key doesn't produce any scan code. : There is no way to map modifier keys (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Caps Lock) by themselves. In general, if you can't get a scan code with SHOW KEY, you can't map the key. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 03:57:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:51:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28242 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:50:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech2!news.sprintlink.net!news.cirrus.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!hustle.rahul.net!itz From: itz@rahul.net (Ian T Zimmerman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Date: 13 Nov 1995 03:57:45 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 29 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: kronstadt.rahul.net In-Reply-To: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu's message of Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:55:52 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) writes: > > I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi > (running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to > disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the > program. > On a HP workstaion, the command "ct" has the following option which > does the trick: > > -h Prevent ct from disconnecting ("hanging up") the > current tty line. This option is necessary if the > user is using a different tty line than the one > used by ct to spawn the getty. > > Howerver, that command is not available on sgi and "cu" will disconnect > the line when exit, so does "kermit" under default settings. > Is there an option in kermit similar to the -h option for ct? AFAIK there's no way to do that in software with Kermit; however, most modems can do it in hardware: don't drop carrier when DTR is toggled, that is. So just add the appropriate magic AT command into what you specify after "set dial init-string". I think AT&D0 will work with most Hayes type modems. -- Ian T Zimmerman +-------------------------------------------+ P.O. Box 13445 I With so many executioners available, I Berkeley, California 94712 I suicide is a really foolish thing to do. I USA +-------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 14:00:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:00:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA28426 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:00:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: protect modem under C-Kermit? Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:00:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <48a7df$ro3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ian T Zimmerman wrote: : Hi. This may be a FAQ... : No, this is a new one. : ... but it isn't in the C-Kermit manual which I : read cover to cover. I am looking for a U*x communication program : which is both secure and flexible. This means: : : secure - non-root users can't under any circumstances enter the modem : command mode. : : flexible - all users can specify their own phone book files, line : setup options (baud, data/parity/stop, etc.) and scripts to execute : once online. But, they must _not_ be permitted to specify their own : modem initialization strings. : : It seems to me that every modem comm program in existence is either : fascist - ie. secure and inflexible. Examples: cu, tip. Or : libertarian - ie. flexible and insecure. Examples: minicom, and, : unfortunately, C-kermit. : That's because : 1/ the "connect" command can be entered at any time, even before : the modem has a carrier. Then users can talk directly to the modem and : reprogram it to their hearts' content. : 2/ Users can execute "set dial init-string", thus setting modem : options indirectly. A special case of this is that they can reenable : the modem escape sequence (`+++') if it has been disabled, then use it : to get back to command mode at an arbitrary time. : : I would very much like to get around this problem in C-Kermit , : because otherwise I like it a lot, for its flexibility and : simplicity. Anybody there knows how to do this (preferably without : hacking C code) ? : I would not consider this a problem. What you view as insecurity are essential features for most people. Sometimes it's better to state the problem you are actually trying to solve, rather than to propose a solution in a vacuum. Let me take a wild guess -- you have some kind of dialout modem pool, and you don't want users to be able to mess up a modem so that subsequent users can't use it (or worse). This is a common problem, but the place to solve it is not in the software. Even if it were solved in the software and you had a "secure" version of Kermit, any user could simply ftp an "insecure" version and defeat your security (this is an oversimplification in the interest of brevity). The place to solve the problem is the modem itself. Most modems can be programmed to reset themselves to a site-defined state when the phone connection is hung up. Rack-mount modems (like USR) come with a management system (e.g. Total Control) that can control the modems externally, reloading their configurations to undo anything even the most devious user could do to them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 14:04:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:04:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA28515 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:04:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!! Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:04:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 140 Message-Id: <48a7l0$rr0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com>, Peter Noone wrote: > > I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5 > running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit > using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was > running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic > that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted > in single user mode. I recovered from this incident but am > a little wary of running kermit again. > > Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of? > Plenty of them. They are documented as thoroughly as we know how in the release note. The pertinent file is ckuker.bwr (C-Kermit for UNIX "beware" file). I quote liberally from it below, but please note that if a user-mode program can crash an UNIX operating system, the problem is not in the user-mode program :-) (3.7) C-KERMIT AND SOLARIS C-Kermit can't be compiled successfully under Solaris 2.3 using SUNWspro cc 2.0.1 unless at least some of the following patches are applied to cc (it is not known which one(s), if any, fix the problem): 100935-01 SparcCompiler C 2.0.1: bad code generated when addresses of two double arguments are involved 100961-05 SPARCcompilers C 2.0.1: conditional expression with function returning strucure gives wrong value 100974-01 SparcWorks 2.0.1: dbx jumbo patch 101424-01 SPARCworks 2.0.1 maketool SEGV's instantly on Solaris 2.3 With unpatched cc 2.0.1, the symptom is that certain modules generate truncated object files, resulting in many unresolved references at link time. Reportedly, "C-Kermit ... causes a SPARCstation running Solaris 2.3 to panic after the modem connects. I have tried compiling C-Kermit with Sun's unbundled C compiler, with GCC Versions 2.4.5 and 2.5.3, with make targets 'sunos51', 'sunos51tcp', 'sunos51gcc', and even 'sys5r4', and each time it compiles and starts up cleanly, but without fail, as soon as I dial the number and get a 'CONNECT' message from the modem, I get: BAD TRAP kermit: Data fault kernel read fault at addr=0x45c, pme=0x0 Sync Error Reg 80 ... panic: Data Fault. ... Rebooting... The same modem works fine for UUCP/tip calling." Also (reportedly), this only happens if the dialout port is configured as in/out via admintool. If it is configured as out-only, no problem. This is the same dialing code that works on hundreds of other System-V based UNIX OS's. Since it should be impossible for a user program to crash the operating system, this problem must be chalked up to a Solaris bug. Even if you SET CARRIER OFF, CONNECT, and dial manually by typing ATDTnnnnnnn, the system panics as soon as the modem issues its CONNECT message. (Clearly, when you are dialing manually, C-Kermit does not know a thing about the CONNECT message, and so the panic is almost certainly caused by the transition of the Carrier Detect (CD) line from off to on.) This problem was reported by many users, all of whom say that C-Kermit worked fine on Solaris 2.1 and 2.2. If the speculation about CD is true, then a possible workaround might be to configure the modem to leave CD on (or off) all the time. Perhaps by the time you read this, a patch will have been issued for Solaris 2.3. The following is from Karl S. Marsh, Systems & Networks Administrator, AMBIX Systems Corp, Rochester, NY (begin quote): "Environment: Solaris 2.3 Patch 101318-45 C-Kermit 5A(189) (and presumably this applies to 188 and 190 also) eeprom setting: ttya-rts-dtr-off=false ttya-ignore-cd=false ttya-mode=19200,8,n,8,- "To use C-Kermit on a bidirectional port in this environment, do not use admintool to configure the port. Use admintool to delete any services running on the port and then quit admintool and issue the following command: pmadm -a -p zsmon -s ttyb -i root -fu -v 1 -m "`ttyadm -b -d /dev/term/b \ -l conttyH -m ldterm,ttcompat -s /usr/bin/login -S n`" [NOTE: This was copied from a fax, so please check it carefully] where: -a = Add service -p = pmtag (zsmon) -s = service tag (ttyb) -i = id to be associated with service tag (root) -fu = create utmp entry -v = version of ttyadm -m = port monitor-specific portion of the port monitor administrative file entry for the service -b = set up port for bidirectional use -d = full path name of device -l = which ttylabel in the /etc/ttydefs file to use -m = a list of pushable STREAMS modules -s = pathname of service to be invoked when connection request received -S = software carrier detect on or off (n = off) "This is exactly how I was able to get Kermit to work on a bi-directional port without crashing the system." (End quote) On the Solaris problem, also see SunSolve Bug ID 1150457 ("Using C-Kermit, get Bad Trap on receiving prompt from remote system"). Another user reported "So, I have communicated with the Sun tech support person that submitted this bug report [1150457]. Apparently, this bug was fixed under one of the jumbo kernel patches. It would seem that the fix did not live on into 101318-45, as this is EXACTLY the error that I see when I attempt to use kermit on my system." Later (Aug 94)... C-Kermit dialout successfully tested on a Sun4m with a heavily patched Solaris 2.3. The patches most likely to have been relevant: 101318-50: SunOS 5.3: Jumbo patch for kernel (includes libc, lockd) 101720-01: SunOS 5.3: ttymon - prompt not always visible on a modem connection 101815-01: SunOS 5.3: Data fault in put() NULL queue passed from ttycommon_qfull() 101328-01: SunOS 5.3: Automation script to properly setup tty ports prior to PCTS execution Still later (Nov 94): another user (Bo Kullmar in Sweden) reports that after using C-Kermit to dial out on a bidirectional port, the port might not answer subsequent incoming calls, and says "the problem is easy enough to to fix with the Serial Port Manager; I just delete the service and and install it again using the graphical interface, which underneath uses commands like sacadm and pmadm." Later Bo reports, "I have found that if I run Kermit with the following script then it works. This script is for /dev/cua/a, -s a is the last a in /dev/cua/a #! /bin/sh kermit sleep 2 surun pmadm -e -p zsmon -s a (end quote) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 14:07:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:08:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA28594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:07:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow control xon/xoff <-> RTS/CTS? Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:07:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <48a7rt$rtg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, Steve Fosdick wrote: : We have a modem link, using modems with NMP5 which therefore implement : flow control between the modem and the computer. : : At one end, the flow control mechanism is RTS/CTS and at the other end : the flow control mechanism is Xon/Xoff. : : With this setup, file transfers sometimes get hung, and whenever this : occurs, if I ^C from the file transfer, connected to the other end, : and send an XON character I get a large number of queued packets in : response. : : Never having had this problem when using Xon/Xoff at both ends I : assume that kermit includes sending an Xon to the modem as part of : it's timeout recovery mechanism in case the modem received an Xoff : which kermit didn't send it, but doesn't do that if flow is set to : RTS/CTS. : : Question: is there any detrimental effect to be had from trying the : Xon heuristic in RTS/CTS mode? : Obviously, yes. Flow control should be operational locally between each pair of devices that are capable of it. So RTS/CTS between the PC and the modem, MNP5 between the two modems, and RTS/CTS *or* Xon/Xoff between the remote modem and the remote computer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 23:57:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:38:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01130 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:38:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!voyager.cris.com!Pknoone From: Pknoone@cris.com (Peter Noone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!! Date: 13 Nov 1995 23:57:24 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-Id: <488m14$rai@spectator.cris.com> References: <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: voyager-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Peter Noone (Pknoone@cris.com) wrote: : I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5 : running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit : using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was : running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic : that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted : in single user mode. I recovered from this incident but am : a little wary of running kermit again. : Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of? : : thanks in advance : Peter Noone : pknoone@cris.com : Just to follow up on my on post......... Well I fired up kermit and set my modem to hayes and my device to /dev/cua/a at speed 19200 then proceeded to dial out. After timing out my system suffered a kernel panic and rebooted. I am clueless as to what it could be. peter noone pknoone@cris.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 23:50:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:45:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01341 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:45:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!bt!theseus.aom.bt.co.uk!stevef From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FAQ Question: MY BACKSPACE KEY DOESN'T WORK Date: 13 Nov 1995 23:50:07 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 13 Message-Id: <488ljf$jvm@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.aom.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Having read the FAQ answer to this question I would like to addone thing, which is not to forget configuring the other end to accept the DEL character which kermit normally sends. On a UNIX system, I set the erase character to DEL if the terminal type is a vt-series terminal (kermit included) and backspace otherwise because this is what these terminals normally send. -- Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 16:02:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:02:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA01773 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:02:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.announce Subject: Kermit 95 Update Available Date: 14 Nov 1995 16:02:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <48aei7$1n8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4120 comp.protocols.kermit.announce:13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce version 1.1.1 of Kermit 95, which is available to current registered users of Kermit 95 1.1 as a patch. This patch applies only to shrink-wrapped copies, not to site licensed copies, which are already at 1.1.1 level. You may download the patch from the Kermit BBS or you can ftp it in binary mode from the Internet Kermit archive: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/* Patch 1 corrects the following problems: . General improvement of accuracy and appearance of Dialer status line. . Attempting to a preloaded Dialer entry no longer crashes the Dialer. . "Dial Prefix" no longer also becomes "Dial Suffix". . Alphabetization of Dialer entries is now case insensitive. . Range checking for numeric dial options fixed in Dialer. . Correction for Kermit BBS entry in Dialer. . Spurious "OK to close?" message when launching a connection from the Dialer, now removed. . Download directory specified in General page of entry notebook was ignored, now works. . ZMODEM downloads fixed to work with FILE COLLISION BACKUP and RENAME. . ZMODEM downloads fixed on Telnet connections where they didn't work before. . Under certain conditions, K95 would fail to find script or key mapping files if a full pathname was not given. . Changes made to modem configuration in K95CUSTOM.INI were ignored when starting a connection from the Dialer. . The version number is changed from 1.1 to 1.1.1. To apply Patch 1: . Make a backup copy of your Kermit 95 directory. This is not only a safety precaution in case something goes wrong (it shouldn't), but also because future patches might have to be applied to the 1.1 base version. . Ftp the following files to your PC's Kermit 95 directory in binary mode: w110-111.rtp w110-111.rtd patch.exe . While cd'd to your Kermit 95 directory, type the following command: patch w110-111.rtp . Check afterwards that your K95DIAL.EXE and K95.EXE files operate correctly, that the bugs mentioned above are fixed, and that none of the files that you might have customized (such as K95CUSTOM.INI or DIALUSR.DAT) have been altered. After applying the patch, read the BUGS.DOC file for details about the bugs that were fixed by this patch, and known problems that are still outstanding, as well as some frequently asked questions (and answers). Additional patches will be issued periodically to correct reported problems and to add features. Full information on Kermit 95 is available on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 00:54:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:38:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02773 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:38:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!qmw!unl.ac.uk!ETX8PIGGOTL From: etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk (Ivan Danicic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: settings Date: 14 Nov 1995 00:54:14 GMT Organization: University of North London. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <488pbm$13n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Reply-To: etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: clstr.unl.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I'm terribly ignorant so here is a stupid question: to download a file from my local host to my home PC (which operation is terribly slow now) which Kermit settings should I try to change? Receiver or sender? Thanks in advance for all polite replies! Ivan - etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 02:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:22:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA05559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:22:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!rosselot From: rosselot@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Don Rosselot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ? KERMIT with embedded system, how? Date: 14 Nov 1995 02:22:40 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 5 Message-Id: <488uhg$iic@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hestia.iucf.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to implement kermit on an embedded system. Am188em microcont- roller from AMD. I need the source code to kermit, best without bios or system calls. Any Ideas? Thanks, Don From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 00:03:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:22:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA05561 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:22:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dsbc.icl.co.uk!jjf From: jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J.J.Farrell) Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Message-Id: Organization: ICL, Bracknell, UK. References: <4888ns$j8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 00:03:56 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4888ns$j8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every >file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX. >Closing a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up. >There is nothing the process can do about it. On most modern (and many ancient) versions of UNIX (System V derived or cloned), the process can clear the HUPCL flag (Hang UP on CLose) before exiting, thus explicitly telling the terminal device not to hang up the line when it is closed. I'd be surprised if equivalent functionality isn't present in other flavours of UNIX. My opinions; I do not speak for my employer. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 20:13:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:07:02 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16148 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:07:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!viking.cris.com!Pknoone From: Pknoone@cris.com (Peter Noone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!! Date: 14 Nov 1995 20:13:37 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-Id: <48at9h$fun@spectator.cris.com> References: <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com> <48a7l0$rr0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: viking.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com>, : Peter Noone wrote: : > : > I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5 : > running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit : > using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was : > running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic : > that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted : > in single user mode. I recovered from this incident but am : > a little wary of running kermit again. : > : > Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of? : > : Plenty of them. They are documented as thoroughly as we know how in the : release note. The pertinent file is ckuker.bwr (C-Kermit for UNIX "beware" : file). I quote liberally from it below, but please note that if a user-mode : program can crash an UNIX operating system, the problem is not in the : user-mode program :-) << Lots of helpful info deleted >> Thanks Frank. I guess it's time for me to RTFM bigtime. I bought your book today, last copy at the Stanford Bookstore. Who needs a bidirectional modem port anyway :). Peter Noone pknoone@cris.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 18:00:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:51:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA17216 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:51:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!br0w+ From: "Bruno W. Repetto" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with VMS CKermit Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:00:11 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need some help with CKermit. Last year I copied a not-so-new version of CKermit (C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS VAX; I know, I know, it's not the latest...) to a DEC 3100 running VMS 5.5. Never had a problem using it during all this time. Last week, I copied the same program to a similar DEC 3100, also running VMS 5.5. I use ckermit to connect from the first computer to the second. The problem occurs when I start ckermit on the second computer to receive files (plain text files) from the first one. The transfer of files time out. I am at a loss as to what I should be looking for to correct this problem. Can anybody help? Thanks! B Repetto From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 15 03:29:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:29:10 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA20832 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:29:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dial Out from Kermit CMS Date: 15 Nov 1995 03:29:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <48bmpt$kaq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47d55m$hgu@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47d55m$hgu@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com>, wrote: >I've sucessfully dialed out with Kermit-CMS by telnetting from the Kermit-CMS prompt to >a port on the terminal server setup for dialout. How do you actually send and receive files >though? I tried SHOW ESCAPE to see what the escape character is so I can hotkey to >local mode, but no luck. Kermit-CMS doesn't have a CONNECT mode. Since terminals on IBM mainframes (like other I/O devices there) talk in block mode, you simply cannot have a transparent session passing through to a remote character-mode host. Not only that, but the terminal connection is inherently half-duplex, so that even a partial implementation requiring the user to press an attention key after every ordinary keystroke would still fail to simulate a transparent session. You can run Kermit-CMS in local mode, but only by dialing into an alternate virtual terminal device. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 11:28:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 02:26:04 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA25753 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 02:26:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ? KERMIT with embedded system, how? Message-Id: <1995Nov14.172800.66887@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 95 17:28:00 MDT References: <488uhg$iic@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488uhg$iic@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rosselot@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Don Rosselot) writes: > I am trying to implement kermit on an embedded system. Am188em microcont- > roller from AMD. I need the source code to kermit, best without bios > or system calls. Any Ideas? > > Thanks, Don -------- That's a tall order. We don't have source code for a microcontroller. That means you will have to roll your own, oh joy, or contract with someone do it. As encouragement Kermits have been written in silicon before, one version a long time ago, and another version in HP 48 calculators (current). Sources for both are not publically available, sigh. I have no idea of what an Am188em has on the inside so advice on how tough the task will be is not possible in this message. Finally, another encouragement is the Kermit protocol is designed such that the least feature-full implementations can work with the fanciest. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 11:21:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:29:54 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA17735 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:29:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow control xon/xoff <-> RTS/CTS? Message-Id: <1995Nov14.172106.66884@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 95 17:21:06 MDT References: <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) writes: > We have a modem link, using modems with NMP5 which therefore implement > flow control between the modem and the computer. > > At one end, the flow control mechanism is RTS/CTS and at the other end > the flow control mechanism is Xon/Xoff. > > With this setup, file transfers sometimes get hung, and whenever this > occurs, if I ^C from the file transfer, connected to the other end, > and send an XON character I get a large number of queued packets in > response. > > Never having had this problem when using Xon/Xoff at both ends I > assume that kermit includes sending an Xon to the modem as part of > it's timeout recovery mechanism in case the modem received an Xoff > which kermit didn't send it, but doesn't do that if flow is set to > RTS/CTS. > > Question: is there any detrimental effect to be had from trying the > Xon heuristic in RTS/CTS mode? > > -- > Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk > Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J > Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ > Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. --------- What's needed is for each leg of the comms pathway to flow control between the boxes terminating that leg, or do only end to end flow control with transparency along the link. The latter approach is simpler but suffers from major worries of overrunning one of the intermediate boxes and of the overall byte storage of the comms channel (and it can be large). So Plan A is the desirable approach. Kermit won't do both XON/XOFF and RTS/CTS flow control at the same time, nor should it. You will need to have a little talk with each modem and the remote host about which kind of flow control is to be used where (hopefully hardware RTS/CTS so the channel remains totally transparent). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 19:54:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:29:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA17731 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:29:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.itg.ti.com!usenet From: rusty@iefm770.itg.ti.com (Rusty Haddock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 14 Nov 1995 19:54:38 GMT Organization: 1/entropy Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-Id: <48as5u$45p@dsk92.itg.ti.com> References: <48a6nq$rgk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: rusty@ti.com (Rusty Haddock) Nntp-Posting-Host: iefm770.itg.ti.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz writes: >In article , >Mark T. Regan wrote: >: Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, >: and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use >: Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control >: key doesn't produce any scan code. >: >There is no way to map modifier keys (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Caps Lock) by >themselves. In general, if you can't get a scan code with SHOW KEY, you >can't map the key. >- Frank Even if you do get a scan code from SHOW KEY it won't necessarily be accepted by SET KEY. Case in point: [C:\] C-Kermit>show key Press key: {Press Shift PageUp} Key code \841 => Undefined [C:\] C-Kermit>set key \841 ?Invalid: set key \841 [C:\] C-Kermit>set key _ After pressing the 1 in 841 the error message is displayed. There are other key-combo/scan codes for which happens as well. There is a work around though. I have found that by converting the scan code to hexadecimal it will be accepted by SET KEY (e.g. SET KEY \x349 \Kscnup). This is for C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 (I'm running version 3.0 on an IBM PS/2 Model 77). -Rusty- -- Rusty Haddock, KD4WLZ MSGID: MWH2 ___ Texas Instruments Internet: rusty@ti.com |\/ o\ O POB 869305 MS 8515 Phone: (214) 575-6838 | ( -< o O Plano, Texas 75086 Fax: (214) 575-4351 |/\_V_/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 15 14:25:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26137 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:25:47 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA19022 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:25:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with VMS CKermit Date: 15 Nov 1995 14:25:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <48ct98$iib@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bruno W. Repetto wrote: : I need some help with CKermit. Last year I copied a not-so-new version of : CKermit (C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS VAX; I know, I know, it's not : the latest...) to a DEC 3100 running VMS 5.5. Never had a problem using it : during all this time. Last week, I copied the same program to a similar : DEC 3100, also running VMS 5.5. I use ckermit to connect from the first : computer to the second. The problem occurs when I start ckermit on the : second computer to receive files (plain text files) from the first one. : The transfer of files time out. I am at a loss as to what I should be : looking for to correct this problem. Can anybody help? : The manual, "Using C-Kermit", has an entire chapter (Chapter 6) devoted to this topic, plus additional material in the VMS Appendix. In other words, any number of things can go wrong -- there is no short answer. However, since most common cause for file transfer failure on VMS is buffer overruns, you might begin by looking at flow control and buffer sizes. See, in particular, the CKVINS.DOC file that contains installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 05:42:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:27:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA19041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:27:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ethernet / Kermit Message-Id: <1995Nov14.114236.66839@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 95 11:42:35 MDT References: <488ntu$or1@morgan.vf.mmc.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:21401 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4131 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488ntu$or1@morgan.vf.mmc.com>, tcmayo@eng112 (Tom Mayo N1RMU) writes: > Hello- > > I am trying to add a low-tech node to my home LAN. My downstairs > neighbor and I already run two Linux boxes on our Ethernet with no > problems. I want to add my 286 to the network. It has a 3COM 3C503 > and I have installed the Crynwr packet driver for this card with cmd > line 3c503 0x78. It seems to work ok with TELNETD, but what I would > like is to run Kermit so I can connect to the other nodes. > > Our little network is 10.0.0.0 with fang at 10.0.0.1 and tuning at > 10.0.0.2. Communication between fang and tuning is superfine. The > 286 is cheesebox at 10.0.0.3. I am using the MSCUSTOM.INI file at the > end of the message on cheesebox. The problem is that I get the following > message when I try to connect from cheesebox at the Kermit prompt: > > resolving addres of host 10.0.0.1... > unable to ARP resolve 10.0.0.1 > unable to contact the host > the host may be down or a gateway may be needed > ?cannot start the connection Some Linux systems have terrible problems with ARP caches. I suggest you use the re-issue edition of MSK v3.14 (fetch from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip) which cures one bug in MSK's ARP code. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 15 05:45:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 03:16:52 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA14721 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 03:16:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!news.sprintlink.net!news.cirrus.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!hustle.rahul.net!itz From: itz@rahul.net (Ian T Zimmerman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: protect modem under C-Kermit? Date: 15 Nov 1995 05:45:24 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 48 Message-Id: References: <48a7df$ro3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kronstadt.rahul.net In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 14 Nov 1995 14:00:15 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48a7df$ro3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > : It seems to me that every modem comm program in existence is either > : fascist - ie. secure and inflexible. Examples: cu, tip. Or > : libertarian - ie. flexible and insecure. Examples: minicom, and, > : unfortunately, C-kermit. > : That's because > : 1/ the "connect" command can be entered at any time, even before > : the modem has a carrier. Then users can talk directly to the modem and > : reprogram it to their hearts' content. > : 2/ Users can execute "set dial init-string", thus setting modem > : options indirectly. A special case of this is that they can reenable > : the modem escape sequence (`+++') if it has been disabled, then use it > : to get back to command mode at an arbitrary time. > : > > Sometimes it's better to state the problem you are actually trying to > solve, rather than to propose a solution in a vacuum. Let me take a wild > guess -- you have some kind of dialout modem pool, and you don't want > users to be able to mess up a modem so that subsequent users can't use it > (or worse). > Right on. > This is a common problem, but the place to solve it is not in the > software. Even if it were solved in the software and you had a "secure" > version of Kermit, any user could simply ftp an "insecure" version and > defeat your security (this is an oversimplification in the interest of > brevity). No, not if access to the device is restricted and kermit (or whatever) runs setuid/setgid. > The place to solve the problem is the modem itself. Most > modems can be programmed to reset themselves to a site-defined state when > the phone connection is hung up. Rack-mount modems (like USR) come with a > management system (e.g. Total Control) that can control the modems > externally, reloading their configurations to undo anything even the most > devious user could do to them. > OK, I will look at that. -- Ian T Zimmerman +-------------------------------------------+ P.O. Box 13445 I With so many executioners available, I Berkeley, California 94712 I suicide is a really foolish thing to do. I USA +-------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 20:01:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:36:48 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA06118 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:36:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A K95/W95 trick Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:01:06 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <4887ui$s32@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-66.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, it's not actually a trick, rather a convenient use of the capabilities of Windows95 and Kermit95. I have an oft-used entry called "Telnet gamera" in the K95 dialer. When I use the dialer to get to gamera, the dialer writes the script k95\tmp\telnet_gamera.scr then starts the "engine" (k95.exe) telling it to "take" the script. This is how the dialer starts all connections. 1. I told the dialer to save this script by putting "set startup-file keep" in k95.ini 2. I copied tmp\telnet_gamera.scr to scripts\gamera.ksc (use any extension here which has no W95 associations; don't use "scr" since W95 thinks they're screensaver files) 3. In Explorer/View/Options/FileTypes, I created the file type "Kermit script", assigned it the extension ".ksc" and associated it with the action: c:\k95\k95.exe -SC "take %1" (This is literal; S means "stay" [don't exit upon return to the K95 prompt]; C means execute the Kermit command that follows) Voila! double-click "gamera.ksc" (or a shortcut to it) and a few moments later, I'm sitting at gamera's prompt. I put a shortcut to "gamera.ksc" in my start menu, and now a single click gets me there without messing with the dialer ... convenient! And I discovered that the ksc file did not have to be anywhere special, since Windows95 passes a fully qualified drive:\path\name (%1) to K95.exe. And, of course, when Explorer shows me one of these ksc files in a folder (with details) it identified as being of the type "Kermit script". Enjoy! - Vince - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 15:04:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:24:14 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA08501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:24:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: extended ASCII characters Date: 16 Nov 1995 15:04:03 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 12 Message-Id: <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set? I've set the display to 8-bit and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on my screen. (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an acute accent.) When I look at files I've transfered with the type command, I see the IBM graphics character for the character number I expected (in the 128-256 range). I'm using the VT102 emulation on an XT computer. Thanks, David Stow From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 19:19:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:19:39 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA14284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:19:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: extended ASCII characters Date: 16 Nov 1995 19:19:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <48g2s0$du7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display : characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set? I've set the display to 8-bit : and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII : characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on : my screen. (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an : acute accent.) : So then this must be MS-DOS Kermit, right? What version? The current version is 3.14. Proper display of many different character sets is an integral feature of MS-DOS Kermit. The mechanics are explained in detail in Chapter 13 of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Is Kermit's PARITY set to NONE? Assuming it is, then it sounds like you have set up Kermit correctly (check with SHOW TERMINAL), so I expect that the host is simply not sending all 8 bits. It is likely that you need to give a command at the host to make it stop chopping off the 8th bit. The exact format of the command would depend on the host. In SunOS it would be "stty pass8". In VMS, "set terminal/eight", and so on. If you are going through a terminal server, it too might need some command for 8-bit transparency. : When I look at files I've transfered with the type command, I see the : IBM graphics character for the character number I expected (in the : 128-256 range). I'm using the VT102 emulation on an XT computer. : How do you mean "transfered with the type command"? You mean you used LOG SESSION on the PC to capture a file that you typed on the host? This raises two questions: 1. Why not use Kermit protocol to transfer the file? This will handle the character-set conversion for you. 2. Why do you get 8-bit characters in your log file if you don't see them on your screen? This one is a puzzle, and I can't offer any hints without a more detailed report. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 18:53:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:59:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA02471 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:59:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!mv!mv.mv.com!lakewood From: lakewood@mv.mv.com (Lakewood Corporation) Subject: Kermit problems Keywords: kermit Message-Id: Summary: having problems with kermit 3.11 Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:53:39 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mv.mv.com Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. I was wondering if anyone has experienced either of the following messages: "?No room for Take file buffer or Macro Definition" - when downloading a file using a macro. "?Word "^@^@^@^@" is not usable here" - I get when disconnecting (alt-x) from a tcp/ip connection with a unix host. When I try to quit, I get the following message: "Memory Allocation Error" "Cannot Load Command" "System Halted" I am running Dos kermit 3.13. Is there a newer version? Is there a faq that discusses these issues? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 00:24:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:40:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA20874 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:40:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!blues.epas.utoronto.ca!ekoku From: Emmanuel Koku Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Turning Off Dialing Signals. Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:24:15 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Lines: 9 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hallo, I'd be very grateful if I could get help on how to turn off the speaker/ or minimize the noice that comes from the speakers when connecting to a server by modem. I've looked at the modem software and turned the speakers off. Yes, the speaker doesn't work when I'm using the software's terminal and dialing out. All these is done under windows. However, when I switch to dos and dial through the kermit software, the noice just wakes my family up. Any help?. Sincerely, Emmanuel. a plot of sin(x) to my local machine, I was thrilled to watch the graph appear on my VGA color monitor like magic. I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other purposes. However, my University computing services help desk suggested that 1. Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably paraphrasing grossly.) 2. Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats likes gif , jpg, postscript, etc. 3. I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers. Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator (which are not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? I just read "Using MS-DOS Kermit" by C. Gianone, 1st edition, which I found to be a beautiful book, but it does not cover this point too deeply. Thanks, Alexander Ng From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 06:40:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:40:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA20879 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:40:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!newstand.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.kei.com!wang!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!kopc.hhs.dk!lav From: lav@kopc.hhs.dk (Lars Vangsgaard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Reusing local Kermit commands? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 16 Nov 95 16:11:10 CET Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk> Reply-To: lav@ko.hhs.dk Nntp-Posting-Host: kopc.hhs.dk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it in any way possible to log and reuse previously given commands at the MS-Kermit>-prompt? What I would like is something like the doskey usage in DOS: Just press up-arrow until the old command is there, and edit and press Enter. Thanks in advance, Lars Vangsgaard From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 22:51:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:42:35 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA29492 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:42:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with special characters in Output strings Date: 16 Nov 1995 17:51:14 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 39 Sender: mike@knot.QueensU.CA Message-Id: <48gf92$5ps@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is with MSK 3.14 patch level 9. I have a login script that prompts for a password with ask and later uses output to send the password at the appropriate time. Pretty standard stuff. My problem is that occasionally the password has a character that is somehow special to MSK. The trouble first came to light with a leading @ character. If, say, \%p is @blah, the statement output \%p\13 looks for an indirect file named blah. My solution to this was to translate @ characters in \%p as follows: asg \%p \Freplace(\%p,@,\{64}) This solves the leading @ problem. Then I got a report from somebody with a leading ) in their password. I tried many permutations on curly bracket quoting and \F functions like \Fcontents but could not come up with a combination that MSK liked. I'm willing to admit that I do not understand MSK's parsing rules but I'm fairly convinced that many of the combinations I tried were reasonable and produced unreasonable results. Regardless, I eventually gave up beating my head on the \Freplace function and looked again at the output function. To solve the leading @ and ) characters I omitted the \Freplace altogether and changed the output to: output {\%p\13} If you're still reading, you've probably predicted that the above fails when \%p begins with }. I'm hoping that someone can tell me I'm being doltish and the solution is to simply . -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 14:43:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:43:07 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA29502 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:43:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reusing local Kermit commands? Date: 17 Nov 1995 14:43:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <48i71o$sps@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk>, Lars Vangsgaard wrote: : Is it in any way possible to log and reuse previously given commands at : the MS-Kermit>-prompt? What I would like is something like the doskey : usage in DOS: Just press up-arrow until the old command is there, and : edit and press Enter. : C-Kermit and Kermit 95 have this feature, but as yet MS-DOS Kermit does not. If you are running it in a window, you should be able to copy and paste commands that are still visible. And of course, you can also gather commonly used commands together into command files or macros for reuse. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 14:47:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:47:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA29584 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:47:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Turning Off Dialing Signals. Date: 17 Nov 1995 14:47:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <48i7a0$ssd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Emmanuel Koku wrote: : Hallo, I'd be very grateful if I could get help on how to turn off the : speaker/ or minimize the noice that comes from the speakers when : connecting to a server by modem. I've looked at the modem software and : turned the speakers off. Yes, the speaker doesn't work when I'm using : the software's terminal and dialing out. All these is done under : windows. However, when I switch to dos and dial through the kermit : software, the noice just wakes my family up. Any help?. : Follow these steps: 1. Look in your modem manual to find out the command to turn off the speaker. It is usually something like ATM0. 2. Give this command to your modem prior to dialing. If you want the speaker always to be off, then you can add the ATM0 command to your Kermit dialing script, or (if you modem allows this), you can save the modem's configuration after turning off the speaker -- the method for this depends on your modem (again, look in your modem manual). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 15:51:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:51:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:51:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Date: 17 Nov 1995 15:51:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 88 Message-Id: <48ib1p$1b8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: tektronix emulator Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu>, Alexander Ng wrote: : How can I profitably use Tektronix emulation mode on MS-DOS Kermit? I : got a copy of the program at my university and use it on my 386SX with : 6MB RAM. My modem is 9600bps. I found the VT100 emulation incredibly : robust. In reading through the documentation, I discovered that : graphics terminal emulation is available with Tek4010 mode. : It's actually a bit higher than that -- Tek4014, augmented by VT340 Sixel graphics capability plus ANSI coloration, all three of which may be freely intermixed. : After running Gnuplot remotely on my UNIX server, and sending the output : of a plot of sin(x) to my local machine, I was thrilled to watch the : graph appear on my VGA color monitor like magic. : : I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other purposes. : However, my University computing services help desk suggested that: : : 1. Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably : paraphrasing grossly.) : That's probably exactly what they said. This is merely an extension of the trendy and short-sighted view of many system administrators, Internet service providers, etc, that text is dead and all the world needs from now on is a Web browser. : 2. Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats : likes gif, jpg, postscript, etc. : Tektronix is a compact line-drawing language. Sixel is a compact bitmap transmission language. These languages were designed long ago when transmission bandwidth was at a premium. The assumption nowadays is that bandwidth, CPU power, memory, and disk space are unlimited and no clever algorithms are needed to conserve them. : 3. I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers. : : Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator (which are : not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? : : I just read "Using MS-DOS Kermit" by C. Gianone, 1st edition, which I : found to be a beautiful book, but it does not cover this point too : deeply. : Terminal-oriented graphics languages like Tektronix and Sixel, just like text-terminal-oriented communications (like Telnet), still have their place, and I (for one) hope they always will. Web communication is predominantly one-way. It's like being spoon-fed whatever information the Web "content provider" wants you to see. Terminal-oriented communication is intrinsically interactive -- you participate actively, you contribute. While GIF, JPEG, etc, are hot buzzwords today, they are just another way of showing pictures to you. Tektronix / Sixel can do that too. For an idea of the power of this type of emulation, look at the MS-DOS Kermit graphics screen shots at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/shots.html But Tektronix graphics terminals (and emulators) like MS-DOS Kermit are more than just picture viewers -- they let you engage in interactive graphics modelling sessions. I trust that scientists and engineers who use Kermit in this way will pipe up with concrete examples. See, for example, the story about how Kermit's Tektronix emulation was used in the fight against AIDS in Kermit News #5: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn5.html#england The idea is that information can flow both ways. For example, the application can show a picture and then put up a crosshair cursor, which you can move about with the mouse or arrow keys, and then send back coordinates that can be processed by the application, which can then modify the picture, and so one. Major serious host-based applications like SAS/Graph come with full support not only for Tektronix graphics, but for Kermit's specific mix of Tektronix 4014, Sixel, and ANSI, to produce stunning full-color graphics like the ones shown in the screen shots. Using MS-DOS Kermit, you can access these applications in a uniform way over direct or dialed serial connections, TELNET connections, DECnet CTERM or LAT connections, and in numerous other ways. On slow modem connections, the compact encoding results in surprisingly good performance. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 19:03:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:13:01 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA05866 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:12:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!news.wfu.edu!not-for-mail From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Date: 16 Nov 1995 19:03:03 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <48g1t7$2td@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: darth.phy.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Alexander Ng (ang@math.rutgers.edu) wrote: : I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other : purposes. However, my University computing services help desk : suggested that : 1. Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably : paraphrasing grossly.) X is better, certainly. : 2. Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats : likes gif , jpg, postscript, etc. True. : 3. I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers. Not a bad idea if your have a capable Windows system. : Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator : (which are not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? Tektronix remains a very bandwidth efficient means of generating line graphs, and Kermit can do so promptly even with 8088's over a 2400 baud modem, and at low cost. VT100, of course, doesn't generate graphics at all. X-server software is powerful, but is most often quite sluggish over modem connections. Further, most good packages cost several hunderd dollars. If you have a 486 with 8 megs of RAM, as your computer center to supply you with a license for X-server software for your PC. Get the PPP software from them while you are at it; you will need it to run the X. Don't be surprised if they are unable to meet your request, or if they try to charge you four hundred dollars. Don't be disappointed with poor X server performance running over a modem. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 10:33:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:33:51 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA26479 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:33:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Message-Id: <1995Nov16.163336.67086@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Nov 95 16:33:36 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , "Mark T. Regan" writes: > Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, > and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use > Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control > key doesn't produce any scan code. My PC is an IBM P70 (8573-121), running > WARP CONNECT. --------- There seems to be a spate of questions similar to this and perhaps one answer will help others. The special keys ALT, SHIFT, CONTROL produce nothing by themselves. They only modify what another key produces. The system Bios reports only a final result, not the individual key make/break sequences. Thus A/S/C can change what a reportable key does report, but that's all. Yes, the term "scan code" is misleading when referring to what Kermit terms a raw key code. It's not the make/break stuff but rather a composite code representing the Bios result plus a look-aside at the Bios's idea of what special keys were pressed *at the same time*. Nothing is reported until a reportable key is pressed. (Overloading that reportable word here, sorry). Maybe I should have used the term "key code" way back when this material was first being designed. You might notice that the Enter key can produce two different codes: Carriage Return when pressed alone, and Line Feed when used as Control-Enter. That's built into the Bios. Kermit's SET KEY facility lets one change these results to be whatever, much as we flip the BackSpace key between sending BS and DEL for different operating systems. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 01:23:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:17 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: extended ASCII characters Message-Id: <1995Nov18.072309.67199@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 95 07:23:08 MDT References: <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes: > Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display > characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set? I've set the display to 8-bit > and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII > characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on > my screen. (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an > acute accent.) When I look at files I've transfered with the type > command, I see the IBM graphics character for the character number I > expected (in the 128-256 range). I'm using the VT102 emulation on an XT > computer. > Thanks, > David Stow ------------- A VT102 terminal does not have Latin-1 capabilities, and it is a 7-bit device. May I suggest you use the VT320 emulation which has it all. Be sure to say SET DISPLAY 8-BIT to enable reception of all 8 bits. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 01:25:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:48 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05450 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reusing local Kermit commands? Message-Id: <1995Nov18.072521.67200@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 95 07:25:20 MDT References: <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk>, lav@kopc.hhs.dk (Lars Vangsgaard) writes: > Is it in any way possible to log and reuse previously given commands at > the MS-Kermit>-prompt? What I would like is something like the doskey > usage in DOS: Just press up-arrow until the old command is there, and > edit and press Enter. > Thanks in advance, > Lars Vangsgaard --------- No. A MSK command line can be a long object (1KB) by the time all string substitutions are finished and thus storing older command lines uses too much memory. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 01:30:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05521 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Message-Id: <1995Nov18.073056.67201@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 95 07:30:56 MDT References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu>, ang@math.rutgers.edu (Alexander Ng) writes: > My question is relatively naive, but here goes. > > How can I profitably use Tektronix emulation mode on MS-DOS > Kermit? I got a copy of the program at my university and use it on my > 386SX with 6MB RAM. My modem is 9600bps. I found the VT100 emulation > incredibly robust. In reading through the documentation, I discovered > that graphics terminal emulation is available with Tek4010 mode. > After running Gnuplot remotely on my UNIX server, and sending > the output of a plot of sin(x) to my local machine, I was thrilled to > watch the graph appear on my VGA color monitor like magic. > > I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other > purposes. However, my University computing services help desk > suggested that > 1. Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably > paraphrasing grossly.) Well, the terminal hardware is certainly ancient, but the emulation marches on. > 2. Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats > likes gif , jpg, postscript, etc. "Useful" is a relative term, and the list above is a PC-trained person's view of current toys. Ask the scientific establishment, or ask your Comp Center if they run SAS on the main machinery, or if WordPerfect is running on one of the Unix or VMS machines. > 3. I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers. I don't understand what this has to do with your question to them. > Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator > (which are not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 15:56:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 19:56:51 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA09752 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 19:56:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.seinf.abb.se!inquo!news.erinet.com!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.concourse.com!usenet From: "Mark T. Regan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 10:56:38 -0500 (EST) Organization: Internet Concourse Lines: 40 Message-Id: References: <1995Nov16.163336.67086@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.coil.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Nov16.163336.67086@cc.usu.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 16 Nov 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote: > In article , "Mark T. Regan" writes: > > Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, > > and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use > > Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control > > key doesn't produce any scan code. My PC is an IBM P70 (8573-121), running > > WARP CONNECT. > --------- > There seems to be a spate of questions similar to this and perhaps > one answer will help others. > The special keys ALT, SHIFT, CONTROL produce nothing by themselves. > They only modify what another key produces. The system Bios reports only > a final result, not the individual key make/break sequences. Thus A/S/C > can change what a reportable key does report, but that's all. > Yes, the term "scan code" is misleading when referring to what > Kermit terms a raw key code. It's not the make/break stuff but rather a > composite code representing the Bios result plus a look-aside at the > Bios's idea of what special keys were pressed *at the same time*. Nothing > is reported until a reportable key is pressed. (Overloading that reportable > word here, sorry). Maybe I should have used the term "key code" way back > when this material was first being designed. > You might notice that the Enter key can produce two different codes: > Carriage Return when pressed alone, and Line Feed when used as Control-Enter. > That's built into the Bios. Kermit's SET KEY facility lets one change these > results to be whatever, much as we flip the BackSpace key between sending BS > and DEL for different operating systems. > Joe D. > Thanks. But are there any utility programs that can force a scan code to be produced by one of these keys? Since IBM's CM/2 and other 3270 packages allow you to set right control key to enter, I would think that a utility program could be devised to do the same thing and allow Kermit to think that it (right control) has a code too. ===================================================================== Mark T. Regan Internet: reganm@coil.com Network Specialist City: Reynoldsburg CTO1 USNR-R (1969-1991) State: Ohio From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 19 19:58:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20076 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:47:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:47:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.internetMCI.com!news-admin From: "Daniel S. Larsen" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit - Polygon and lotus spread sheets Date: 19 Nov 1995 19:58:17 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Lines: 12 Message-Id: <48o28p$oas@news.internetmci.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1-dialup23.kansascity.mci.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem! What is the trick to kermit using polygon files from a pathworks server to my hard drive. It mlooks like it is loosing characters - the file is smaller on the C drive. Lotus doesn't like the file (invalid file type). I think it has to do with control characters or something?? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 19:14:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:44:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA00897 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:44:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!ndata From: ndata@netcom.com (TechTel) Subject: C-Kermit and ZModem Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 19:14:04 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: ndata@netcom23.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to telnet to a BBS and upload/download from a SunOS system. I noticed that "kermit" had the capibility to open telnet sessions. I need to use ZModem or YModem-G though. Somebody told me that there are versions of kermit with sz/rz support....is this true? If so, could somebody point me in the direction of getting it? :) Or, if somebody knows of anyother program (which will run on SunOS) and provide the function I need, I would also be very greatfull.... Thanks ndata@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 19 13:16:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:25:34 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA01551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:25:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!rcp6.elan.af.mil!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit problems Message-Id: <1995Nov19.191657.67286@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 95 19:16:57 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , lakewood@mv.mv.com (Lakewood Corporation) writes: > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has experienced either of the following > messages: > > "?No room for Take file buffer or Macro Definition" > > - when downloading a file using a macro. > > "?Word "^@^@^@^@" is not usable here" > > - I get when disconnecting (alt-x) from a tcp/ip connection with > a unix host. When I try to quit, I get the following message: > > "Memory Allocation Error" > "Cannot Load Command" > "System Halted" > > I am running Dos kermit 3.13. Is there a newer version? Is there > a faq that discusses these issues? ---------- It does appear that your machine ran out of memory and it has memory managment difficulties. We discuss some of the common pitfalls of memory management in the MSK release notes, but obviously we cannot cover everything which can happen in this area. There is a newer edition of MSK, version 3.14, which you may find on the permanent Kermit distribution point of kermit.columbia.edu. Once there cd to kermit/msdos, get the binary file msvibm.zip which is the quick-start kit. Please try that first, and if the problem persists then tell us what you did when the error occurred. As much context as possible is useful. Joe D. ading @ and ) > characters I omitted the \Freplace altogether and changed the output to: > > output {\%p\13} > > If you're still reading, you've probably predicted that the above fails > when \%p begins with }. > > I'm hoping that someone can tell me I'm being doltish and the solution is > to simply . > -- > > Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca > Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA > Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 ---------- Mike, I'm embarassed. This kind of problem is inherent when text substitution occurs. The strings we see above are processed and reprocessed with substitution material and each time the parser sees the results. Thus "overloading" characters does cause difficulties as you have demonstrated. The way around them is typically to use the \number rendition of characters which are special to Kermit's command line syntax. \number material is converted by the OUTPUT command and normally is left intact during command parsing before that. The reason for embarassement is mainly that we haven't explained the subtleties of Kermit command syntax in ways that are easily understood. A supplementary reason is we ought to do a better job in the parser avoiding some, not all but some, of these situations. Believe me, substitution in the command parser is sophisticated to the point where the author (me) has to take time out to study up on how it works under some conditions. But in any case MSK's command syntax is stil far easier to deal with than Perl pgms. In the cases at hand, the leading @name item is documented and has been present for years. The example of out {\%p\13} is easily cured by omitting the curly braces shown above, and then the closing curly brace in \%p is treated as ordinary text (because there is no opening curly brace to trigger a search for a closing one). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 20 10:00:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:00:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA03396 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:00:35 -0500 From: taylorm@dcas.com (James T Musslewhite) Organization: LDS iAmerica Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!vyzynz!news1.cris.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!xpat.postech.ac.kr!cyberspam!usenet Message-Id: Control: cancel <48os9j$i5b@ns3.iamerica.net> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Cancelled-By: jem@pal.postech.ac.kr Subject: cmsg cancel <48os9j$i5b@ns3.iamerica.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:26:03 KST Approved: y Lines: 2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu SPAM cancelled by jem@pal.postech.ac.kr From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 19 23:12:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 03:33:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA12138 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 03:33:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!news.Edu.TW!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!comet.np.ac.sg!93302179 From: Kung YiJi <93302179@comet.np.ac.sg> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Menu-Driven PhoneBook-Manager for Kermit? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:12:43 +0800 Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nntp-Posting-User: 93302179 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I would like to know if there are any menu-driven "phonebook manger" type of kermit script/software/shareware/freeware on the net/market? If there are, could anyone please direct me to where I can find them. Thank you, kung. 93302179@np.ac.sg --- isons on the different protocols. Thanks, David Maw maw@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 05:21:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:46:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA27004 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:46:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.sys.pdp11 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!io.org!innuendo.tlug.org!telly!lethe!exorcist!pkelly From: pkelly@ETS.net (Peter Kelly) Subject: Kermit for rt11 on pdp11-23 ???? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] Lines: 10 Organization: ETS.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:21:34 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4156 alt.sys.pdp11:387 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. I need a kermit binary / package that will run on a pdp11-23 running rt11 . Can anyone in this small world help ??? Thanks in advance. Please let me know via mail -- Peter Kelly -- -- - - - - - - - - -- -- <pkelly@ets.net> -- -- - my homepage! - -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 13:46:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:46:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA03158 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:46:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Menu-Driven PhoneBook-Manager for Kermit? Date: 21 Nov 1995 13:46:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <48sl87$32k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kung YiJi <93302179@comet.np.ac.sg> wrote: > Hello, I would like to know if there are any menu-driven >"phonebook manger" type of kermit script/software/shareware/freeware >on the net/market? If there are, could anyone please direct me to where I >can find them. > Kermit 95 for Windows 95 and Windows NT comes equipped with a graphical Dialer that manages a database of all your connections, including all the relevant settings for each one, and makes your Telnet and dialup connections for you. Further information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 13:49:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:49:17 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA03189 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:49:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: Re: Kermit for rt11 on pdp11-23 ???? Date: 21 Nov 1995 13:49:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <48slcn$33j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4158 alt.sys.pdp11:388 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Peter Kelly wrote: >I need a kermit binary / package that will run on a pdp11-23 running >rt11 . Can anyone in this small world help ??? > Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, files krt*.* (text). There are also binaries in kermit/bin/krt*.*. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 20 04:46:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:03:17 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA10880 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:03:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Message-Id: <1995Nov20.104603.67333@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 95 10:46:03 MDT References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu>, ang@math.rutgers.edu (Alexander Ng) writes: > My question is relatively naive, but here goes. > > How can I profitably use Tektronix emulation mode on MS-DOS > Kermit? I got a copy of the program at my university and use it on my > 386SX with 6MB RAM. My modem is 9600bps. I found the VT100 emulation > incredibly robust. In reading through the documentation, I discovered > that graphics terminal emulation is available with Tek4010 mode. FWIW, the reason I like Tek mode is that the protocol is so simple I can easily keep it in my head. On those rare occasions I need a graph, I can whip out a Tek graph quickly and easily. I've used it for things like displaying the interrupt latency of a machine and finding where a particular trace on a PCB I'm trying to debug goes. In addition to Kermit's Tek mode, I also use xterm's Tek mode (it can generate a postscript plot from a Tek screen) and a couple of real Tek terminals I've pcked up from the local university's surplus equipment disposal programs (I have a Tek 4006 and a Tek 4105, but I don't know how to do anything with the 4105 beyond 4010 mode; I don't have a 4105 manual). -- -------------------------+--------------------------------------------- Roger Ivie | "Once again we see that clowning and anarchy ivie@cc.usu.edu | don't mix." -- The Tick http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ | From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 21:17:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:18:14 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA16842 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:18:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Date: 21 Nov 1995 21:17:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <48tfm7$ge6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> <1995Nov20.104603.67333@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov20.104603.67333@cc.usu.edu>, Roger Ivie wrote: : FWIW, the reason I like Tek mode is that the protocol is so simple I can : easily keep it in my head. On those rare occasions I need a graph, I can : whip out a Tek graph quickly and easily. I've used it for things like : displaying the interrupt latency of a machine and finding where a : particular trace on a PCB I'm trying to debug goes. In addition to : Kermit's Tek mode, I also use xterm's Tek mode (it can generate a : postscript plot from a Tek screen) ... : And with MS-DOS Kermit, you can dump Tek screens in TIFF format, suitable for import into your favorite graphics package or converter. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 17:14:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:14:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA18566 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:14:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!ppp-67-22.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit with Windows for Workgroups Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:30:54 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp-67-22.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I am trying to set up Kermit to use TCP on a machine running Windows for Workgroups. W4Wg does _not_ have the TCP stack installed so I am not violating Doupnik's Law. :-) I am using ODI drivers, ODIPKT and WINPKT. When Kermit is invoked, it does a bootp request and fails. The system works fine if I leave Windows and do a "net stop". This is a end user machine, so this is not a viable solution. Also, it is theoretically possible to run W4Wg TCP and Kermit TCP along side of each other by using different IP addresses. If someone could give me full details on this, I would appreciate it. I am somewhat familiar with ODI setups but have never dealt with NDIS. Thanks, JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 03:46:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:07:10 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA22715 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:07:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!torn!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!blues.epas.utoronto.ca!ekoku From: Emmanuel Koku Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Turning Off Dialing Signals. Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:46:53 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Lines: 1 Message-Id: References: <9511210056.AA08366@sol.UVic.CA> Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9511210056.AA08366@sol.UVic.CA> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Melvin, Thanks for your advice. Cheers, Emmanuel From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 22 15:46:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:37:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA07494 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:37:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.netvoyage.net!culver_pm1_20.netvoyage.net!user From: kcambra@netvoyage.net (Keith J. Cambra) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: minor "shell"? problem Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:46:17 -0800 Organization: Netvoyage Internet Access Provider Lines: 15 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: culver_pm1_20.netvoyage.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu this is a stupid question but i don't use dos much. when i go to what i gather is a dos-shell from kermit i am not able to switch to another directory. how can i fix this. has someone set some sort of security? keith ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Claris Emailer - "The Best Mail Program on Earth" ftp://ftp.claris.com/pub/USA-Macintosh/Trial_Software/ClarisEmailer1.0.hqx CIS GO CLARIS AOL Keyword Claris eWorld Shortcut Claris "Save Trees - Send Email" From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 22 15:07:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:38:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA09551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:37:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latin-1 characters Date: 22 Nov 1995 15:07:40 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 30 Message-Id: <48vebs$bes@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I posted the question below and I want to thank everyone who replied and share the answer in case anyone else has the same problem. > Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display > characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set? I've set the display to 8-bit > and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII > characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on > my screen. (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an > acute accent.) When I use the TYPE command to look at files > I've transfered with Kermit, I see the IBM graphics character for the > character number I expected (in the 128-256 range). I'm using the VT102 > emulation. ------------- > A VT102 terminal does not have Latin-1 capabilities, and it is > a 7-bit device. May I suggest you use the VT320 emulation which has it > all. Be sure to say SET DISPLAY 8-BIT to enable reception of all 8 bits. > Joe D. When I used the VT320 emulation I got the display I wanted. There is one trick I had to use which I'll mention even though it might be specific to my computer (Zenith-158) or programs (MS-DOS 3.1 and Kermit 3.0). If I set Kermit to VT320 before I put it into terminal mode for the first time (that is, before I have given a CONNECT or REPLAY command), I see the 8-bit characters when I do put it in terminal mode even if I later change the emulation setting to VT102. If Kermit is set to VT102 the first time I use CONNECT or REPLAY, I see only 7-bit characters even if I later change the emulation setting to VT320. David Stow From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 24 09:52:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:25:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29599 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:25:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Running kermit and getting errors - need help please Date: 24 Nov 1995 09:52:57 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <4944lp$gqv@newslink.runet.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rucs2-gw.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I am running kermit - I try to transfer files from my account to my personal machine. Kermit is installed on both machines but I am not sure about versions. The problem is that wnen I try to receive a file I get an error I can not decipher. This is the procedure I go through: kermit #on my machine C-prompt> set line /dev/tty00 #(I wonder if I have to do this everytime I ran # the program) C-prompt> set speed 19200 C-prompt> connect atmds=0 # dial the number $ kermit -r #from my account CTRL-/ CTRL-c #suspend the kermit session At this point I try to run get and receive commands but get errors: C-Kermit>get na.2 IRE ?Unexpected packet type #????? C-Kermit>receive na.2 TNTNTNTN #?????? So what I am doing wrong and what should I be doing instead of these commands? I would appreciate any comments via email. Thank you for your time. ============================================================================== Ilya Beloozerov email: ibelooze@runet.edu talk, finger: ibelooze@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu PGP-encrypted email is accepted - finger for public keys. ======= Exercising my First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution rights. ======= From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 24 17:08:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:34:59 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29714 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:34:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!not-for-mail From: bayers@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Jim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95: xmit uuencoded file Date: 24 Nov 1995 09:08:02 -0800 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310-527-4279,818-756-0180,909-785-9712,714-638-4133,805-294-9338) Lines: 15 Message-Id: <494u5i$sue@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaiwan009.kaiwan.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm enjoying my copy of K95, but I'm having trouble transmitting a uuencoded file. Much of the uuencoded file is translated into different characters. I've read the manual and have tried setting both the command and terminal bytesize to 8. The parity is off and the character-set is set to transparent. The other communications programs I use can do this without any trouble. They use an 8-N-1 connection. Thanks in advance -- This is a test .sig From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 24 15:11:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:39:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:39:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!aimnet.com!netserv.com!pagesat.net!sloth.swcp.com!helios From: helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: minor "shell"? problem Date: 24 Nov 1995 15:11:39 GMT Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems Lines: 15 Message-Id: <494nbc$jgo@sloth.swcp.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: kitsune.swcp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keith J. Cambra (kcambra@netvoyage.net) wrote: : when i go to what i gather is a dos-shell from kermit : i am not able to switch to another directory. In MS-Kermit 3.14, you get to the dos-shell by typing "push" at the Kermit command prompt. You can then change directories. Type "exit" to return to Kermit. Kermit passes a few dos commands such as "dir" to dos without requiring you to switch to the shell - maybe that made you think you had the full shell capabilities. -- Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting helios@swcp.com http://www.swcp.com/~helios From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 24 18:16:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:17:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01002 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:17:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: xmit uuencoded file Date: 24 Nov 1995 18:16:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <49526p$v8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <494u5i$sue@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <494u5i$sue@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>, Jim wrote: >I'm enjoying my copy of K95, but I'm having trouble transmitting >a uuencoded file. > >Much of the uuencoded file is translated into different characters. > >I've read the manual and have tried setting both the command and >terminal bytesize to 8. The parity is off and the character-set is >set to transparent. > >The other communications programs I use can do this without any >trouble. They use an 8-N-1 connection. > Kermit 95 also uses an 8-N-1 connection by default. The terminal bytesize is 8 by default, but that has no bearing on file transfer. Kermit 95's default file transmission mode is BINARY. A uuencoded file is a text file composed of only 7-bit ASCII characters. When TRANSMIT'ing or SEND'ing a text file, you should first SET FILE TYPE TEXT. Also, since TRANSMIT is not an error-checked form of file transfer, make sure you have an adequate means of flow control. Buffer overruns could account for the garbled characters. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 05:17:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:41:23 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24096 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:41:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!usenet From: jfh@acm.org (Jack Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 05:17:29 GMT Organization: kd6ttl Lines: 16 Message-Id: <30b6a51a.214099132@165.113.1.21> References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> <48ib1p$1b8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl13.crl.com Summary: Copyright 1995 by Jack Hamilton X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In message <48ib1p$1b8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >Major serious host-based applications like SAS/Graph come with full >support not only for Tektronix graphics, but for Kermit's specific mix of >Tektronix 4014, Sixel, and ANSI, to produce stunning full-color graphics >like the ones shown in the screen shots. Although you can use SAS/GRAPH with Kermit, you can't use SAS/INSIGHT or other interactive procedures. I think this is unfortunate, given the cost and speed (or lack thereof) of X emulators, but SAS Tech Support told me earlier this year that there are no plans to support interactive graphics with Kermit. --------------------------- Jack Hamilton jfh@acm.org From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 02:37:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 01:15:07 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA24525 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 01:15:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news.rmii.com!thoth.nilenet.com!ra.nilenet.com!gweisz From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "modem passes break transparently"--function? Date: 25 Nov 1995 02:37:20 GMT Organization: NileNet, Ltd Lines: 16 Message-Id: <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.nilenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu in the modem initialization script i got with mskermit 3.14, one item was explained in the accompanying comment by "modem passes break transparently". the same setting is described elsewhere as nondestructive/unexpedited (signalling?). what is this? and what does it do in kermit/communications processes? i couldn't find it in the index of Using MS-DOS Kermit i wonder if i should include it in the init strings for all comm programs in the future? thanks, gideon gideon weisz oercb [boulder, colorado] From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 03:33:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 13:19:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA25281 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 12:55:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "modem passes break transparently"--function? Message-Id: <1995Nov25.093334.67695@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Nov 95 09:33:34 MDT References: <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com>, gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) writes: > in the modem initialization script i got with mskermit 3.14, > one item was explained in the accompanying comment by > "modem passes break transparently". the same setting is described > elsewhere as nondestructive/unexpedited (signalling?). > > what is this? > and what does it do in kermit/communications processes? > > i couldn't find it in the index of Using MS-DOS Kermit > i wonder if i should include it in the init strings for all comm programs > in the future? > thanks, > gideon > > gideon weisz oercb > [boulder, colorado] --------- BREAK is a serial communications line term meaning an illegal character of a particular kind, used to signal the other end that attention is needed. A stylized BREAK is also provided in Telnet. BREAK can be used with some remote hosts, but not all, and not all communications equipment senses it. In short, it's normally not needed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 19:02:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:35:39 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02643 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:35:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!vyzynz!news1.cris.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!news.uh.edu!violet!pth61267 From: pth61267@violet.egr.uh.edu (Phu T Hoang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dump Screen Date: 25 Nov 1995 19:02:37 GMT Organization: University of Houston Lines: 3 Message-Id: <497p8d$nlk@masala.cc.uh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: violet.egr.uh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can i use option Dump Screen on my ms-kermit(3.14) ??? The option Ctrl-End never work for me, don't know why. Thanks guys. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 08:54:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:38:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05019 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:38:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dump Screen Message-Id: <1995Nov25.145424.67713@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Nov 95 14:54:24 MDT References: <497p8d$nlk@masala.cc.uh.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <497p8d$nlk@masala.cc.uh.edu>, pth61267@violet.egr.uh.edu (Phu T Hoang) writes: > How can i use option Dump Screen on my ms-kermit(3.14) ??? > The option Ctrl-End never work for me, don't know why. > Thanks guys. --------- It works fine. Recall that "End" means the white key on the numeric keypad, not the grey key on the special cursor area which is absent on 88-key keyboards. You can also use SHOW KEY to see if you have modified the default key definition. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 02:05:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:43:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA12323 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:43:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.rmii.com!thoth.nilenet.com!ra.nilenet.com!gweisz From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "modem passes break transparently"--function? Date: 26 Nov 1995 02:05:53 GMT Organization: NileNet, Ltd Lines: 37 Message-Id: <498i21$8eb@thoth.nilenet.com> References: <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com> <1995Nov25.093334.67695@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.nilenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: THE ORIGINAL QUESTION DELETED : --------- : BREAK is a serial communications line term meaning an illegal : character of a particular kind, used to signal the other end that attention : is needed. A stylized BREAK is also provided in Telnet. BREAK can be used : with some remote hosts, but not all, and not all communications equipment : senses it. In short, it's normally not needed. : Joe D. But, Joe, in that case the question is still unanswered: why, in the modem script that i have, that came with msk3.14, is the choice made, that instead of the factory default, one should ask for "nondestructive/unexpedited" and the comment in the script was "modem passes break transparently". why is this preferable here, and would it not be preferable in other settings? The fact that "break" is normally not needed doesn't explain why the mskermit package prefers a setting that is not the default (in a Sportster, in this case, by the way, but that doesn't seem relevant) I believe that my entire question remains unanswered, and I would really like to understand it. (eg, what's expedited, what's unexpedited, what's the advantage of transparency versus nontransparency?, and in view of those answers, why prefer the particular non-default setting?) I hope this doesn't come across as too sticky. It seems like an interesting question, and I sure would like to know a little about what I'm doing in making a particular choice. I assume the original recommendation in the kermit package had some important rationale, and I would like to understand it. Thanks, and sorry to be so windy, Gideon From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 17:00:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:01:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA17787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:00:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sixel graphics Date: 26 Nov 1995 12:00:11 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 6 Message-Id: <49a6er$lr5@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Other than SAS, are there any applications out there (say, in the Unix world) which use Kermit's Sixel graphics features? marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 05:46:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:23:26 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA22799 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:23:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!simtel!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sixel graphics Message-Id: <1995Nov26.114622.67753@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Nov 95 11:46:22 MDT References: <49a6er$lr5@panix.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49a6er$lr5@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: > Other than SAS, are there any applications out there (say, in the Unix world) > which use Kermit's Sixel graphics features? > > marshall > -- > [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] --------- WordPerfect for VMS and for Unix systems, by design. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 15:11:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:41:34 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA27383 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:41:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!io.org!hub.org!innuendo.tlug.org!telly!lethe!exorcist!pkelly From: pkelly@ETS.net (Peter Kelly) Subject: kermit telnet on WFWG?? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] Lines: 31 Organization: ETS.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 15:11:07 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need some help. What I am trying to accomplish is : use kermit 'telnet' with vt320 over an existing TCP/IP network. The configuration is this : I have WFWG 3.11 installed on a machine and I am running TCP/IP as the protocol. The network interface is a NE2000 from artisoft. All works fine there. What I need to do though is telnet to a UNIX server that has a dedicated serial connection to a VAX. So, I figure, all I need to do is telnet in and 'cu' to the serial port and wamo - I am at the VAX prompt. Well all this does work - BUT I need proper keymapping for the VAX. I have tried remapping keys with other telnet programs - all failed to work right. Every one says kermit will work properly for this - but I need to keep the existing TCP/IP stack in place too - so that is how I found you. Can anyone help with this config?? Anything would be appreciated - I am despirate! Thanks, Peter Kelly -- -- - - - - - - - - -- -- <pkelly@ets.net> -- -- - my homepage! - -- -- - #include - -- -- -- - - - - - - - - -- -- <pkelly@ets.net> -- -- - My Homepage! - -- From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 20:54:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 18:22:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00788 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 18:21:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.zeos,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.setup,comp.os.os2.multimedia,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: speeding up Kermit transfers (was Re: Help on File Trasnfer) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 26 Nov 1995 15:54:05 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 34 Expires: 24 Jan 1996 22:11:33 GMT Message-Id: <49ak5dINNaej@duncan.cs.utk.edu> References: <48nmfd$qd4@dobie.loop.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu Summary: speeding up Kermit transfers Keywords: Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000:62080 alt.sys.pc-clone.micron:11971 alt.sys.pc-clone.zeos:4566 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:6687 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup:30607 comp.os.ms-windows.setup:38740 comp.os.os2.multimedia:20323 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4178 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article (a too-widely-cross-posted article, many groups removed for this followup), Fred Leung "Hong Kong Society for the Blind" writes: | | Hi everyone, | | I find it difficult for me to upload binary files from my PC to the IBM | RISC6000 using Zmodem. It is perfectly ok doing it another way round. | It is also ok to upload ASCII files. My next option in such a case has | been to use Kermit instead of Zmodem; however, the baud rate would be | unreasonably slow - 100+ BPS. My modem is 14.4k and that of the RISC6000 | is 9.6k. How to increase the speed, or better still, how to use Zmodem | to achieve the transfer, please? | | Fred | fleung@hkbu.edu.hk In the world of serial communications, this is one of the all-time most Frequently Asked Questions. Alas, this question has received many poor answers. Most novice computer users don't understand how many factors make a difference in successful communication. A full discussion of the problem is too large for this space. For the official Columbia University Kermit advice, point your World Wide Web browser at this URL: http://www.cc.columbia.edu/kermit/faq-c-zmo.html#faq-c-zmo -- ...Richard S. Shuford | "The first to present his case seems right, ...shuford@cs.utk.edu | till another comes forward and questions him." ...Info-Stratus contact| Proverbs 18:17 NIV From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 10:21:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:26:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA06817 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:26:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit telnet on WFWG?? Message-Id: <1995Nov26.162130.67758@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Nov 95 16:21:30 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , pkelly@ETS.net (Peter Kelly) writes: > I need some help. > > What I am trying to accomplish is : use kermit 'telnet' with vt320 over > an existing TCP/IP network. > > The configuration is this : I have WFWG 3.11 installed on a machine and > I am running TCP/IP as the protocol. The network interface is a NE2000 > from artisoft. All works fine there. > > What I need to do though is telnet to a UNIX server that has a dedicated > serial connection to a VAX. So, I figure, all I need to do is telnet in > and 'cu' to the serial port and wamo - I am at the VAX prompt. Well all > this does work - BUT I need proper keymapping for the VAX. I have tried > remapping keys with other telnet programs - all failed to work right. Every > one says kermit will work properly for this - but I need to keep the > existing TCP/IP stack in place too - so that is how I found you. ----------- We discuss these situations in the Kermit release notes. To give only the bottom line here: one may not run two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time. Let's assume that you have avoided this pit-fall and Kermit successfully connects to your Unix machine. CU is a pretty horrid piece of software and it is unrelated to Kermit. May I recommend using CKermit on the Unix machine and then matters will progress better. The reason is you need data transparency on the Unix machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 27 14:10:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:10:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA09397 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:10:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "modem passes break transparently"--function? Date: 27 Nov 1995 14:10:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <49cgsm$95j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com> <1995Nov25.093334.67695@cc.usu.edu> <498i21$8eb@thoth.nilenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <498i21$8eb@thoth.nilenet.com>, Gideon Weisz wrote: : why, in the modem script that i have, that came with msk3.14, is the : choice made, that instead of the factory default, one should ask for : "nondestructive/unexpedited" and the comment in the script was "modem : passes break transparently". why is this preferable here, and would it : not be preferable in other settings? : Many computers and services do, in fact, need the terminal or terminal emulator to send the Break signal in order to get their attention. If the modem is not configured in this way, it will absorb or act on the the Break itself, rather than passing it on to the host. One example of such a host is the IBM mainframe, with which communication is half-duplex (two-way alternate). The only way to get its attention when you do not have permission to transmit is to cause an error -- this is done by sending a Break. The error causes an interrupt on the mainframe side, allowing the application to be interrupted, turn the line around, or similar action. Another example is the time-honored "baud-rate" recognition method used by UNIX. These and other uses of the Break signal are described in detail in the Kermit books. The reason modems have settings concerning how to handle Break is mostly a consequence of the Hayes patent on the "guard time" around the modem's escape sequence. When modem manufacturers stopped incorporating guard time, they needed to provide a "safe" way of escaping back to the modem's command processor without dropping the connection, and most of them made Break (or Long Break) a way to do this -- but of course, that would prevent you from sending Break to the host. Thus the setting. The nice thing about Kermit's dialing scripts is that anybody can change them if they don't do exactly what you want them to. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 27 14:13:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:13:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA09473 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:13:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sixel graphics Date: 27 Nov 1995 14:13:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <49ch2l$97u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49a6er$lr5@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49a6er$lr5@panix.com>, Marshall G. Flax wrote: > Other than SAS, are there any applications out there (say, in the Unix > world) which use Kermit's Sixel graphics features? > In addition to SAS and host-based WordPerfect, you can also use Kermit's Sixel display with any other application that has a Sixel driver. One example would be the Ghostscript PostScript viewer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 28 06:18:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 06:45:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA28735 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 06:45:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 and Caps Lock Date: 28 Nov 1995 14:18:56 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 9 Message-Id: <49e9kg$39@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I have the Caps Lock turned on (standard 101 keyboard) Kermit 95 seems to shift the entire keyboard. Even doing a show key at the Kermit prompt and pressing '1' results in a '!'. Is this an oversight on Kermit's part or am I missing something? -- Clive Mitchell Oz Air Warrior cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au PID 5029 "Mad Dog" From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 28 13:43:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:43:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA10094 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:43:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 and Caps Lock Date: 28 Nov 1995 13:43:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <49f3le$9rc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49e9kg$39@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49e9kg$39@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, Clive Mitchell wrote: >When I have the Caps Lock turned on (standard 101 keyboard) Kermit >95 seems to shift the entire keyboard. Even doing a show key at >the Kermit prompt and pressing '1' results in a '!'. Is this an >oversight on Kermit's part or am I missing something? > Neither. It's a bug in Windows 95. The Windows APIs that read the keyboard at the level at which Kermit reads it (in order to get scan codes) actually return these values. The same EXE file, when run on Windows NT, gets proper key values -- that is, Caps Lock is Caps Lock, not Shift Lock, in NT. The only way to fix this in Kermit is to change it from a Console application to full GUI application, which allows us to use a different set of APIs, which are better supported by Microsoft. We are working on that now, for this and other reasons. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 27 14:56:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:07:08 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA21778 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:07:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!news.bahnhof.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.seinf.abb.se!erinews.ericsson.se!cnn.exu.ericsson.se!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Message-Id: <1995Nov27.205628.67956@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Nov 95 20:56:28 MDT References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, fahn@arcata.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn) writes: > I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem > with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. > Then I quit kermit. Then I try to use Kermit again and it doesn't > work -- it doesn't communicate with the modem. In fact, after I use > kermit once, I cannot use *any* modem software at all. The computer > does not communicate with the modem properly after the first use > of kermit. ----------- It could be the modem is peculiar (lots are these days) or more likely that another object in Win95 thinks it owns that serial port. Some work with the Control Panel and Win95 in general is suggested. Don't forget to check for IRQ and i/o port conflicts, despite what Plug and Play blurbs say. Kermit is going through the Win95 serial port handler and the symptoms you report suggest the problem is somewhere in the Win95 material. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 28 00:56:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:52:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA28205 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:52:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.stanford.edu!fahn From: fahn@arcata.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 28 Nov 1995 00:56:10 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: fahn@arcata.stanford.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: arcata.stanford.edu Originator: fahn@nntp.stanford.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. Then I quit kermit. Then I try to use Kermit again and it doesn't work -- it doesn't communicate with the modem. In fact, after I use kermit once, I cannot use *any* modem software at all. The computer does not communicate with the modem properly after the first use of kermit. Any ideas? Paul From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 28 05:02:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:38:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06656 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:38:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:02:36 EST From: "H. D. Knoble" Message-Id: <95332.100236HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, fahn@arcata.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn) says: >I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem >with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. >Then I quit kermit. Then I try to use Kermit again and it doesn't >work -- it doesn't communicate with the modem. In fact, after I use >kermit once, I cannot use *any* modem software at all. The computer >does not communicate with the modem properly after the first use >of kermit. >Any ideas? This may not have anything to do with Windows 95. When MS-Kermit exits it does not drop the phone connection (a very nice feature which allows MS-Kermit to be used as a dialer for TCP/IP services). That is, are you sure the modem is hung up? Using only the MS-Kermit hangup subcommand is dependent on the modem's DTR setting. Suggest you make certain the modem is hung up by: 1) Logging off your host computer normally. This may or may not render a modem NO CARRIER message. If it does, you're done. If not, go to Step 2. 2) While still at the MS-Kermit host screen, issue the modem escape sequence (default is +++, ASCII 43 in modem register 2). After typing this 3-character escape sequence from the host screen, you should see the response OK; now issue ATH (modem hangup). Then try using COM port again. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 02:36:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 00:14:26 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14685 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 00:14:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!psdcomms.psd.com.au!stuart From: stuart@psd.com.au (Stuart Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 02:36:58 GMT Organization: Prometheus Software Lines: 15 Message-Id: <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm370 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Paul Fahn (fahn@arcata.stanford.edu) wrote: : I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem : with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. (etc...) Actually this is related to a question I was going to ask.. And that is.. is there a win95-specific version of Kermit either available or being developed? (or even a windows-specific version.. rather than just a msdos version that happens to run under windows) -- Stuart Park Melbourne, Australia Senior Analyst/Programmer E-mail: stuart@psd.com.au Prometheus Software From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 14:01:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:01:33 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA10135 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:01:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 14:01:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au>, Stuart Park wrote: : Paul Fahn (fahn@arcata.stanford.edu) wrote: : : I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem : : with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. : (etc...) : : Actually this is related to a question I was going to ask.. : And that is.. is there a win95-specific version of Kermit either : available or being developed? (or even a windows-specific version.. : rather than just a msdos version that happens to run under windows) : Indeed there is a Windows 95 version -- Kermit 95. Developed specifically for Windows 95, it is a fully native, 32-bit, multithread serial communications program and Winsock Telnet client with VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI terminal emulation and all the features you would expect in Kermit software, plus more than a few you would not expect. Full info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 11:25:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:38:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA22417 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:38:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!cs.tu-berlin.de!jvjena From: jvjena@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joachim von-Jena) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with K95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 11:25:57 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 103 Message-Id: <49hg05$c6s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: hombre.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have several problems with the brand new Kermit 95. I bought Kermit 95 from the Kermit Distribution and have updated to ver. 1.1.1. I use Kermit 95 on a system with Windows NT 3.51 SP2: Hardware: Mainbord: ASUS PVI-486SP3 BIOS 0207, 486DX, 32MB RAM, Hostadapter: Adaptec 2940 SCSI harddisks: IBM DPES 31080S and Quantum LP270S Graphic card: Mach 64 Turbo VLB Serial communication: On-board SMC37C665GT Multi-I/O chip on COM2 Modem: ATT DATAport 2001. My K95CUSTOM.INI contains the lines: set modem type att-dataport set port com2 set speed 57600 set dial method Tone set dial country-code 49 set dial area-code 30 set dial ld-prefix 0 set dial intl-prefix 00 set dial init-string AAATQ0E1X6L0&Q0S78=1S84=0\13 set dial timeout 30 set priority regular set protocol zmodem set file download-directory D:\DATA\JVJ\DOWN set key \1379 \3 set key \2402 \124 set key \2404 \60 set key \2406 \62 define dialin - :loop, dial \%1, - xif fail { echo Pausing ..., sleep 10, goto loop }, - connect I have problems with my ISP (TU Berlin) in times of heavy load of their network. I get interruptions at downloading with ZModem with errors as CRC32 error and subpacket-length error. Often I have to interrupt myself the download by a hang-up (see below) I assume it is a problem of flow-control. The documentation for Windows Nt says (README.WRI): "25.5 Running Serial Communications Applications: For reliable data transfer at the highest baud rate, use communications protocols that support end-to-end flow control. Serial flow control protocol Flow control ... ZMODEM *) No *) Some applications allow flow control with ZMODEM. For example, you can enable flow control with Procomm Plus 2 by setting the Transmit Method to 4K WINDOW." Is there a way to set a packet-length/window size in Kermit 95? Is there a way to resume a download of a file at the point it was interupted with ZModem? Is this done automatically or by a special command? I have followed the advice to remap the Ctrl-C key code (see my K95CUSTOM.INI) but Ctrl-C doesn't work as well on a remapped key (but the remapped <, >,| keys work). (Perhaps you wonder why to remap <,>,|. I use a MF101 keyboard with german key mapping. These characters are on the lacking 102th key of a german standard MF102 keyboard between the left Shift-key and the Z-key. So I normally have no <,>,| keys at all) . So I have to hang-up if a download with ZModem is impossible! What about an error that I get on every dial timeout: The message I get from Dr. Watson for Windows NT : An application error has occurred and an application error is being generated: K95.exe Exception: access violation (0xc0000005), Address 0x00026a3f Kermit 95 gives the message: Dial Failure: No Carrier Dial Failure: Your reactions are highly appreciated. Joachim von Jena email jvjena@cs.tu-berlin.de From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 22:10:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:10:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA28000 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:10:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with K95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 22:10:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 112 Message-Id: <49ilnu$rad@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49hg05$c6s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49hg05$c6s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, Joachim von-Jena wrote: : I have several problems with the brand new Kermit 95 [1.1.1]. : ... : My K95CUSTOM.INI contains the lines: : : set modem type att-dataport : set port com2 : set speed 57600 : set dial method Tone : set dial country-code 49 : set dial area-code 30 : set dial ld-prefix 0 : set dial intl-prefix 00 : set dial init-string AAATQ0E1X6L0&Q0S78=1S84=0\13 : set dial timeout 30 : set priority regular : set protocol zmodem : set file download-directory D:\DATA\JVJ\DOWN : set key \1379 \3 : set key \2402 \124 : set key \2404 \60 : set key \2406 \62 : define dialin - : :loop, dial \%1, - : xif fail { echo Pausing ..., sleep 10, goto loop }, - : connect : You don't need a macro for this -- you can just SET DIAL RETRIES and DIAL INTERVAL -- providing Deutsche Telekom does not object :-) : I have problems with my ISP (TU Berlin) in times of heavy load of their : network. I get interruptions at downloading with ZModem with errors as : CRC32 error and subpacket-length error. Often I have to interrupt myself : the download by a hang-up (see below) I assume it is a problem of : flow-control. : And how is your connection with TU-Berlin? Do you dial into a terminal server and then make a telnet connection to a UNIX (or other) server? Or do you start PPP or SLIP service on the terminal server and then make a Telnet connection from K-95? In any case, these problems might be caused by either a buffer overrun (most likely when uploading) or a timeout (most likely when downloading). Maybe even by a malfunctioning terminal server that loses or scrambles data under conditions of extremely heavy load. Buffer overruns should be cured by local flow control between each modem and the device it is directly connected to -- in general this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control. : For reliable data transfer at the highest baud rate, use communications : protocols that support end-to-end flow control. : ZMODEM and Kermit both do that. At the K-95> prompt just do this: set protocol zmodem - or - set protocol kermit set window 1024 set window 20 Note: In ZMODEM, "window size" is more like "packet length", expressed as the number of bytes. In Kermit, "window size" is expressed as the number of packets. Another note: The Zmodem window size presently can not be set in the Dialer. : Is there a way to resume a download of a file at the point it was : interupted with ZModem? : Yes (but see below). : Is this done automatically or by a special command? : You must tell the file sender to resume. Depending on which ZMODEM software you are using, this might be a command-line option like "-r". The file receiver (Kermit 95) understands this and appends to the partial file rather than starting a new file. : I have followed the advice to remap the Ctrl-C key code (see my : K95CUSTOM.INI) but Ctrl-C doesn't work as well on a remapped key (but : the remapped <, >,| keys work). : Whose advice was that? Note that key mapping is effective only in the terminal screen, not the command screen. : So I have to hang-up if a download with ZModem is impossible! : You can interrupt a Zmodem transfer with Ctrl-C -- at least on a US keyboard. Kermit 95 returns to its prompt. The partially received file is kept, so the file transfer can be resumed. We don't have access to a German keyboard or driver here, so maybe you can help us by explaining why you felt that you had to remap Ctrl-C. In trying to reproduce the problems you are reporting, however, we discovered that the Zmodem recovery feature failed when a recovery was attempted in the same session where the original failure occurred. Thus, as you observed, if you leave Kermit 95 and start it up again, you can recover the download. This problem will be fixed in the second patch, which will be available soon, most likely within a week. : What about an error that I get on every dial timeout: : : The message I get from Dr. Watson for Windows NT : : An application error has occurred and an application error is being : generated: : Exception: access violation : This is very interesting. We can't reproduce it here on NT 3.50 using Kermit 95 1.1.1. Dial timeouts work perfectly here, even short ones like yours. Perhaps you could collect a debug log ("log debug" prior to dialing, which produces a file called debug.log) and then send it by email it to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 19:10:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:07:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA08371 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:07:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dgis.dtic.dla.mil!sc2c526a.ra.osd.mil!nova.sti.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Running C-Kermit as a Service Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:10:50 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to run C-Kermit on a socket in server mode to circumvent the overhead introduced by a login shell? I'm guessing this would increase file transfer performance. Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 15:19:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:53:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA08598 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:53:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!RacerX.mse.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!szgyula From: szgyula@tarkus.pha.jhu.edu (Gyula Szokoly) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 15:19:43 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore Lines: 21 Message-Id: <49htmf$bsp@news.jhu.edu> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.169 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Indeed there is a Windows 95 version -- Kermit 95. Developed specifically >for Windows 95, it is a fully native, 32-bit, multithread serial >communications program and Winsock Telnet client with VT320/220/102/100/52 >and ANSI terminal emulation and all the features you would expect in >Kermit software, plus more than a few you would not expect. Full info at: Well, all the features I would expect, but not all that I want: what about Tektronics graphics? Is there anything new on this topic (it's quite important for us). Has anybody seen Kermit-95 in retail stores? My 2cents, Gyula -- Gyula P. Szokoly (szgyula@skysrv.pha.jhu.edu) -------------------------------\ | When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according| |to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom| |because that is according to my principles. -- Frank Herbert| From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 07:05:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:07:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA11114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:06:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!news1.cris.com!news From: jamaican@cris.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what's the current version of Kermit Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:05:34 GMT Organization: CRIS Lines: 5 Message-Id: <49jl38$b85@spectator.cris.com> Reply-To: jamaican@cris.com Nntp-Posting-Host: crc6-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running an older version, what's the most current version of Kermit for DOS and OS2 available...? thanks From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 17:44:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:45:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20129 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:45:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:44:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <49kqir$jkp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <49htmf$bsp@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49htmf$bsp@news.jhu.edu>, Gyula Szokoly wrote: >In article <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: : >Indeed there is a Windows 95 version -- Kermit 95. Developed : >specifically for Windows 95, it is a fully native, 32-bit, multithread : >serial communications program and Winsock Telnet client with : >VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI terminal emulation and all the features : >you would expect in Kermit software, plus more than a few you would not : >expect. Full info at: : : Well, all the features I would expect, but not all that I want: what : about Tektronics graphics? Is there anything new on this topic (it's : quite important for us). : Kermit 95 does not do Tektronix emulation, but that is a high priority for us. Oddly enough, there was a recent posting to this group asking "what good is Tektronix emulation?" (in this age of Web browsers and GIF files). We'd be interested in hearing why Tek emulation is important at JHU, when the common wisdom seems to be that it is "obsolete". : Has anybody seen Kermit-95 in retail stores? : It has not made it into the chains yet. There is evidently a chicken- and-egg situation in which the stores must first be convinced there is a demand for it. Anybody who wants to help out with this is welcome to look at our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html for the contact info of the distributor, and then ask their local software retailer to contact the distributor for stock. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 17:49:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:49:19 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20352 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:49:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Running C-Kermit as a Service Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:49:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <49kqqk$jrs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >Is it possible to run C-Kermit on a socket in server mode to >circumvent the overhead introduced by a login shell? I'm guessing >this would increase file transfer performance. > Windows 95, Windows NT, OS/2: Yes. Other operating systems (UNIX, VMS, etc): Not yet. It's more difficult to implement this on multiuser operating systems, because of authentication and security issues. - Frank