IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG) REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE October 8th, 1992 Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items. For more information please contact the IESG Secretary. ATTENDEES --------- Almquist, Philip / Consultant Borman, David / Cray Research Crocker, Dave / TBO Crocker, Steve / TIS Coya, Steve / CNRI Gross, Philip / ANS Hinden, Robert / SUN Hobby, Russ /UC-Davis Huizer, Erik / SURFnet Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI Regrets Davin, Chuck / Bellcore Reynolds, Joyce / ISI Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet AGENDA ------ 1) Administivia o Approval of the Minutes o Next IESG Teleconference 2) Protocol Actions o Appletalk over PPP o String Representation of Distinguished Names o SNMP over Foo o Token Ring MIB o RIP Version 2 o RIP Version 2 MIB o RIP Protocol Analysis o Ident/ Ident MIB 4) Technical Management Issues o ROAD Activities o IESG Re-Organization o IESG Meeting Minutes o Working Group Tracking/Charters MINUTES -------- 1) Administrivia o Approval of the minutes The IESG discussed and approved the minutes for the meetings of the September 10, 14 and 21st. The minutes of October 1st were held for further review. Gross noted that the minutes do reflect the IESG meetings, but much of the work of the IESG occurs on the mailing list and is not recorded. An agenda item was added to discuss this. o Next Meeting The next IESG meeting was set for October 19th, 12-2 ET. Plans were tentatively made for a face to face meeting at Interop Wednesday, 28th for lunch at Interop. Those IESG members not in attendance would be linked by telephone. 2) Protocol Actions o PPP LCP for Appletalk The IAB raised a question on the references to the APPLE ASCII character set referenced in the document. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Contact the author of the PPP LCP and get a reference for the APPLE ASCII character set for the IAB. o SNMP over IPX, Appletalk, OSI The IAB has a question about whether there is a preference for UDP over other protocols where UDP may be present in a multi-protocol segment of the network. The general policy on this was published as RFC 1270. ACTION: Piscitello -- Communicate by reference the preference for running SNMP over UDP if UDP is present in the local networking environment. o String Representation of Distinguished Name A new document is ready for IESG consideration. Because the changes are numerous, a second last call should be issued. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a second last call for the Internet Draft "String Representation of Distinguished Names". o RIP Version 2 There was nothing to report. Efforts to conclude a review of RIP V2 are continuing. o IDENT During IESG review of the protocol, the identification of character sets and the naming of a default character set were discussed. It is an architectural principle articulated by the IAB that ASCII be the default character set in the Internet, and that a mechanism for identification of other character sets be present wherever a text field is specified. Changes were identified in the IDENT documents and a new version is expected. The IDENT MIB deals correctly with this issue but requires the assignment of OID's to the character sets named in the MIME registry. ACTION: S. Crocker -- Encourage Mike St. Johns to submit a new version of the IDENT protocol to the Internet Drafts directory. 3) Technical Management o Routing and Addressing A copy of the IESG plan for Routing and Addressing was posted as an Internet Draft. There has been some comment on the criterion as specified, in particular on the operational transition and security considerations. The IESG agreed to incorporate what little feedback has been received into a new version to be published as an Informational RFC. ACTION: Gross -- Send to Vaudreuil a list of changes to be made to the IESG Road document. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With the changes from Gross, edit the IESG ROAD Plan document and send it to the RFC Editor for publication. The IESG plans to meet and discuss the ROAD presentations during the week. A lunch meeting has been scheduled for Wednesday to prepare for the Open Plenary. The Open Plenary will be devoted to discussing the various ROAD proposals. The IESG also plans to meet Friday morning and possibly again in the afternoon with the IAB. ACTION: Gross -- Contact Braden and invite the IAB to join the IESG for lunch on the Friday of the November IETF meeting. o New IESG Members / Re-alignment of Areas. With the departure of Noel Chiappa and Susan Estrada and the increased work load in the Internet and Routing Areas, the IESG has begun the process of re-aligning Working Groups and Areas. The IESG discussed re-aligning the addressing work of the Internet Area into the Routing and the formation of a directorate to better coordinate the development of IP version 7 and a new routing architecture. The Internet Area will continue to be responsible for issues of IP over FOO, and network level multi-protocol interworking. The OSI protocols in the Internet are now mature enough to be coordinated directly in the relevant IESG area. The IESG discussed moving OSI applications in the Applications area, the OSI Operational groups to the Operational Requirements area, and network level groups to the Internet Area. Under this scheme the OSI Area Directors would move to other areas to foster the integration of OSI protocols into the general Internet Infrastructure. ACTION: All IESG -- Examine the Working Groups in your relevant area and make suggestions for the re-alignment of groups to foster better coordination. The IESG is still under-staffed and Phill Gross asked the IESG to submit recommendations for new Area Directors. To deal with the work load, the IESG agreed to form Area Directorates as soon as possible given the re-alignment of IESG areas. (ED Note: These names will not appear in the final minutes) o John Curran was nominated from UCL for Internet Area o Daniel Karrenberg for Internet Area o Stev Knowles for Internet o IESG Meeting Minutes After reviewing the IESG minutes, Phill Gross observed that the minutes do not accurately reflect the full deliberations of the IESG. In particular, many discussions begun at an IESG teleconference are concluded by email and are not recorded. After discussion, the IESG asked Vaudreuil to prepare an appendix for the minutes reflecting follow up-discussions up to the next IESG meeting. POSITION: IESG minutes should reflect IESG mailing list deliberations. o Working Group Charters IETF Working Group charters are not being well updated. The secretariat will begin a review of the charters and will work with Area Directors and Working Group chairman to re-write the charters in the new more trackable form. In particular, there are several working groups which claim to be piloting various protocols, but there are no deliverables. These groups should have a milestone to report on the progress of the pilot. 4) Working Group Actions. o OSI Upper-Layer Communications for Applications (skinstak) The charter as written is too broad and needs to be refined to address the specific types of protocols to be profiled for this treatment. The IESG is reluctant to charter a working group to define an general OSI profile but is willing to charter a group to profile OSI for Internet use. ACTION: Huizer -- Encourage the submission of a new charter for the skinstak group. Appendix - Action Items -------- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Contact the author of the PPP LCP and get a reference for the APPLE ASCII character set for the IAB. ACTION: Piscitello -- Communicate by reference the preference for running SNMP over UDP if UDP is present in the local networking environment. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a second last call for the Internet Draft "String Representation of Distinguished Names". ACTION: S. Crocker -- Encourage Mike St. Johns to submit a new version of the IDENT protocol to the Internet Drafts directory. ACTION: Gross -- Send to Vaudreuil a list of changes to be made to the IESG Road document. ACTION: Vaudreuil -- With the changes from Gross, edit the IESG ROAD Plan document and send it to the RFC Editor for publication. ACTION: Gross -- Contact Braden and invite the IAB to join the IESG for lunch on the Friday of the November IETF meeting. ACTION: All IESG -- Examine the Working Groups in your relevant area and make suggestions for the re-alignment of groups to foster better coordination. ACTION: Huizer -- Encourage the submission of a new charter for the skinstak group. Appendix - Positions Taken -------- POSITION: IESG minutes should reflect IESG mailing list deliberations. Appendix - Mailing List Follow up Discussion -------- o Re-alignment of the IESG Areas. The following new alignment was proposed for the OSI Area Working Groups. - MHS-DS (mhsds) => Applications - MIME-MHS Interworking (mimemhs) => Applications - Network OSI Operations (noop) => Operational Requirements - OSI Directory Services (osids) => Applications - X.400 Operations (x400ops) => Applications The following alignment was proposed for the Routing Area - IP over Large Public Data Networks (iplpdn) => Internet The following alignment was proposed for the Internet Area - IP Address Encapsulation (ipae) => Routing - P. Internet Protocol (pip) => Routing - TCP/UDP over CLNP-addressed Networks (tuba) => Routing